Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response David The Dwarf has only done one TV interview, ever. He refuses to do any more considering he came off as a douche against Koppel. Also, srsly, read the thread first and THEN post. (The polite way of saying Lurk Moar)
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response Tommy just can't / won't / is under orders not to STFU. Scientology ‘in denial’ of illness, says Travolta’s mentor - Times Online SPOILER ALERT!!! Tommy Davis, son of the Scientologist actress Anne Archer and head of the church’s Celebrity Center in Los Angeles, challenged Christman’s claims. “I personally know two Scientologists who suffer from epilepsy who take some drugs to treat it, because although it may have a neurological aspect it is also a physical medical condition. And we insist that all people coming into the church have a thorough checkup by their own doctors before they join us. We do not have any policy on conditions like autism, either way. Our questions about psychiatric treatments are well known, but there is no conflict between taking drugs for physical conditions and progress through the church.”
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response Tommy just can't / won't / is under orders not to STFU. Scientology ‘in denial’ of illness, says Travolta’s mentor - Times Online SPOILER ALERT!!! Tommy Davis, son of the Scientologist actress Anne Archer and head of the church’s Celebrity Center in Los Angeles, challenged Christman’s claims. “I personally know two Scientologists who suffer from epilepsy who take some drugs to treat it, because although it may have a neurological aspect it is also a physical medical condition. And we insist that all people coming into the church have a thorough checkup by their own doctors before they join us. We do not have any policy on conditions like autism, either way. Our questions about psychiatric treatments are well known, but there is no conflict between taking drugs for physical conditions and progress through the church.”
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response And they have no one better. No. One. Better. Hear me now and think about it later.
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response so now that someone prominent enough in the general American news media has died in the same manner as hundreds of other members, the cult is reinterpreting what it has been advocating since its conception in the 50s?
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response It's a fail defence for Tommy to talk about reinterpretation of Scientology policy etc. 1) It's too complicated as a defensive argument for tv audiences. 2) It's too complicated as a defensive argument for tv audiences. 3) It's a lie anyway. Is that the best they can do? Really?
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response i don't think he actually openly stated that they were reinterpreting the text, but for those that have read or heard interviews with former members speaking about the policies and viewpoints of the church on certain illnesses, the Davis interviews certainly elude to them putting a new spin on old "tech" to quell a media storm of investigations. essentially, now that the public at large has a potential reason to look a little more closely at the policies held by this group, they are frantically scurrying to try and put a lid on story and start denying what rumor and innuendo have started saying before the rumors become official allegations. Jett (may he find rest) was cremated with no autopsy having been preformed, which means it will never really be known what the true story is. im not sure if an autopsy would have stated conclusively if he was in fact autistic or not (certainly not if the doctor was a cult member) if a cult member dies because of what they teach, sweep it under the rug, and badger the family that is calling for investigations. if a celebrity member dies from it, don't give a reason for an investigation and begin a spin campaign as soon as possible. that's probably a paraphrase of a cult memorandum somewhere.
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response Oh, Tommy! You're giving us gold. Seriously. Scientology's Introspection Rundown Release Contract I think we should remind Tommy what they really have to do before coming into the organization.
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response Tommy is also violating sacred Hubbard gospel by talking to reporters, so you can call him a "squirrel" (a very bad term in Scientology, approx equivalent to marblecake or LE on here). This thread... http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/scientology-spokesholes-media-36123/ PLUS This is about the degarded beings point: (quoted for illustration) *********************************** "Degraded beings are about 18 to 1 over Big Beings in the human race (minimum ratio)." -- L. Ron Hubbard (HCOB 22 Mar 1967) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 22 MARCH 1967 Remimeo Level 0 IMPORTANT ADMIN KNOW-HOW ALTER-IS AND DEGRADED BEINGS Alteration of orders and tech is worse than non-compliance. Alter-is is a covert avoidance of an order. Although it is apparently often brought about by non-comprehension, the non-comprehension itself and failure to mention it, is an avoidance of orders. Very degraded beings alter-is. Degraded ones refuse to comply without mentioning it. Beings in fair condition try to comply but remark their troubles to get help: when needed. Competent higher toned beings understand orders and comply if possible but mainly do their jobs without needing lots of special orders. Degraded beings find any instruction painful as they have been painfully indoctrinated with violent measures in the past. They therefore alter-is any order or don't comply. Thus in auditing pcs or in org, where you find alter-is (covert non-compliance) and non-compliance, given sensible and correct tech or instructions, you are dealing with a degraded low level being and should act accordingly. One uses very simple low level processes on a degraded being, gently. In admin, orgs and especially the Tech Div where a staff member alter-ises, or fails to comply you are also dealing with a degraded being but one who is too much a pc to be a staff member. He cannot be at cause and staff members must be at cause. So he or she should not be on staff. This is a primary senior datum regulating all handling of pcs and staff members. A degraded being is not a suppressive as he can have case gain. But he is so PTS that he works for suppressives only. He is sort of a super-continual PTS beyond the reach really of a simple S & D and handled only at Sect 3 OT Course. Degraded beings, taking a cue from SP associates, instinctively resent, hate and seek to obstruct any person in charge of anything or any Big Being. Anyone issuing sensible orders is the first one resented by a degraded being. A degraded being lies to his seniors, avoids orders covertly by alter-is, fails to comply, supplies only complex ideas that can't ever work (obstructive) and is a general area of enturbulence, often mild seeming or even "cooperative" often even flattering, sometimes merely dull but consistently alter-ising or non-complying. This datum appeared during higher level research and is highly revelatory of earlier unexplained phenomena - the pc who changes commands or doesn't do them, the worker who can't get it straight or who is always on a tea break. In an area where suppression has been very heavy for long periods people become degraded beings. However, they must have been so before already due to track incidents. Some thetans are bigger than others. None are truly equal. But the degraded being is not necessarily a natively bad thetan. He is simply so PTS and has been for so long that it requires our highest level tech to finally undo it after he has scaled up all our grades. Degraded beings are about 18 to 1 over Big Beings in the human race (minimum ratio). So those who keep things going are few. And those who will make it without the steam of the few in our orgs behind them are zero. At the same time, we can't have a world full of them and still make it. So we have no choice. And we can handle them even when they cannot serve at higher levels. This is really OT data but we need it at lower levels to get the job done. L. RON HUBBARD Founder
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response I was just thinking the same and beginning a txt to voice script... -------------- In an article published by the (London) Times Online today, spokes-being Tommy Davis made the following statement... “I personally know two Scientologists who suffer from epilepsy who take some drugs to treat it, because although it may have a neurological aspect it is also a physical medical condition. And we insist that all people coming into the church have a thorough checkup by their own doctors before they join us. We do not have any policy on conditions like autism, either way. Our questions about psychiatric treatments are well known, but there is no conflict between taking drugs for physical conditions and progress through the church.” In response to these statements, Anonymous would like to take this moment to first pause and laugh. (insert laugh track located here: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/6185/roflsnrt.wav ) {{Pause=0.25}} Terribly sorry for that, but sometimes even a robotic voice has to laugh. {{Pause=1}} Now that it has passed, the time has come to point out the simple inconsistencies and weasel word phrasing embedded in the not very cleverly propagandistic rebuttal to the story by Mr. Davis. {{Pause=1}} In his statement, the spokes-being for Scientology states that he "personally knows two Scientologists who suffer from epilepsy who take some drugs to treat it." {{Pause=1}} What Mister Davis fails to make clear is whether or not by "drug" he means doctor per-scribed anti-seizure medication, or if in fact he means "advisor" to the celebrities "drugs," per-scribed by someone such as Tom Cruise's Scientologist health guru Ms. Feline Butcher. No, I'm sorry to say that her name isn't a joke ladies and gentlemen. You should be ashamed of yourselves for laughing at the poor woman! Her parents apparently anticipated her latter day personality development, despite her recently having been found "not guilty on all charges" by the Los Angeles Superior Court. {{Pause=0.5}} In any case, Mister Davis' statement was typically fast and loose with words. His failure whether what he meant by the word "drugs" was in fact what the world external to the writings of L. Ron Hubbard assumed is normally meant in daily conversation. --------- Hack, slash, burn, edit, toss etc as desired. Just thinking we need to point out the double meaning of non-specific words in his vocabulary PLUS the very HUGE FOOTBULLET of the "informed consent, you can't sue us, we're not 'sponsible if you die" contract. Maybe if we beat him with a bigger stick he'll blow because of competing desire to STFU and stop being ridiculed, or perhaps he'll anhero because of the pressure from above. Either way it's a win. Discuss Edit: I considered "spokes-thetan" too. I mean we might as well use their jingo to demonstrate the use of words to obfuscate / control context / denigrate by implication.
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response Genius video. Also epic soundtrack. It carries the Charles Atlas seal of approval.
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response LRonAnon, you really are very good at this video thing. AWESOME work. I especially fell for the soundtrack.
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response LRonAnon, this is a great thread. I have an idea for some short YT vids of Scn auditors talking. Follow me here. In the larger context, Jett's death placed Scientology at yet another crossroads where it could choose to tell the truth or lie. As usual, the Cult decided to split the difference. The Cult told sorta the truth while withholding extremely important facts about its policies. For example, and has been discussed: 1. Yes, Scientologists can take medicine -- but then they are not sessionable. One aspirin = 24 hours that one is not sessionable. Major drug, non-psych: six weeks out of session. Auditors talk amongst themselves. A short video could have two auditors (played by actors) talking: Auditor A: "I have a pc out on a six-weeker. Depakote you know. If they would just get their PTSness handled, they wouldn't have seizures!" B: "Wow, PTS/SPness always hurts our stats. I had two pc's off course last week for 48 hours because of Mydol. They are women and just can't handle their periods. Women dramatize menstruating you know. A: Didn't LRH say that menstruation was an implant? B. Don't go verbal on me! I don't want to write a KR on you. Anyway, yeah, medicines hurt our stats because they keep pc's out of session. A. But what about the flapiness with Scientologists not being allowed to take medications? (Cut to Tommy Davis video) ***** LRonAnon, if this is a project you want to work on, e-mail me. I can help script it. I would like to do a PR vs. Real Life in CoS series of YT. scienowriter@gmail.com /////
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response O HAI, J. SWIFT! We was just talking about you... http://forums.whyweprotest.net/38-thunderdome/how-full-shit-j-swift-36253/
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response Make this go viral! EPIC VIDEO! ^ /r/ shoop of Tommy Davis' head on that guy.
Re: Gentlemen -Tommy Davis and Our Response “I personally know two Scientologists who suffer from epilepsy who take some drugs to treat it, because although it may have a neurological aspect it is also a physical medical condition. And we insist that all people coming into the church have a thorough checkup by their own doctors before they join us. We do not have any policy on conditions like autism, either way. Our questions about psychiatric treatments are well known, but there is no conflict between taking drugs for physical conditions and progress through the church.” 20 internets to the first person who gets a scilon on tape saying that a getting a checkup from a doctor is NOT required to join the cult.
