Re: CNN American Morning - Scientology Trial In France Cool...almost a 4 minute segment. Making a vid that youtube will make look crappy as we speak
Re: French trial: the media THIS Scientology is 100% predictable in its use of mainstream media. Chanology has never had such an opportunity before.
Re: French trial: the media Scientology Policy Directive 13 March 1996: Return of Donations It looks like that statement by a staff member about refunds is void.
Re: French trial: the media Never understood why "donations" are fixed price anyway. Surely a donation is optional and to the value of whatever the giver places upon it; otherwise it's a charge for a service?
Re: French trial: the media Scientology will be pushing the 'we refund to anybody that's unhappy!' pr blitz heavy to defend against the case. We need to make sure every journalist who hears that lie sees this document. I hope the lawyers in the case have a copy too, though I'd caution against wasting their precious time flooding them with copies. EDIT- another talking point the CoS is pushing is that this case is 'just one person' (after having bought off or scared off the other plaintiffs). NOW is the time for ALL the exes (with their new-found confidence and security) to raise hell and make it clear that unsatisfied ex-scientologists are NOT a rarity. edit2 - seriously, the more I think about this, the more Scientology wants us distracted right now. They're *EXTREMELY* vulnerable. All our work has led to this point - but the cart's almost to the top of the hill. Now is the time to push the hardest. We know how to defeat them. We've spent the last year studying them. We've leaked their documents, we've read their confidential materials, we've helped solidify the network of exes, and liberated a new wave. We have EXACTLY the right resources to hurt the cult the most right now. Even if France *DOES* ban Scientology, that won't be the end of the battle. They're going to cry religious prosecution and play off on american hatred of france. They're going to go patriotic and say 'Freedom of Religion is what makes America great!' And if they somehow get the case dismissed, they'll parade that as vindication. We need to get planning NOW. We need to get this shit ready, we've got a HUGE strategic advantage and we're all sitting around watching the TUBE, hoping CNN will tell us about the battle when we ought to be flanking the enemy and planning the next steps.
Re: CNN American Morning - Scientology Trial In France I lied...it is just under 3 minutes. YouTube - Scilon trial in France
Re: French trial: the media Scientology defendant Jean-François Valli had a hard time on the witness stand Tuesday. Procès de la Scientologie : "Ils m’ont démolie. C’est de la manipulation mentale" Scientology trial: "They demolished me. It's mental manipulation." Quick translation: When asked about money and cost, Jean-François Valli is not comfortable. His hands on the dock, he stutters, stammers, has difficulty finding the right words. Seeing him struggle on May 26 before the Paris correctional tribunal in the trial that began the day before and will judge him and six other followers of the Church of Scientology on a charge of organized fraud, one wonders how this former "guidance counselor" could have, for ten years, helped "parishioners" achieve purification. "Without money, can a person progress in Scientology?" insisted Olivier Morice, lawyer for the plaintiffs. "Uh... With Scientology, you acquire a better understanding of yourself and you are then able to progress in life and then have the means to reach the goal," stuttered the Scientologist who joined in 1989. "But, for example, how does a person who earns the minimum wage go about this?" Nicolas Baïetto asked again on behalf of the public prosecutor. "I thought I already gave an answer. Scientology teaches how to understand life", was the elusive reply given by this disciple for whom the writings of Ron Hubbard are a substitute for currency. [rest of article omitted; summarizes Aude-Claire Malton's May 26 testimony.]
Re: French trial: the media CNN in the US just had a little story on CNN American Morning YouTube - Scilon trial in France Just under 3 minutes long
Re: French trial: the media Should we set a designated French contact who can send documents to the court or the lawyers in case we have access to documents which prove that the Scientologists are lying? Would that have to wait until appeal? A fixed donation is in fact a payment for services or goods rendered. If you go to tax court and try to call such payments a "donation", the court is not going to respect your fictional representation of reality.
Re: CNN American Morning - Scientology Trial In France Thanks for that. It seems every couple months for the past year scn has some huge flap of some description, OSA's PR and legal divisions must be pissing themselves.
Re: French trial: the media [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCfhysbBwlk&fmt=18]YouTube - Scientology on trial in France - RTE news 26th May 2009[/ame]
Re: French trial: the media Ruth Gledhill of the Times covers it nicely, giving a "heads up" to Anonymous several times too Featuring the video that started it all, and our message to Scientology. Ruth Gledhill - Times Online - WBLG: Oh Church of Scientology, pray what art thou?
Re: CNN American Morning - Scientology Trial In France Sweet. Got my fingers crossed that France shuts the cult down.
Re: CNN American Morning - Scientology Trial In France It doesn't matter what the decision in France is now. Mud has been thrown and it sticks when it's CNN mud. LOL
Re: CNN American Morning - Scientology Trial In France I like how he says there are 45,000 Scientologists in France....really? 45,000? In the US its 25,000 so how does France have more? OH WAIT!!! be awesome if prosecution asked them the number to show how they lie about everything....and fraud is more likely.....i still think this case will be a win for the scilons.
Re: CNN American Morning - Scientology Trial In France Thanks for the video. Nice way to start my day.
Re: French trial: the media Here is a direct link to the story on CNN. No doubt the youtube like will still be there long after CNN moves the story off the front page! Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
Re: French trial: the media Ironically, after Mignon made that silly statement, two things happened. Kaja Ballo committed suicide after taking a Free Personality Test. And Frenchwoman Martine Boubil was rescued from a Sardinian residence after being held against her will by Scientologists subjecting her to the Introspection Rundown. Her dramatic rescue resulted after she wrote notes in lipstick and threw them out her window into the neighbor's garden. Police found her being held in squalor, and she is said to be intending to press charges. Nope, no cult problems in France, nuh-uh.
Re: French trial: the media I love the angle they took asking them on the stand about how someone progress' on minimum wage. Perfect! Anyone making any amount of money can be part of a religion. Even if its a tithe religion its still just a percentage of what they make, so 20% say of minimum wage....while Scientology still demands hundreds of thousands from someone that will never have the money to pay for it, but be constantly told they MUST have it to be saved....GENIUS PROSECUTION! Viva la Guillotine!
Re: French trial: the media Surely not these? Kk,ending derailure, carry on, nothing to see here...... *whistles*
Re: CNN American Morning - Scientology Trial In France Nice neutral reporting so far. Lets hope this continues and doesn't descend it to the evil French repression of religion kind of reporting you know the scilons will be aiming for.
Re: French trial: the media Which new article was it that originally had the interview with the French Scientologist where she claimed they offered full refunds? I believe someone ought to acquire their email and forward this document...
Re: French trial: the media That was a paraphrase from the More4News video report. By the way: Don't comment on the TimesOnline blog before you've read the other comments. Due to the moderation delay, there are some points which are getting repeated - which is boring.
French mag - VSD - feature on the CoS May09 The first of the following articles appeared in a French weekly magazine, VSD, last week, and the other in VSD in February 2008. I've included links to the pdfs if you can't read the jpgs. Of course, for those of us who don't read french, we'll have to pray for translations to appear, or else just enjoy the pretty pics and imagine how epic the articles are. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zlzncjymtwl http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?gthiyndj5wi
Re: French trial: the media FTR the defense attorney, Me Morice is also the attorney of UNAFI, the national umbrella of cults victims deense associations. I am very confident that they have the relevant information, except perhaps the latest leaks. But if you want to make sure, I guess that kind emails can be send to UNADFI.
Re: French trial: the media Yeah, well here's the companion document to that one. Note the following clause: Page 2 just has the CSI signoff. PDF here: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=42fd39516a12b371d2db6fb9a8902bda
Re: French trial: the media Hey! The French story is on CNN today! Have a look two plaintiffs are still making the case while others have been paid off by Co$ to withdraw their cases.
Re: French trial: the media Unfortunately the http://www.unadfi.org site has no contact email. Anyway you can be sure that the defense knows what's going on. Roger Gonnet is with them and he knows a great deal about the cult.
Re: French trial: the media CNN [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-3hFxmEJg&feature=channel_page]YouTube - CNN : The Scientology Trial[/ame] or at CNN http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/05/27/bittermann.fr.scientology.trial.cnn
Re: French trial: the media Not sure if it's been posted here, but The National Post has an article on it as well. No new information, but it still exsists: Church of Scientology faces fraud trial in France
Re: French trial: the media Well, hello! Hey, media, if you wanted a good time to sink your fangs into Scientology, this is it.
Re: French trial: the media [From a.r.s. Rick Ross on France24 English TV about $cientology. Woohoooo!] Bonjour! A one-hour debate slot had a discussion about general issues about the interface between the criminal roganisation known as the "church" <spit> of $cientology and civil society in the form of the court trial underway. Rick Ross was on the phone, a French politician Jacques Myard (who had served on several comissions on cult maytters), a sociologist from Aix en Privince and some random "Internet Activist" (who, if I'm lucky, will continue to be billed as "Jens Tingeff" ;-) ). Eventually it probably will wind up here: France 24 | The F24 Debate | France 24 Rick Ross was outstanding, the French politician was full of the spirit and would not let the sociologist derail the debate. The "Internet Activist" said "Criminal organisation" once or twice, said "Organisation" the rest of the time and did manage to remember Judge Casey Hill versus the $cientology organisation (Yes, the $cientology organisation has criminal convictions) and tried to pay sufficient respect to the memory of Jett Travolta (the journalist had to mention the propaganda value of having celebrities being vocal about their successes in the Co$). Jacques Myard held the line and nailed home the point that the court case (and the work of the government) was aimed at curtailing the criminal activities of organisations even of they call themselves "religions." The sociologist was off topic. He would say (every time he got the word) that he agreed with putting criminals to trial, and then went on for as long as he was allowed about how it was not very nice that the French government had a list of cults, and how France was obsessed with distinguishing between "proper" religions and poor misunderstood NRMs who might have a few unhappy ex-members but several of which had no criminal convictions. Rick Ross was the winner. Go, Rick!! Best Regards Jens
