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Freewinds refit in Colombia

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  1. Anonymous Member

  2. Anonymous Member

    Re: Only 64 passengers aboard the Freewinds in June

    google tranlation of article referenced by Woodcraft

    La nave del asbesto - Artículos de Opinión - Columnistas - ELTIEMPO.COM

  3. rof Member

    Re: Freewinds undergoing refit in Colombia

    Arise Colombian socialistos . . .

    . . . and benefit from the great snack.
  4. ARC Member

  5. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Nice column. I hope it will rise awareness there.
  6. fitch2000 Member

    Re: Only 64 passengers aboard the Freewinds in June

    one of the comments (translated with google) says Colombia is one of the only places asbestos isn't outlawed?


    "Mc causland, agree with you, is a danger not only for workers but for the delicate marine ecosystem. I make a suggestion to you is a respected journalist with a very sharp point of view and impartial (in most cases). write a column talking about the risks of asbestos-cement tiles that are blocked * around the world except in Colombia *. not just 500 people at risk, but * * million Colombians who live under this "roof". HAYQ to take action against against the Freewinds and asbestos cement shingles

    Por: siberiann - Dom 27 sep 2009 11:35 pm.

    Votar en contra [ 0 votos] Votar a favor [ 0 votos]

    Mc causland, de acuerdo con usted, es un peligro y no solo para los trabajadores sino para el delicado ecosistema marino. le hago una sugerencia a usted que es un periodista respetado, con un punto de vista muy agudo e imparcial (en la mayoria de los casos). escriba una columna hablando de los riesgos de las tejas de asbesto cemento que estan vetadas *en todo el mundo menos en colombia*. no son solo 500 personas en riesgo sino *millones de colombianos* que vivimos bajo ese "techo". hayq que tomar acciones contra el freewinds y contra las tejas de asbesto cemento"
  7. xenubarb Member

    Re: Colombia : La nave del asbesto

    Here's my best shot with Babelfish and 2 Spanish dictionaries:

    I'm sure Espanol speaking anon can whip this into better shape.
  8. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    I have omitted a few obscure phrases. The meaning remains clear. Early March, 2008,

    SE CREATE NEW JOB OPPORTUNITIES (is SE Scientologia Ecclesia? the Church of Scientology in Spanish?)

    Cartagena could in future become a popular port for the interior renovation of cruise ships.

    The first experience of this kind is about to culminate March 31* when he delivered the work to remodel the interior of the Freewinds ship, registered in Panama, which these days is berthed at Pier Resort Manga while the renovation continues.

    The project is supervised by Carlos Hernando Reyes, an architect from Bogota, who graduated from the University of La Salle, with extensive experience in the design and planning of five-star hotels. This project could lead to Cartagena with other Caribbean islands doing this class of jobs for cruise lines that ply this river basin (coast?), such as Curacao and The Bahamas.

    The project, which has a value of over $ 4 million, will renovate the interior of the vessel, with all design, labor and materials Colombian, Reyes said.

    An estimated 500 jobs were generated from this project, of which 20% are from Cartagena. They also have hired some equipment and work with companies in Bogota and Medellin. Architects, furniture manufacturers in Medellín, craftsmen, electricians, plumbers, fitters of ceramics, and logistics companies are benefiting from this project.

    The ship has been renewed twice. The first on Curaçao and 10 years ago, in part, Bahamas.

    "This is proof that the country trust us," he told El Universal the captain of the ship Freewinds, Ludwing Alpers. [There was learned debate about the meaning of this. Perhaps Captain Ludwig Alpers told El Universal that this was proof that Colombia trusted the CoS but it would make more sense if the CoS trusted Colombia.]

    The ship, with capacity for 600 people, has 9 floors, 21 foot draft and a length of 136 meters.

    MORE OPTIONS

    Carlos Hernando Reyes, who has also worked for Royal Caribbean, revealed that there are talks with a second ship is a ship that operates in the Caribbean that are interested in signing contracts with Design Support Team, based in Florida, and subsidiary in Bogota, the work of remodeling one of its units. This company is now considering installing an office in Cartagena, as it found in the city a great potential for such projects.

    The Freewinds is owned Majestic Cruises Line.

    "I think Cartagena has a number of potential, which today seem scattered, but which together enable these projects are actually in the city. There is infrastructure, there are human resource, materials and there is a growing cruise that give support to these initiatives, "said Reyes.

    Standardization

    The Freewinds ship meets all international standards in the handling of asbestos architect Carlos Reyes said. The source said that many of the older boats have this material in its configuration that is used as heat insulation, but this rule must be encapsulated material, so in the case of this ship is no problem. "If not, would not be sailing," said the source.


    * Freewinds had no paying passengers until December 2008 when it made 2 calls to Aruba (154 passengers). In September 2008 she was still 'docked' in Aruba.

    I believe there are NO 'older boats' with asbestos insulation still in service since the cost of renovation outweighed their value.

    What did little David offer in exchange for this now-you-see-it-now-it's-all-encapsulated shit?
  9. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    I haven't read the whole thing, my bad, and do not want to end a useful debate (since Freewinds is certainly still lousy with blue asbestos dust) but asbestos-cement tiles are not the end of the world unless you smash them into dust and breathe in deeply. Even blue asbestos is only dangerous as dust, not, for example, under water. The risk to workers on the Failboat remains.

    What are they doing to the poor old thing now that was not done last year? Truly a Failboat is a hole through which you pour millions of dollars into the sea.
  10. timthephoto Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    actually Lawrence Woodcraft warned the captain and Biddy Miscavige in 1987, just after they bought the poxy thing.

    the answer that came back ? - "Sexual perversion causes cancer - Not Asbestos"
  11. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    We might not all agree that sexual perversion causes cancer, but I think we can all agree that it doesn't cause asbestos.
  12. FUCK Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Nice.
  13. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    I'm a bit more confused than usual. Does this article by McCausland (good Hispanic name!) refer to yet another renovation taking place now in Colombia? Or to the patch-up job done some time in the first half of 2008, after the Failboat was chucked out of Curacao, never to return? If so what is wrong now, apart from all the encapsulated blue stuff?

    Edited later: Yes, the ship was in tip-top condition at the end of 2008 but someone felt the need to spend $4 million more on it this year.

    Why?
  14. Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Yeah, newfags cause cancer.
  15. Kha Khan Member

  16. xenubarb Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    I don't know why I'm reminded of this, but I am...

    "Do you smoke after sex?"
    "I don't know, I never looked..."
  17. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Carlos Hernando Reyes, arquitecto, descarta que represente peligro buque de la cienciología La W Radio | Septiembre 29 de 2009

    The architect who supervised the $4M outfitting of the Scientology boat is pooh-poohing the idea that it might represent a risk.

    Carlos Hernando Reyes, arquitecto, descarta que represente peligro buque de la cienciología


    It looks as though more blue asbestos is about to hit the fan.


    http://www.wradio.com.co/nota.aspx?id=887172

    Controversy over the entrance into Cartagena of a Scientology ship contaminated with carcinogens
    Asdrubal Guerra | September 29, 2009

    The American architect Lawrence Woodcraft said in W [a Cartagena radio station] that the Church of Scientology vessel Freewinds, which until a few days ago was in Cartagena, was a danger as it contained blue asbestos, a carcinogen that endangers the lives of those who are exposed to it. Capt. Victor Howard denied this. Similarly, the architect Carlos Hernando Reyes, who worked on this boat, denied that he had removed contaminating blue asbestos particles.

    "We changed beds, bedside tables, seating and did not handle asbestos contaminant," said architect Reyes.

    The American architect Woodcraft explained that this ship was built in the 60s to transport cars and did not rule out that today more than 40 years later the ship may represent some kind of danger by the loosening of some components.

    However, Captain Victor Howard of the Port of Cartagena also dismissed the possibility of any danger as a consequence of work done in that city in areas where blue asbestos particles were present.

    Oh dear. If they don't want them in Cartagena, where will they go now? Word is getting around.
  18. Belladonna Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Scientology Today Blog Archive Scientology Religious Retreat, M/V Freewinds Featured in Maritime Reporter and Engineering News

    (more, with link to the article. Magazine cover pictured below)

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  19. basil Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Freewinds, an old wreck? Priceless...
  20. Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    If you check out the scifag article, it has a direct link to the actual magazine carrying the story.

    Judging from the pictures they put a lot of effort and money into making that ship nice again.
  21. LE Member

  22. Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Plain text of the article, so Google can index this BS

    MARINE DESIGN
    M/V FREEWINDS

    A magnificent ship renovation via
    Elbow Grease, Heart & Soul

    In today’s “I need it yesterday” world, emphasis on quantity often overpowers quality, while the quick fix can supersede the correct
    one. Step back, take a deep breath and enjoy the fruits of a tremendous labor, a labor of love that resulted in the top-to-bottom
    renovation of storied ship with a unique owner.
    By Greg Trauthwein, Editor


    Nobody can afford this level of quality anymore.
    Jon Rusten, COO and VP Development

    A cruise ship earning a new lease on
    life via renovation is hardly a unique concept.
    Costing upwards of a half a billion
    dollars with a lifespan of 30 years or
    more, these specialty ships need to finetune
    décor and amenities to stay relevant
    to the cruising public’s evolving taste.
    But the cruise ship M/V Freewinds is
    no ordinary ship.

    Born as the M/S Bohéme and a founding
    member of the Caribbean cruise shipping
    industry operating out of Miami,
    M/V Freewinds has for more than 20
    years been owned and operated as the
    cruise ship for the Church of Scientology,
    and was a recent recipient of a top to bottom,
    inside out renovation which qualifies
    it as one of the finest ship renovations
    ever.

    M/V Freewinds to its crew and caretakers
    is much more than a ship: it is
    home, it is a refuge, a place of study and
    reflection. It was with this frame of mind
    that – when the decision was made to
    keep it as the Church of Scientology’s
    aquatic platform for years to come –
    helped to plan and execute the job.

    “This was a historic renovation, as this
    is one of the first ships to start the cruise
    shipping business in the Caribbean. To
    bring a ship like that back to better condition
    than when she first arrived is unheard
    of … it is quite fantastic” said
    Tomas Tillberg, Tillberg Design U.S.,
    who was responsible for taking
    the original plans of a
    land-based architect to
    their maritime con-
    clusion, providing drawings and specifications
    so the job could be bid.

    “The effort and enthusiasm of the people
    involved” is what stands-out on this
    project, according to Jon Rusten, COO
    and VP Development, Ocean Development
    Group, a man with more than a few
    high-profile cruise ship projects under his
    belt. “The level of quality is incredible.
    Nobody can afford this level of quality
    anymore, and they are independent of
    commercial consideration.”

    In 2005, when the Church of Scientology
    was evaluating the future of its marine
    operations, it had owned and
    operated M/V Freewinds for nearly 20 of
    its 37-year existence. The question essentially
    revolved around two words: renovate
    or replace.

    “We were looking at the age of the vessel,
    and trying to determine what our
    long-term look was going to be,” said
    Ben Garner, the chief engineer. “We surveyed
    several other vessels in 2005, and
    we came to realize that we had a goldmine
    sitting right underneath our feet.”
    “The waiting lists for a new building
    were far past our operational plans,” said
    Ludwig Alpers, Port Captain, M/V
    Freewinds. “We did survey available vessels
    but the market was slim and there
    was nothing that would have been a viable
    upgrade to the vessel we already
    had. To put it bluntly, they don't build
    ships like they used to.”

    Old Ships = Good Ships?
    If nothing else, the maritime industry
    likes a good ship story, and the M/V
    Freewinds (ex-M/S Bohéme) has a good
    one to tell. The ship was built in 1968 by
    Wärtsilä in Turku, Finland, for Wallenius
    Lines as M/S Bohéme, measuring 134 x
    21 m with a 5.5 m draft and powered by
    a pair of Wärtsilä-Sulzer RD56-8 diesels,
    generating 14,000 BHP and driving the
    twin-screw ship to 20 knots, according to
    the ship history site OpenDNS.
    se and Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    Originally envisioned as a car ferry to
    operate between Bremerhaven and Harwich,
    the ship featured a strong ice class
    hull and was designed to carry 460 passengers.
    But as often happens, plans
    change, and the fate of M/S Bohéme did
    too as the ferry line didn’t turn out to be
    as successful as planned, and at the same
    time Commodore Cruise Line was in
    search of a new ship: M/S Bohéme was
    targeted. At keel laying it was re-planned
    to be a cruise ship, and with M/S Bohéme,
    Commodore helped to start what
    is widely regarded as the birth of the
    modern-day Caribbean cruise industry,
    offering year-round, seven-night cruises
    out of Miami. Given the difference between
    the ship’s original design and its
    eventual use, a number of problems
    quickly presented themselves, and the
    ship was rebuilt at Germany’s Blohm +
    Voss in Hamburg in 1970, in part to address
    a subpar air conditioning system
    and to upgrade the refrigeration system.
    Following the rebuild, for the next 12
    years the ship had the same weekly route:
    Miami – Puerto Plata – St: Thomas and
    an overnight stay in San Juan. P.R., with
    the last port being Cape Hatien.
    In 1986 the ship was sold to San Donato
    Properties Corporation, Panama,
    and renamed M/V Freewinds, and Majestic
    Cruise Lines operated it for the
    Church of Scientology, its present owner.
    Upon taking its new cruise ship, the owners
    set out on a 1.5 year renovation using
    local contractors in Curacao and church
    members, which essentially transformed
    the ship from a cruise ship targeting the
    general public to a luxurious floating retreat
    for members of the Church of Scientology,
    according to Alpers.

    “In 1986, the Freewinds fit the target
    size for the vessel's planned operations,
    to serve as a religious retreat for the
    parishioners of the Church of Scientology,”
    said Alpers. “Vessels were surveyed
    all over the world but the Boheme was
    the perfect combination of size and condition
    for our needs.”

    M/V Freewinds Today
    “One of the most significant achievements
    on the project was to join the talents
    of a large number of professionals
    and artisans and drive their efforts to a
    common goal with the up-most quality in
    the final product,” said Carlos H. Reyes,
    president of The Reyes Group and Design
    Support Team, lead Architect on the
    project.

    When the decision was made to remake
    the ship, the owner consulted with several
    leading organizations that could take
    its overall vision for the ship and deliver
    form, function, a budget and a plan. Enter
    Ocean Development Corp. and Tillberg
    Design U.S., a pair of firms intimately familiar
    to the growth of the U.S. cruise
    shipping industry, as well as a host of
    contractors in different ports of call.

    “I got involved in the 2nd stage when
    they really wanted to make something
    special,” said Jon Rusten of Ocean Development
    Group. “I helped them define
    the scope of work, strategize about how
    far this would be taken, and provided
    timeline, budgets and vision, to help them
    facilitate, define the objectives and bring
    it to reality.” The Freewinds hull, engines
    and equipment were all in excellent operational
    condition, and in researching replacement
    equipment it became obvious
    that it would be difficult to find equipment
    compatible to its existing systems,
    and that the lead-times, customization
    and suitability for the ship were all prohibitive.
    “Very early in the planning, we
    recognized the unique fact that the
    biggest problem we were facing was not
    that the equipment was in bad shape or
    needed to be replaced, rather it looked
    old and worn and needed a face lift. That
    really became the mission,” said Captain
    Mike Napier, Master Freewinds.

    “We came to the project by kind recommendation
    of Tomas Tillberg to the
    owner,” said Reyes. “Our main objective
    was to achieve a level of products according
    to the overall vision of the project
    and produce the necessary
    components and elements within the
    budget assigned to it. We had to conform
    a great group of artisans and overcome
    difficult issues of all kinds as soon as the
    ship arrived to Colombia, where the interior
    refit took place”

    Thus embarked the plan to not simply
    ‘spruce up’ the ship, but to extensively
    and completely renovate each and every
    space on the ship, with the intention of
    making it better than the original when
    installed nearly 40 years previously.
    Making the scope of the renovation all
    the more amazing: while the organization
    brought on a bevy of contractors to fulfill
    much of the heavy duty fabrication
    and construction, it was the crew who
    was responsible for the intricate and laborious
    renewal and renovation, including
    a meticulous cleaning and
    rejuvenation of the engine room, the engine
    control room and the bridge (including
    the machining of the new
    stainless steel parts, overhauling the
    equipment, painting and polishing), all
    while the ship stayed in operation.

    “The restoration (which physically
    started in August 2008 and was com-
    pleted in June 2009) was done parallel to
    the scheduled interior upgrades to the
    vessel and was much, much more a matter
    of man-hours and the elbow grease of
    the crew,” said Alpers. “I can't even imagine
    what a project like this would have
    cost if it had been contracted out commercially.
    Every crew member onboard
    chipped in some time on the project.”

    The challenges when embarking on any
    ship renovation are numerous.

    “The most challenging thing was the
    requirement to ‘think outside the box. It
    required a lot of creation and new ideas
    on how to just take an ordinary piece of
    equipment and turn it into a show piece.
    You had to get away from the usual ideas
    of throwing some new paint on it and
    rather envision what it would look like
    with Stainless steel control levers and
    sight glasses and a new stainless steel
    base,” said the M/V Freewinds Naval Architect.
    While the ship and plan were indeed
    unique, Tomas Tillberg of Tillberg
    Design U.S. said that the age of the ship
    and the condition of the equipment didn’t
    pose any specific problems, per se. “We
    did another ship along those lines years
    back – the QE2 – but nowhere near to
    these standards, to this level. I think the
    challenges are pretty similar to the refits
    that we do on the other ships. You plan
    the best that you can, but you will always
    have surprises. The challenge, really, is
    to get her to the expectation of the
    owner.” The expectation of the owner was
    to “Preserve the heritage of the ship and
    to make it look completely pristine”

    Another challenge was maintaining the
    operational aspects of the equipment
    while also upgrading the looks. For example,
    the mooring bits take quite a bit
    of load and it was not wanted that they
    just replace them out with stainless steel
    piping and plate; that would not have the
    equivalent strength. So they clad the existing
    bitts with stainless steel sheeting,
    and then welded new top plates on them,
    making them look like they are fully
    stainless but the full steel structure is still
    there.The engine room, with its original
    Wärtsilä-Sulzer RD56-8 diesels, posed a
    dual challenge, first and foremost regarding
    the sheer size and surface areas
    (70,000 sq. ft.) of the spaces, but also the
    fact that it would remain in full operation.
    “There was no way we could just waterblast
    or sand all of the paint off of the
    equipment, bulkheads and piping,”
    Alpers said. “In the end, we located an
    environmentally friendly paint stripper
    that was not solvent based that we could
    use throughout the engine room spaces
    without creating dust or fire hazards …
    this was really key to getting the machinery
    spaces into a pristine condition.”

    This included using 15 different sandpaper
    grits to help uncover and ultimately
    restore many of the brass highlights present
    but covered for decades by paint.

    The renovations also included an environmentally
    friendly hull treatment, a
    non-toxic glass flake epoxy system with
    no environmental impact. This provides
    a very hard coating which makes it difficult
    for marine growth to adhere.

    Today the ship accommodates 340 passengers
    in 125 cabins and carries 256
    crew. Renovations complete, the story of
    M/V Freewinds begins again.
  23. Random guy Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Even counting the slave labour, that must have costed a bit.
  24. Magoo Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    37 years is a damn long time for an ocean going vessel to be in service, icebreaker or not.

    Reading the above posts, it sounds like all they did was give it a once over with a fresh coat of paint rather then a full and proper refit. I suppose like everything else the CoS does, it's a bodge job.

    And whilst the worst of the Asbestos might have been removed (look out for much higher then normal rates of lung cancer in sea org staff), outside of a complete stripping out down to the bare skeleton of the ship, some will remain and contrary to Captain Victor Howard of the Port of Cartagena's assertion that there was no risk could still cause serious health issues in all who sail in her.

    This ship should have been scrapped.
  25. basil Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Wait, what? Freewinds is more luxurious than the QE2 was?
  26. Shalashar Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    ftfy.

    Currently being used as a floating hotel in Dubai.

    But yeah, I have to admit I had a chuckle when I read that.
  27. Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    nevermind
  28. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    This must be damage limitation by CoS. Not a word about asbestos!! Her refit cost at least $24 million, maybe a lot more, but a new ship would have cost $100 million. And it was not done for love but because DNV detected eroded hull structures.

    There has never been any confirmation that the asbestos has been removed or properly treated. Lawrence Woodcraft does not believe it is possible to strip it all out, and he has seen it and ought to know. The onus is on them to produce reports showing it is clean and they have never done this.

    This is not only the result of the $4 million refit in Cartagena, completed March 2009 which involved cabins but a lot of other work done in Curacao in 2008 by the drydock company , by Nordica Engineering, by Airquest of Florida ($2 million to remove asbestos), and by the Swedish comany AB TSI who did the public areas. TSI have the most bad-taste concentrated in a single website that I have ever seen. Think casino. Think 1960s.

    Test of the pudding is in the eating. December 2008: 2 cruises calling in at Aruba, total passengers 154. January - April 2009 - no signs of life,. Aruba one call in May (77 passengers), St Kitts in June with 64, Aruba in July with 89 and again in August with 73. Aruba again in September: three visits, total 266, average of 89 per cruise. I'm waiting for the October summary from arubabycruise.com. If they used to get 250 per week, this is about 11 per cent of average.

    People are perhaps unwilling to swap eternity for mesothelioma in this life.

    She should certainly have been scrapped.
  29. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    The Maritime Reporter article is a puff for TSI and the Colombian Reyes. Turns out billions of dollars of work was done (as we have always thought) by SO (and RPF?):

    Why am I not surprised?
  30. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Tillberg Design (US) turns out to be another Fort Lauderdale company, like little Airquest who handled the asbestos.

    Anyone know of any Scientology links?
  31. xenubarb Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    How many fucking refits and upgrades has that tub gone through in the past four years?
  32. andonanon Member

  33. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Good find. TT is keen!

    So what about Jon Rusten, COO and VP Development, Ocean Development Group, also Fort Lauderdale and Miami?

    None of these characters, including the Captain, the Master or all the crew believe asbestos is harmful.

    Here's another name to look at: Ben Garner, the chief engineer on the rustbucket.
  34. andonanon Member

  35. andonanon Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Haven't found anything on Jon Rusten yet.
  36. andonanon Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    The crew's contribution to the retrofit consisted of breathing in lungs full of asbestos and then trying to exhale it over the railing.
  37. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Whole lot of little snakes coming out of the woodpile. I didn't find Jon Rusten either.

    I imagine Carlos H Reyes is another snake. Is this the same as the architect in charge of the Colombian refit? Is he now operating in the US? Edited to say: yes it is, and he has been in the US for a long time.

    From earlier post: "The project is supervised by Carlos Hernando Reyes, an architect from Bogota, who graduated from the University of La Salle, with extensive experience in the design and planning of five-star hotels. This project could lead to Cartagena with other Caribbean islands doing this class of jobs for cruise lines that ply this river basin (coast?), such as Curacao and The Bahamas."
  38. auchraw Member

    Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    Carlos Reyes did a lot of Scientology courses (I was looking at 1989) but it is perhaps a common name. OTOH in such company it would be odd if he were not one of the faithful.
  39. Re: Freewinds refit in Colombia

    fify

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