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Flint MI gave their kids brain damage to save money

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by The Internet, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. The Internet Member

    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/01/08/the-poisoning-of-the-children-of-flint-michigan

    I put Orac's comments on the excerpts in blue.
    I really hope people in Michigan are taking a careful look at how these bad decisions happened.
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  2. anon8109 Member

    This sounds criminal on the face of it.

    I hope it's investigated and if there was any recklessness that the people responsible get the justice they deserve.
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  3. The Internet Member

    This clusterfuck involved a lot of people (link to a timeline). So even if a few get nailed for negligence, we should consider that systemic factors influenced how people behaved during this crisis. That is the part I would like to know about because I see dysfunctional systems fucking with people's heads in lots of places. I would like for us to build better systems.

    I think you have to imagine this water problem happening in your own city get a sense of how awful this is.

    Imagine in April of 2014 your tap water has too much lead in it. Also E coli. Officials debate. The treatment plant adds some chemicals to fix the water but it's still not right. A judge rules not to switch back to the safe water. The state says not to worry, they are testing and the water is fine. But one year later your kid has lead poisoning. In fact 4% of the kids in your city have lead poisoning. Lead poisoning lowers IQ. This is not reversible, even after treatment to get the lead levels down.

    As a parent, would you not just completely freak out?
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  4. Random guy Member


    What the heck does a judge have to do with this? I mean, it's not like anyone want the water to be unsafe and have to sue over it? Good bloody Grief!
  5. The Wrong Guy Member

    Anonymous attacks US government over deadly Michigan health crisis in latest viral video

    Anonymous has come to the aid of a small city in the USA currently suffering a deadly health crisis after the amount of lead in its water supply reached "toxic" levels.

    Thousands of people are suffering from the effects of lead poisoning in the city of Flint, Michigan, and ten people have died from Legionnaire's disease.

    Blaming the government, and specifically Michigan governor Rick Snyder, an online hacker group calling itself IntelGroup announced the #OpFlint campaign.

    IntelGroup identifies itself as a faction of Anonymous , the larger online collective responsible for targeting ISIS in the wake of the Paris terror attacks .

    The group released another chilling video this week in which it calls for governor Snyder to be charged with "voluntary or involuntary" manslaughter.

    Continued here:
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/techno...nymous-attacks-government-over-deadly-7222180
  6. The Internet Member

    I don't see how "Anonymous" can help this tragic situation in Flint. Calling for people to be punished, that is already happening. But what we really need is an understanding of how the information checks and balances failed the people of Flint. That will take time to sort.

    Cranking up the hysteria can be harmful to people who are worried about their health. The last thing Flint needs is a bunch of Volunteer Ministers and the like flocking in to promote quack "detox."
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  7. Hedorah Global Moderator

    She needs a medal


    http://mashable.com/2016/01/20/meet-the-erin-brockovich-of-flint/#wy1l4rJ6tPqX

    Info about gov emails on the matter

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/health/flint-water-crisis/
  8. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/flint-michigan-lead-water-crisis.html?_r=0
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  9. The Internet Member

    This part is key:
    Just to recap, the water from the Flint plant was probably safe enough right out of the plant. But when that water passed through old pipes with lead solder joints, it caused small amounts of corrosion which leached lead into the water. With the pipes as the source, the lead levels would understandably vary quite a bit around the city.

    So people got conflicting info about the lead. Some testing showed things were fine. Other testing showed a problem. Thus anyone motivated to minimize concern could cherry pick dox to fit that point of view, and vice-versa.

    Moral of the story: The people tasked to examine some problem must account for all the evidence. No cherry picking allowed.

    As a corollary: making sense of all the evidence is difficult and time consuming. It is a job for experts who subject themselves to peer review. Not cool for a governor or a mayor or anyone not truly an expert to "think for themselves" and to assert their own opinions.

    Consider the issue of preflushing, a water plant procedure that skewed testing results. Ever heard of preflushing? Me neither. Did the governor or his staff know about preflushing? Probably not. So how the hell would any of those people make wise decisions about this situation? Why no respect for scientific expertise, dear leaders?

    Skip the politics and go right to, "what is the scientific consensus here?" That would cut down on a lot of faggotry in this country.
  10. The Wrong Guy Member

    Two Michigan Environmental Workers Suspended

    http://www.wbal.com/article/138315/...tal-workers-suspended-amid-flint-water-crisis

    US Denies Appeal for Flint Disaster Declaration

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/22/us/ap-us-flint-water-the-latest.html

    Pearl Jam donates $300,000 to Flint water crisis

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/en...earl-jam-donates-flint-water-crisis/79173162/

    Documents reveal agencies across the US distort tests to downplay lead content of water

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/doc...tort-tests-to-downplay-lead-content-of-water/
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  11. The Internet Member

    Flint Governor fingers.jpg

    So first the Governor was like, "Hey stop pointing fingers at me! let's not point fingers!"

    And now he is like, "Imma point my finger at the bad people!"
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  12. The Wrong Guy Member

    Anonymous Launches Operation For Flint Water Crisis (A Year Late)

    A month after officials announced a state of emergency, the hacktivist group is on the case.

    Excerpt:

    The video doesn’t explain any specifics of Anonymous’ attack plan, but assures those affected by the water crisis: “We will amplify your voice where the mainstream media will surely fail you, as it has in the past. We will also join you in calling bullshit on any spin that the corporate media is prepared to put on this.”

    This announcement comes two months after four families filed the first federal class-action lawsuit against Governor Snyder and other government officials, one month after Flint Mayor Karen Weaver declared a public health state of emergency and four days after President Obama declared a federal state of emergency and granted $5 million in aid. All of these developments were covered extensively by mainstream media.

    2015_12_11-AnonymousHactivism-UPDATED-KK.r3.png

    This is just the latest example in a growing trend of reactionary Anonymous attacks. A Vocativ analysis of 95 Anonymous operations since the group’s formation in 2006 shows that many early operations helped draw public attention to — and inspire headlines for — issues like abuse within the Church of Scientology, internet censorship and child pornography. But more recent attacks like Operation Charlie Hebdo, Operation Paris and Operation Trump seem to be inspired by the headlines.

    http://www.vocativ.com/news/273599/anonymous-operation-flint-water-crisis/
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  13. The Internet Member

    Anonymous have become the Volunteer Ministers, jumping onto crap in the news to seem relevant and praise worthy.
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  14. The Wrong Guy Member

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  15. The Internet Member

    White people in Flint were also poisoned, I am just saying.
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  16. The Wrong Guy Member

    Don't Send Bottled Water | Michael Moore

    Quote:

    Many of you have contacted me wanting to know how you can help the people of Flint with the two-year long tragedy of drinking water contaminated by the radical decisions made by the Governor of Michigan. The offer is much appreciated by those who are suffering through this and who have not drank a glass of unpoisoned water since April of 2014.

    Unfortunately, the honest answer to your offer of help is, sadly, you can’t.

    You can't help.

    The reason you can’t help is that you cannot reverse the irreversible brain damage that has been inflicted upon every single child in Flint. The damage is permanent. There is no medicine you can send, no doctor or scientist who has any way to undo the harm done to thousands of babies, toddlers and children (not to mention their parents). They are ruined for life, and someone needs to tell you the truth about that. They will, forever, suffer from various neurological impediments, their IQs will be lowered by at least 20 points, they will not do as well in school and, by the time they reach adolescence, they will exhibit various behavioral problems that will land a number of them in trouble, and some of them in jail.

    That is what we know about the history of lead poisoning when you inflict it upon a child. It is a life sentence. In Flint, they’ve already ingested it for these two years, and the toll has already been taken on their developing brains. No check you write, no truckloads of Fiji Water or Poland Spring, will bring their innocence or their health back to normal. It’s done. And it was done knowingly, enacted by a political decision from a Governor and a political party charged by the majority of Michigan’s citizens who elected them to cut taxes for the rich, take over majority-black cities by replacing the elected mayors and city councils, cut costs, cut services, cut more taxes for the rich, increase taxes on retired teachers and public employees and, ultimately, try to decimate their one line of defense against all this, this thing we used to call a union.

    The amount of generosity since the national media finally started to cover this story has been tremendous. Pearl Jam sent 100,000 bottles of water. The next day the Detroit Lions showed up with a truck and 100,000 bottles of water. Yesterday, Puff Daddy and Mark Wahlberg donated 1,000,000 bottles of water! Unbelievably amazing. They acknowledged it’s a very short-term fix, and that it is. Flint has 102,000 residents, each in need of an average of 50 gallons of water a day for cooking, bathing, washing clothes, doing the dishes, and drinking (I’m not counting toilet flushes, watering plants or washing the car). But 100,000 bottles of water is enough for just one bottle per person – in other words, just enough to cover brushing one’s teeth for one day. You would have to send 200 bottles a day, per person, to cover what the average American (we are Americans in Flint) needs each day. That’s 102,000 citizens times 200 bottles of water – which equals 20.4 million 16oz. bottles of water per day, every day, for the next year or two until this problem is fixed (oh, and we’ll need to find a landfill in Flint big enough for all those hundreds of millions of plastic water bottles, thus degrading the local environment even further). Anybody want to pony up for that? Because THAT is the reality.

    This is a catastrophe of unimaginable proportions. There is not a terrorist organization on Earth that has yet to figure out how to poison 100,000 people every day for two years – and get away with it. That took a Governor who subscribes to an American political ideology hell-bent on widening the income inequality gap and conducting various versions of voter and electoral suppression against people of color and the poor. It was those actions that led Michigan’s Republican Governor to try out his economic and racial experiment in Flint (and please don’t tell me this has nothing to do with race or class; he has removed the mayors of a number of black cities. This, and the water crisis in Flint, never would have been visited upon the residents of Bloomfield Hills or Grosse Pointe -- and everyone here knows that). We have now seen the ultimate disastrous consequences of late-20th century, neo-conservative, trickle down public policy. That word “trickle,” a water-based metaphor, was used to justify this economic theory -- well, it’s no longer a metaphor, is it? Because now we’re talking about how actual water has been used to institute these twisted economic beliefs in destroying the lives of the black and the poor in Flint, Michigan.

    So, do you still want to help? Really help? Because what we need in Flint – and across the country – right now, tonight, is a nonviolent army of people who are willing to stand up for this nation, and go to bat for the forgotten of Flint.

    Here’s what you and I need to do:

    Continued here: http://michaelmoore.com/DontSendBottledWater
  17. The Internet Member

    I do agree that people didn't stop and worry about the water in Flint as they should have. Unsafe drinking water is not a problem you ever want to ignore. But I can't blame the governor exclusively. A lot of people were involved in the bad decisions.

    Forget the budget. Money is no object when the water is not safe.

    Maybe the top guy to blame would be the city manager who didn't react in full emergency mode when first notified of a concern about lead in the water.

    But then there's the problem of "preflushing" the pipes before running the tests. Running the water for several minutes flushes out contaminants. But who runs the water for a long time when getting something to drink? Apparently city water departments have been recommending pre-flushing prior to testing in lots of places, not just Flint. So I can kinda understand how a manager, who is not a water system expert, could get suckered into hearing what he wanted to hear if preflushed tests were okay while other tests were not. Failing to do the tests properly seems to be a systemic problem. I don't know who to blame for that.

    I don't know how the people in Flint got their old water treatment plant up and running. It wasn't in service several years, as I understand. It is possible people were driven to meet deadlines too aggressively. Maybe a stat push is okay when you are making a movie. But for public health matters, people need time to think and double-check and be cautious. There's no money in that kind of work, the being careful work, but it is important.

    A lot goes into building a civic infrastructure that works, more or less. I do worry that in our anti-tax era we are not investing enough in that infrastructure. We probably won't realize the cost until it catches up with us, as it did in Flint.

    I read that switching back to the Detroit water didn't fix the problem. Because the corrosive Flint water stripped off the protective biofilm within the pipes. So now the metals leech into the water even though it is less corrosive. God knows how much it will cost to replace all the old pipes.
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  18. Random guy Member


    Granted, but being alpha male also means you are the fall guy.
  19. The Internet Member

    I went back over some old articles like this one:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/fl...ichigan-blowing-flint-over-lead-water-n491481

    That email from Dennis Muchmore to governor Snyder is pretty clear: "I really don't think people are getting the benefit of the doubt. Now they are concerned and rightfully so about the lead level studies they are receiving," But the governor did nothing for six months.

    So okay, go ahead and nuke Snyder from orbit. You have my blessing.

    But there is another biggie: apparently this mess could have been avoided if the Flint water treatment plant filtered the high salt levels. That costs about $100 per day, or $36,000 per year. I have read that this is "water treatment 101" and nothing fancy. It appears that saving $36,000 annually was more important that safe water. That seems so retarded I don't even...

    But I don't know who to pin that one on.

    Oh geez even more depressing:
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  20. Random guy Member

    Shitty story is shitty. Proper infrastructure is the backbone of any functioning society above the tribal level of organization.
  21. The Wrong Guy Member

    Emails Show Flint Govt Bought Clean Water for Themselves While Residents Drank Poison for a Year

    By Matt Agorist, The Free Thought Project, January 28, 2016

    As the water crisis in Flint shows no signs of coming to an end anytime soon, one thing is clear — not one government official has yet to be held accountable for causing it.

    As details emerge about how officials have known about the tainted water and simply allowed the public to consume it without taking action, newly released documents reveal that the state wasn’t entirely without action — for themselves.

    A series of emails released Thursday, obtained through a FOIA request shows that not only did officials know the water was tainted, but they took action and began trucking in water to state buildings so they would no longer have to drink it.

    <snipped>

    “It appears the state wasn’t as slow as we first thought in responding the Flint Water Crisis. Sadly, the only response was to protect the Snyder administration from future liability and not to protect the children of Flint from lead poisoning,” said Lonnie Scott, executive director of Progress Michigan in a press release on Thursday. “While residents were being told to relax and not worry about the water, the Snyder administration was taking steps to limit exposure in its own building.”

    More here:
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/leaked-docs-flint-govt-trucking-clean-water-year/
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  22. The Wrong Guy Member

    Whistleblower: State stopped Legionnaires' investigation | CNN



    A whistleblower breaks his silence about the outbreak of Legionnaires' disease in Flint, Michigan, during 2014 and 2015. CNN's Sara Ganim reports.

    State officials blocked Flint Legionnaires' probe: CNN | Reuters

    Michigan authorities blocked county health officials from investigating an outbreak of Legionnaires' disease that may have been linked to the water crisis in the impoverished city of Flint, a county health supervisor told CNN on Saturday.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-water-idUSKCN0VM0TZ
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  23. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Your post should be clearer about who says what. For instance, the sentence below the graph does not belong to the same source, AFAIK.

    Who says that Anonymous is reactionary ? IMHO, it is an over-generalization.
  24. fishypants Moderator

    He's still in office?

    Why haven't the people of Flint MI risen up as one and demanded change?

    What is wrong with these people?




    (Inb4 'lead poisoning'...)
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  25. The Wrong Guy Member

    Flint Residents May Have Been Drinking PFCs in Addition to Lead | The Intercept

    Residents of Flint, Michigan, who drank lead in their water may also have been exposed to perfluorinated compounds, or PFCs, according to a report from the Michigan Department of Community Health.

    The May 2015 report showed elevated levels of PFCs in the Flint River — including PFOA, also known as C8, the chemical that spread into drinking water around a DuPont plant in West Virginia and led to a landmark class-action lawsuit. In addition to C8 and PFOS, a similar molecule that’s also based on a chain of eight carbon atoms, scientists found 11 other PFCs in the Flint River — more than in any of the other water sources tested around the state.

    In 2014, in an effort to save money, Flint switched the source of its drinking water from Lake Huron to the Flint River, a change that resulted in residents being exposed to lead levels high enough to cause irreversible brain damage in children.

    The Michigan report was based on tests of surface water and fish for PFCs in 13 sites around the state. According to Jennifer Eisner, a public information officer for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, the report was not designed to evaluate drinking water. Eisner referred questions about the dangers the PFCs posed to people drinking water from the Flint River to the Department of Environmental Quality, which did not return our phone calls.

    <snipped>

    For more on C8 and PFCs:

    The Teflon Toxin

    Part 1: DuPont and the Chemistry of Deception
    Part 2: The Case Against DuPont
    Part 3: How DuPont Slipped Past the EPA

    Poisoning the Well

    Toxic Firefighting Foam Has Contaminated U.S. Drinking Water

    Here's the full article:
    https://theintercept.com/2016/02/17/flint-residents-may-have-been-drinking-pfcs-in-addition-to-lead/
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  26. The Wrong Guy Member

    Flint Citizens Drink Poison While Nestle Pumps 200 Gallons Of Fresh Water From Michigan Every Minute

    As you’ve probably already heard, Flint, Michigan is currently in the midst of a water crisis. Children have been taken to hospitals with reports of irreversible brain damage, and the federal government has now declared a state of emergency.

    How did this happen? In an effort to cut costs, Governor (Rick Snyder) decided to switch the city’s water supply from one of the cleanest (and largest) sources in the world, Lake Huron, to the corrosive and polluted water of the Flint river. At the same time, Michigan’s Governor was allowing the Nestle corporation to pump 200 gallons of fresh water per minute out of the state’s reserves.

    Nestle basically owns all of Michigan’s private water sources, and Deb Mchmoe, the head spokesperson for Nestle Michigan, is actually married to Governor Sender’s Chief of Staff. She was instrumental in the switch from the clean water supply to the corrosive one. While we are not implying that she knew it was poisoned, we do wonder why anyone would take the risk of switching supplies from one of the best known sources.

    Continued here:
    http://www.collective-evolution.com...ns-of-fresh-water-from-michigan-every-minute/
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  27. anonysamvines Member

    If the water wasn't good enough for Nestle how could ANYONE think it was good enough for the townspeople? It isn't rocket science to make that connection is it?

    Years ago environmentalists worked hard to stop industry polluting water supplies
    What happened Murica?
    Nor does all the blame lie with Big Bizness and Corrupt Gov't. Most of it does
    But we all have to take responsibility too. Responsibility to keep Gov't accountable to the populace, and corruption at a minimum.


    It really does make me think of The Simpsons and the pollution there. Not in a fun way!
  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Workers charged in Flint water crisis 'failed us all,' Michigan official says | CNN

    Three government employees charged in connection with the Flint water crisis "failed Michigan families," and the charges against them "are only the beginning" of a lengthy and exhaustive probe, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette said Wednesday.

    While Flint residents have said they feel the criminality that led to poisonous water being pumped into their homes stems from the top, namely Gov. Rick Snyder's office, Schuette promised that no one guilty of wrongdoing would escape justice, no matter "how big a shot you are." "No one is above the law, not on my watch," he said.

    The attorney general held a news conference Wednesday shortly after Genesee County prosecutor David Leyton announced the charges against Mike Glasgow, a former laboratory and water quality supervisor who now serves as the city's utilities administrator, and Michigan Department of Environmental Quality district water supervisor Stephen Busch and district water engineer Mike Prysby.

    "They failed Michigan families. Indeed, they failed us all. I don't care where you live," Schuette said.

    Glasgow is charged with tampering with evidence, a felony, and willful neglect of duty, a misdemeanor. The tampering charge carries a maximum sentence of four years in prison and a $5,000 fine.

    He allegedly tampered with a 2015 report, "Lead and Copper Report and Consumer Notice of Lead Result," and failed to perform his duties as a treatment plant operator, according to Schuette's office.

    Busch is charged with misconduct in office, tampering with evidence, conspiracy to tamper with evidence -- all felonies -- and two misdemeanor violations of the Safe Drinking Water Act, one involving treatment, the other involving monitoring.

    The attorney general's office alleges Busch misled county, state and federal officials; conspired to manipulate monitoring reports; tampered with the 2015 report named in the charges against Glasgow; failed to use corrosion control treatment and/or refused to mandate the treatment once dangerous lead levels were detected and manipulated; and he manipulated water samples by telling residents to "pre-flush" their taps the night before their samples were drawn and/or failed to collect required samples and/or removed results from samples slated to be included in the 2015 report.

    Prysby faces the same allegations and charges as Busch, plus an additional felony charge of misconduct in office. That count states he authorized a permit to the Flint Water Treatment Plant knowing it "was deficient in its ability to provide clean and safe drinking water for the citizens." That charge carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

    The maximum penalties allowed for the other charges against Busch and Prysby are five years in prison and a $10,000 fine for the misconduct count, four years and $10,000 for the conspiracy count, four years and $5,000 for the tampering count, and one year each for the Safe Drinking Water Act violations. The latter also carry $5,000 fines for each day the accused were found to be in violation of the act.

    The next step in the process is a formal arraignment, Leyton, the prosecutor, said.

    Continued here:
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/20/health/flint-water-crisis-charges/
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  29. The Wrong Guy Member

    Document Dump: Lawsuit Reveals Extent of DuPont's C8 Cover-Up

    Quote:

    Corporate heavyweight DuPont is back in court right now, defending their decision to poison entire communities along the Ohio River by releasing a toxic chemical known as C8 into the river. C8 is a chemical that is used in the manufacturing of the company's blockbuster product Teflon.

    The case alleges that DuPont officials were intimately aware of the dangerous side effects of C-8 exposure but still decided to allow exposure among workers and by releasing the chemical into the environment.

    Once the chemicals were dumped into the Ohio River, they seeped into the water supplies of nearby communities, resulting in thousands of people being exposed to dangerous levels of C8. Complicating the exposure problem is the fact that C8 is biopersistent, meaning that it does not break down in the body or in the environment, and instead continues to build as exposure increases.

    The case currently before the court is being handled by Mike Papantonio, the co-host of Ring of Fire (full disclosure: I work for Papantonio and serve as his co-host on Ring of Fire on Free Speech TV.) This is the second trial that Papantonio has handled in the last year, with the first resulting in a jury award of $1.6 million for a woman who developed a cancerous tumor on her kidneys. In that case, the jury found that DuPont acted negligently, but not with malice.

    But the "malice" argument might be easier to prove now that a slew of documents have been unsealed from the ongoing trial. The documents show that DuPont was well aware of the dangers of C8 dating all the way back to 1961, and in many instances, their own environmental lawyers privately questioned the company's decision to pretend that a problem didn't exist.

    Here are a few items found within these documents, which have been made available by the Levin Papantonio Law Firm:
    • In November, 1961, a top DuPont toxicologist informed the company that C8 used in the production of Teflon was toxic.
    • February, 1961: DuPont becomes aware that C8 exposure in rats was linked to enlargement of testes, kidneys, and adrenal glands.
    • September, 1979: DuPont learns that monkeys exposed to high levels of C8 died, and that their workers who were exposed to C8 showed abnormal liver functions in lab tests.
    • April, 1981: DuPont recognizes the link between C8 exposure and birth defects and removes pregnant women from C8 projects to limit exposure.
    • November, 1982: 21 years after the company recognizes C8 as "toxic," they finally recommend limiting workers' exposure to C8.
    • October 1983: DuPont scientists grow concerned about the levels of C8 being dumped by the company into the Ohio River.
    • October, 1986: DuPont finally begins to worry about the "liability" they could face as a result of dumping C8 into the Ohio River.
    • March 1988: DuPont learns of link between C8 and testicular cancer. DuPont then internally classified C8 as a possible human carcinogen. DuPont knew it was in the public water supply, but did not tell the public.
    • February 1995: DuPont internal memo shows that they are concerned about the potential health effects associated with C8 exposure.
    • August, 1999: In two separate emails a DuPont environmental attorney talked about C8, where he stated the following: "Too bad the business wants to hunker down as though everything will not come out … god knows how they could be so clueless"…"A debacle at best, the business did not want to deal with this issue in the 1990s, and now it is in their face, and some are still clueless. Very poor leadership, the worse I have seen in the face of a serious issue since I have been with DuPont."
    • August, 2000: DuPont in-house counsel writes: "The [expletive] is about to hit the fan in WV, the lawyer for the farmer finally realizes the surfactant [C8] issue, he is threatening to go to the press to embarrass us to pressure us to settle for big bucks. [Expletive] him. Finally the plant recognizes it must get public first, something I have been urging for over a year, better late than never, we are hoping plaintiff does not get there the next couple days, we need about a week. We boned ourselves again, such is life in big and I suspect little companies."
    • 2014: DuPont finally stops dumping C8 into the Ohio River.
    The documents can be found here.

    Continued here:
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/...awsuit-reveals-extent-of-dupont-s-c8-cover-up
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  30. Random guy Member

  31. snippy Member

    I've been saying for years (kind of jokingly) that there must be something in the water in Ohio, because of the bizarre nature of some of the crimes there. Not so funny now.

    http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-crimi...d-is-the-serial-killer-capital-of-america.php

    Also, saw these two protesters at the Cleveland Cavs game this weekend. They said more kids are poisoned from lead paint in Cleveland than from the water in Flint.
    20160618_lead.jpg
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  33. The Wrong Guy Member

    This One Tweet Should Remind You That Flint's Water Crisis Still Isn't Over | Romper

    Quote:

    In the ceaseless ebb and flow of the news cycle, the plight of the citizens of Flint, Michigan has been largely forgotten. Now and again, though, something happens to remind everyone about the disaster in Flint, where in 2014 city officials decided to switch the city's water supply from Lake Huron water to the polluted water of the Flint River. This weekend, Birmingham CBS affiliate WIAT reported that an advisor to Michigan's governor claimed that "things [were] getting back to normal" in the city. But folks on social media weren't having it, including musician Jon Connor, whose Tweet should remind us that Flint's water crisis isn't over.

    Connor, who refers to himself as "the people's rapper," sent out a matter-of-fact Tweet with a simple message: "Flint might not be in the news anymore but my mom is still using bottled water to shower," he wrote. Connor's feeling that the reality of Flint doesn't match the media's portrayal comes on the heels of an interview published this weekend with Harvey Hollins, the Flint official who was appointed by Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder to coordinate the city and state's management of the water crisis.

    "Things are getting back to normal," Hollins told a local WLNS reporter. "What needs to occur is developing and building trust. That’s going to be a long task."

    The notion that things are returning to "normal" in Flint is a highly debatable take on the water crisis, which is improving but certainly not resolved.

    Continued here:
    https://www.romper.com/p/this-one-t...hat-flints-water-crisis-still-isnt-over-14551
  34. Quentinanon Member

    I didn't see any scientology vulture ministers show up in Flint. I guess they don't want to demonstrate that touch assists don't cure brain damage.
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  35. The Wrong Guy Member

    How Officials Distorted Flint’s Water Testing | The New York Times

    Six state employees were charged with crimes related to the lead water crisis in Flint on Friday. Local and state officials had said for months that tests showed that Flint’s water had safe levels of lead. But the officials used flawed testing methods, making the levels of lead in the water supply appear far less dangerous than they were.

    Continued here:
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/21/us/flint-lead-water-testing-distortions.html
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    Flint water crisis prosecutors tell Appeals Court more criminal charges expected | MLive

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    Special prosecutors say they expect additional criminal charges to be filed "against unnamed individuals" in the Flint water crisis.

    Special prosecutor Todd Flood and Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton made the comment Friday, Sept. 2, in a filing with Michigan Court of Appeals.

    Prosecutors want to leave protective orders in place that keep the state Department of Health and Human Services away from potential evidence and witnesses in future Flint water cases.

    DHHS is asking the Appeals Court to give it access to and documents from McLaren-Flint hospital -- a common thread in many cases of legionella after the city changed its water source for parts of 2014 and 2015.

    Protective orders issued by Genesee County Circuit Court Judge Geoffrey Neithercut currently block DHHS from information that could be tied to continuing criminal investigations headed by Flood and Leyton and allow the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to replace DHHS in analyzing legionella issues.

    "Given the scope of the investigation ... the only way to ensure an unbiased and independent investigation of any issues relating to the Flint water crisis was to take the 'fox out of the henhouse,' " the special prosecutors' filing with the Appeals Court says.

    Continued here:
    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/flint_water_crisis_prosecutors_1.html
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    Emergency managers, city officials charged in Flint water crisis

    By Paul Egan and Elisha Anderson , Detroit Free Press, December 20, 2016

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    Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette announced new criminal charges against four defendants Tuesday – including two former emergency managers appointed by the state – in his ongoing criminal investigation of the Flint drinking water crisis and lead poisoning of city residents.

    Schuette brought 20-year felonies against defendants he alleged conspired to operate the Flint Water Treatment Plant when it wasn't safe to do so and used a phony environmental order to allow Flint to borrow money to proceed with the Karegnondi Water Authority pipeline, while tying Flint to the Flint River for its drinking water in the interim.

    Officials pushed ahead with taking the city's drinking water from the Flint River in April 2014, despite the fact they knew well that the Flint Water Treatment Plant was not ready to deliver safe drinking water, Schuette and his investigators alleged at a Tuesday news conference.

    "So many people knew that that plant was not ready -- and yet it was done," said Andrew Arena, the former special agent in charge of the FBI in Detroit, and now Schuette's lead investigator. "That's the thing that shocked me."

    In 67th District Court in Flint this morning, a judge authorized charges against former Flint emergency managers Darnell Earley and Gerald Ambrose and city officials Howard Croft, who was public works superintendent, and Daugherty Johnson, the utilities administrator.

    One of the defendants, Johnson, was arraigned early Tuesday afternoon, entered a not guilty plea and received a $25,000 personal bond on each count.

    Continued with video at http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc.../12/20/schuette-flint-water-charges/95644964/
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  38. Quentinanon Member

    And still no Vulture Ministers.
    They cannot make the brain damage go away with touch assists, vitamins or CalMag.
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    Proposed $97M deal reached in Flint drinking water case | The Detroit News

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    The state will spend an additional $47 million to help ensure safe drinking water in Flint by replacing lead pipes and providing free bottled water under a proposed settlement announced Monday.

    The money is in addition to $40 million previously budgeted to address Flint’s widespread lead-contamination crisis. The state also will set aside $10 million to cover unexpected costs, bringing the total to $97 million.

    The settlement was revealed in a lawsuit filed last year by a coalition of religious, environmental and civil rights activists. The coalition alleged Flint water was not safe to drink because state and city officials were violating the Safe Drinking Water Act.

    “We think this proposed agreement provides a comprehensive framework to address lead contamination in Flint’s tap water,” said Dimple Chaudhary, a senior attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council and lead plaintiffs’ counsel on the case. “It covers a number of critical issues related to water safety.”

    The deal provides more money to repair the city’s water lines but also gives the state an opportunity in the future to stop providing free bottled water to residents.

    U.S. District Judge David Lawson will review the settlement during a 1 p.m. hearing Tuesday in Detroit.
    A spokeswoman for Gov. Rick Snyder declined comment Monday, citing the pending court hearing. A state Treasury spokeswoman declined comment.

    The lawsuit was filed last year by a group led by the Natural Resources Defense Council, the ACLU of Michigan, Concerned Pastors for Social Action and Flint resident Melissa Mays, who also declined comment Monday.

    Source: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2017/03/27/flint-water/99704386/

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