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Fundamentalist IS forming new membership group

Discussion in 'Independent Scientology' started by Anonymous, Apr 11, 2013.

  1. Anonymous Member

    Fundamentalist Independent Scientologists forming new membership group.

    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/433-creating-a-true-group
    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/433-creating-a-true-group#comment-1169
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  2. Anonymous Member

    "or disseminate Scientology"
    here we go again
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  3. Anonymous Member

    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/433-creating-a-true-group#comment-1171
  4. wolfbane Member

    tl;dr -

    We are putting the group-think back into the practice of Scientology outside the official church, along with all the other things the official church does that we currently lack. And we expect things to end differently because we refuse to see that the "correct why" is Hubbard's tech, Hubbard's moral codes and/or Hubbard's admin policies.

    inb4-members-only-website launches where the "open comm lines" are hidden from anyone outside the group. This will of course foster yet another "us vs. them" separatist environment. And that will lead to the inevitable "you are either 100% with us or against us" mindset where disconnection via PTS/SP tech reigns supreme.

    EDIT: Methinks we will need more than one auxiliary label for Indies now. Independent Scientology, Fundamental Independent Scientology and perhaps Orthodox Fundamental Independent Scientology. Because lawl, Xenu only knows any size-able group of Indies will not be able to agree what exactly is original standard tech vs. what isn't.
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  5. Anonymous Member

    Moonbats 1
    Moonbats 2?
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  6. OT X - Cogniting that you were totally conned and have been self-hypnotizing since the 'Power Process.' Just say it out loud to yourself and acknowledge yourself.
    Now, that was't so hard, was it?
  7. Anonymous Member

    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/433-creating-a-true-group#comment-1177
    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/433-creating-a-true-group#comment-1179
  8. fishypants Moderator

    Is it possible to 'like' a post more than once?
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  9. Anonymous Member

    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/433-creating-a-true-group#comment-1190
  10. DeathHamster Member

    And so it begins.
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  11. DeathHamster Member

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  12. This will be most interesting - watching this group evolve.

    Many of us have said all along that the subject simply cannot survive outside the strict discipline of the church structure. Once given freedom of information and association - people simply drift away. They see that there is a whole world out there that doesn't give a shit about Hubbards lies and delusions. Its even happening to Marty.

    It will all start off with good intentions but abuse, "putting ethics in" on each other and disconnection will not be far away. And the whole group will fracture because there is nothing keeping any of them there.

    I am watching this closely, I suspect lulz might be imminent.
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  13. Anonymous Member

    "Evolve" or devolve? I perceive a slow steady pace of degeneration.

    Good point about a failing survival of the dogma outside the rigidly structured dogma.

    And there already is lulz watching the likes of Mr. Rathbun flailing around desperately trying to rescue himself from his own stupidity.

    I perceive desperation in all the camps/factions/splinter groups.
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  14. Anonymous Member

    According to Hassan, one of the hardest and painful part of getting out of a cult is leaving your cult identity behind. These Indie fools miss the rigid structure of being told what to think, feel, act, and say, they miss the sense of purpose (as twisted as it is), resulting in their obvious desperation. Scientology's DNA includes systematic abuse and rigid information control, which makes it hard for any one group to stay cohesive if absent. This is why splinter groups rarely succeed for long.

    Yes, there may be a few on message boards that claim hundreds of free-zoner-types or trained auditors but I haven't seen too much dox on this outside of what a few zoner-geeks profess on ESMB.

    The bigger problem is these people continuing the medical quackery. I really wish the IRS would strip them of that bullshit religious status crap and then the medical community could swoop in and dismantle their dangerous shit.
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  15. Anonymous Member

    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/433-creating-a-true-group#comment-1235
  16. Anonymous Member

    The mantra for OTX cognition:

    Owa-tagoo-siam
  17. Anonymous Member

    Ralph Hlton attacks Marty, joins Fundamentalist Independent Scientology

    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/435-a-note-from-the-c-s#comment-1304
    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/435-a-note-from-the-c-s#comment-1319
  18. And why do you think that is, Ralph? It's all bogus - no such thing as a clear let alone an OT. As Jason Beghe says"just show me one"

    Why do you think Rathbun is drifting away Ralph?
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  19. Anonymous Member

    Fundamentalist Independent Scientologist Ingrid Smith endorses KSW 7 - 10
    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/435-a-note-from-the-c-s#comment-1322
    In anyone needs a reminder, KSW 7 - 10 includes:
    Ron explains that when faced with an allegation that the Tech doesn't work:
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  20. Anonymous Member

    [WARNING: The following cross-post from ESMB may be a bit "techy" for WWP. Or it may make you hurl. You have been warned. It is being cross-posted not because of the "tech" issues, but because it reveals some of the personalities, conflicts and commercial issues involved. As always, YMMV.]

    Will the Fundamentalist ISists approve Ralph Hilton auditing over Skype?

    In the same comment in which he attacks Marty for being insufficiently KSW, Ralph Hilton raises the issue of auditing over Skype:

    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/435-a-note-from-the-c-s#comment-1319
    Interestingly, Marty has strongly rejected auditing over Skype:

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/wins-before-the-2nd-storm-of-2011/#comment-109193
    Of course, Logan is now with the Fundamentalist IS blog....

    Marty later made a blog post on the issue:

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/the-king-of-the-squirrels/
    So, will the Fundamentalist Scientologists on the iScientology Blog approve Ralph Hilton's practice of auditing over Skype? That is, will the Fundamentalist Scientologists on the iScientology Blog be, perhaps for monetary reasons or reasons of convenience and commerce, less fundamentalist, and indeed less KSW, on this particular issue than Marty?
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  21. I really don't know why anyone gives credence to Marty's comments when it comes to auditing or the glorious smell called the tech. I think his unfortunate high profile (and his incessant blubbering about dead Asian men that used big words) gives the impression that he's an expert.

    So it is strange that Marty's "opinion" on the whole Skype thing triggered such a retarded controversy. But I suppose that the lemmings sadly need someone to be 'Daddy' until they can start to think for themselves. Sad.
  22. CarterUSP Member

    Poor indies. They miss being part of a large group with some money and muscle behind them now they're gathering together with grandiose plans about being tough and KSW again. What muscle do they have left to enforce KSW on each other? Unfriending on facebook? Trashing each other on their little blogs? Postulating lightning bolts at each other?
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  23. rickybobby Member

    Thanks for documenting for us this very public, slow-motion trainwreck. I know most people on WWP probably are not interested in this level of detail, but I find the evolution of this schism fascinating to read as it happens. This struggle is also the history of Scientology as told through those who are experiencing it, in real time. These people are the human debris of a bad cult, thrashing about to make some sense of their world through their fucked up belief system. One faction has chosen to remain open to other belief systems and expand their knowledge base in the process of growth, while the other has decided to clap their hands over their ears and yell "la-la-la-la I can't hear you!" when confronted with new ideas outside the cult.

    Since Marty certainly comes across as a dick, I am somewhat surprised that he is taking the more open and exploratory approach to processing. I think he is honest about his beliefs in his writing, because he does not gain anything by pissing off a goodly size chunk of what were his ardent followers. And yes, as someone else has pointed out, his level of sophistication is pretty low-- many of his posts remind me of pot-fueled all night long philosphical discussions from my high school and college years when we all thought we were brilliantly dissecting the secrets of the universe-- but he's been deeply sequestered in a sick cult for a long time and has a lot of catching up to do. I am holding out hope that he will, eventually, reach a healthy enough level of self awareness that will lead him to the understanding that he needs to atone for some of his more egregious actions.

    I am hopeful because he appears to have a genuine interest in personal growth and is not just shutting his ears, but is doing research and trying these ideas on for size. That means his world will get larger and larger, while the fundies world will just keep shrinking. They will find they are spending increasing amounts of time arguing over useless, timewasting crap like skype auditing. Their minds are closed, and they had to detach so they could continue to block out reality just like the church forced them to do for so very long. So sad.
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  24. fishypants Moderator

    Writing really really long self-satisfied petulant screeds against one another on their soon-to-be-multididinous factionalised blogs.

    That gets my money.
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  25. rickybobby Member

    Whatever it is, it sure won't involve direct confrontation. That is the most passive-aggressive group of people I've seen in a long time.
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  26. DeathHamster Member

    Imagine two groups of Indy Squirrel-Busters head-camming each other...
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  27. CarterUSP Member

    Or two groups of opposing squirrel busters bullbaiting each other. I'd pay to see that. Not a lot, mind you.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    Fundamentalist ISists Steve Hall, SKM and Ingrid Smith want to put ethics in on RTC
    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/435-a-note-from-the-c-s#comment-1326
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