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German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!!!

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by NeoAnon-Hamburg, May 14, 2008.

  1. anonnews Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Deutsch für unsere Brüder: ausgezeichnete!
  2. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    I just saw it. Thanks for putting it online.
  3. avatar2008 Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    That's because they're using a story based on the 1st person perspective of an infiltrator.

    The US media is still at the story board level of "big story is big, now what?" level.
  4. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Just for the sake of clarity, there are three documents related to this story:

    - A short interview with Fredy Gerais on the Stern TV site (German transcription and English translation provided above )

    - A 20 minutes program on Stern TV with footage and an interview with Fredy Gerais (German version on Vimeo, English version to come)

    - A 4 pages article by Fredy Gerais in Stern magazine (to come today).
  5. DarkSim Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Ah, can't wait for this! Can additional info be added to the OP?
  6. riba Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    If anyone can provide me the video, I'll do the subtitles.
  7. John_Doe Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    it's already linked in this thread:
  8. LRonAnon Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Nope!

    :roll:
  9. riba Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    And how do I download it?
  10. John_Doe Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    lower right corner "download as wmv"
  11. PLyTheMan Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    WIN WIN AND WIN AGAIN!

    God I love Germany. Can't wait for the English version for us Americans that can't be bothered to learn another language =P.
  12. Amnon Nhymous Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    I love english subtitles! ;)

    They infiltrated German govt ? I prefer eggs.
  13. Anonakitty Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    fuck yeah , absolute win.
  14. Plups Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Yippee! Glee! This is magnificent and thrilling and I'm in danger of wetting my pants with excitement!
  15. anon11 Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    KNIESCHUSS!
  16. SaintNona Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    This just in - I suck cocks.
  17. str Member

  18. Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Answer: American Co$ lawyers and quaking in their boots media cowardly tycoons.
  19. Amnon Nhymous Member

  20. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Thanks
  21. Krautfag Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Anyone at the translation already? I can help if needed.
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  23. Krautfag Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    It's a quote from the end of the article, where one scilon says:

    "We're like Rottweilers, we won't let go" after heavy pushing on the author to either handle or disconnect his (fake) girlfriend.
  24. Amnon Nhymous Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Let's master these rottweilers.
  25. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    If you want, you can open a new thread in the German subforum.

    If you do so, I suggest that you prepare a table in the OP documenting who does which page.

    If you don't feel like making the final document, state it in the OP.
  26. Ten Tigers Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Heh... Who's the pack leader NOW, BITCH?! :twisted:
  27. str Member

  28. Krautfag Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Okay, here comes the first page:

    -----
    While the sun sets behind the Berlin scenery, Scientologists are celebrating a birthday. The 97th of their founder L. Ron Hubbard, died in 1986. Torches line the red carpet leading into the Scientology-Residency in Charlottenburg. The building at the Otto-Suhr-Allee is a complex of glass and steel, the Scientology-cross above the entrance. The Scientologists – dark suits, dresses – are jolly laughing in the foyer. Berlin, so is the internal saying, allegedly works ten times better than planned.And: Berlin is meant to grow even further.
    To the Scientologists I am Thorsten Brock, workless specialist in American studies, fan of Tom Cruise and his success. I pretend to live with my girlfriend in a 2-room-flat in the Prenzlauer Berg quarter. Sandra is against Scientology. For five months overall I have been able to hide my true identity .Have smuggled in a micro cam. I am a journalist and want to document what is really happening behind that glass front.
    About 250 Scientologists, among them obviously lots of newbies, have gathered on this saturday in the end of march. They want to reflect on the past year and set the marching route for the future. There will be a video from Los Angeles, then buffet on the 6th floor.
    On the 1st floor Irmi Tjarks, Executive Director Berlin, goes before the audience. Her red short hair is shimmering in the lights, her smile is bright. The former real estate agent has just been to the USA. She brought along her a gold cup, with a galopping horse on top. In the worldwide comparison of the Scientology-organizations – a yearly race for fixures, sales, stats – Berlin made the top. Allegedly. Not even the local Scientologists had been reckoning that. „The start for a new civilization“ says Irmi Tjarks „here in Berlin and in the whole of Germany.“ Stong applause. „And with that we gonna turn Europe around!“.
    Statements like that the general public doesn't get to hear usually. The video tape is about the expansion as well. David Miscavice, Ron Hubbard's successor, presents 13 new „orgs“ - that's how Scientologists call their „parish“ - as well as plans for Africe and China. Confidently he lays out the charactor of Scientology „We are a train without brakes, and we're even putting more coals into the fire.“ After leaviing the the room, I am being intercepted by someone in a dark suit. „I am Sören“, he says „Director personnel.“ Kennen wir uns? „No“, he replies smilingly „but I know of you – come along.“
    It started last year. A Scientologist called Corinna accosted me on the street right outside the Berlin Org. Tight white shirt, black trousers, crimped hair, 19 years old. She opened her mouth to a shining white smile and asked, whether I wouldn't like to come in. She was very nice, sweet even.
    So I went in and filled out a personality test. The result was „inacceptable“. All stats severely down. But they would be able to help. With a course called „Troubles of work.“ Pay rightaway, start now. Tom Cruise did that course too, they said.

    My provisional membership ID dates from the 22th of November 2007. Since then I did 4 courses, und the Scientologists tightened the circle around me. The phone rang more frequently, more often I was meant to come, and ever longer I was meant to stay. Four months that went on, first with a loose leash, that was strained always further – and now, on Hubbards birthday they wanted to get the catch into the boat. I was to be a part of the system.
    While the others are moving to the buffet, Sören leads me to the 2nd floor on the back stairs. The window is open, it's chilling. Sören is blond, in his early 20ies and suddenly has a form in his hand. „That's how an employee contract looks like“, he says, and his green eyes drill into me. He keeps eye contact till I turn away. A trick of the Scientologists. Who looks away, gives in. Sören wants me to sign.
    In my distress I pretend to be hungry, to evade Sören. On the 6th floor I am putting some salami on my plate, more is impossible, my stomach is a fist.When my plate is emtpy, Sören appears again, his hand behind his back. He won't take his eyes away from me. All other, who are relatively new, experience the same. They are being worked on by Scientologists with clipboards in their hands.It's about donations, course, staff work.

    -----

    Working on page 2 now

    Its on-the-fly translation so bear with my grammar and typos
  29. riba Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Oh, thanks. I thought Vimeo was a stream-only website like YouTube and therefore didn't even look for things like a download-link ;)

    I'll start right now.
  30. Plups Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    This is gripping stuff, Krautfag. Thanks.
  31. anon91-19 Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    can we get an OP update with relevant vids n info pls?
  32. indeedindeed Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    I'm translating 3rd page.
  33. Krautfag Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    page 2:

    -----
    Sören wants me to come with him to the 2nd floor again. He points to the contract and tells me that in contradiction to a normal company there is no pay. Company? I always thought they would denounce themselves as church. At some point Sören talks about his partents. They were against Scientology till he „handled“ them. A word I will encounter often. In Scientology-jargon it means: to win somebody for the cause. Time passes and it becomes more exhausting to fight off Sören. As I am leaving the building shortly before midnight it feels like peeling off a heavy coat.

    Tuesday, April 1st. On my way to the course Sören intercepts me in the foyer. „I want to show you a movie“, he says, „about the meaning of Berlin.“ Sören starts playing a DVD. The movie shows Kennedy, he speaks his famous words in front of Schöneberger Rathaus. Berlin has ethic presence, the movie argues, Berlin stands for freedom. Us against them, the movie narrates. And about the resistance they encounter. „So bad things we already had to experience in Germany“ Sören says. What bad things? „Scientologists have been tortured, to reprogram them.“ By whom? „By the church, secret service, Interpol. By those who have money.“
    Money is what they want as well. In the movie Hubbard appeals to push people into closings, to put them on courses, to sell them books: Don't be stopped. No matter what excuse they have. „Clear Deutschland!“ The movie ends with that. „Clear“ in Scientology means the liberation of the psyche from the subconscious. Sören switches off the tv and presents the workcontract to me. This is no job, he clarifies. This is a crusade.
    I hesitate. Sören alters his tactics. He shows me on the organigram positions I could work in. Org-security for instance. What are they doing? Sören's fingertips touch each other: „Press can write anythng“ he says „but someone has to leak this information – we find these people and put them to court.“
    I nod. I hear yelling: „Let me go! Let me go!“ It has to be in the room around the corner. I look at Sören askingly. Is that by chance? He only smiles und shrugs his shoulders. „I am expecting a decision till thursday, 2 pm“, he says.
    Wednesday, April 2nd. Courseroom. My current course is called „Selfanalysis.“ A mixture of philosophy, psychology, banalities and lies. The target: dressage to unresistancy. If I am not asking a question for 10 minutes, I am suspect. Then the course supervisor appears on my side, goes through my book, asks questions. Until the answer is congruent with Hubbard's demand. If I am looking out of the window for a bit, the course supervisor stands besides me again. Might say that I should use the „demokit“ - a bowl with some kind of building bricks – to receive „more mass“. If I don't do it, I am urged to it over and over again.
    I answer the question in the books and write essays. As long as I am using Hubbard's key words, everything is fine, then the rest can be the biggest rubbish.Any critical discourse about the content ends most likely like that: „who believes to know everything never learns the right thing.“ To end a course one has to get attached to the infamous „e-meter“, the central tool of the Scientologists, a sort of a lie-detector. One has to „attest“ to have understood everything. One gets a certificate and holds a speech in the courseroom. The applause does good to many. After to the „registrar“, pay for the next course. One of my first lessons was: Let yourself be controlled.

    I learn that you can heal diseases as a Scientologist. „Skin diseases too?“, I ask course supervisor Hermias. He: „Exactly.“ Me: „And if I continue: Can I then cure cancer?“ He: „Totally. You are then the cuase over the physical universe.“ Hermias isn't the only one telling me that so cloudedly. At what point, I think, does one stop to ask questions? At what point one starts to adopt that nonsense?
    Thursday, April 3rd. Sören's office. The recruitment form Sören gave me last time I didn't fill in. Ten pages of personal questions. For instance question 41: „Have you committed crimes you haven't been convicted of?“ Question 42: „Did you ever had anything to do with prostitution, homosexuality, illegal sex oder any sexual perversions? Please state with any incident with who, where and when it happened.“
    I tell Sören my girlfriend has found the papers and torn them apart. „Hm“, Sören says. „It's best you do a different course now.“ Immediately. „To overcome the ups and downs in life.“ 90 Euro and 50 Cent. „Do you have the money?“ Of course not. „I am unemployed.“
  34. Himbeertoni Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    i´m on page 4 but i´m not as fast as indeedindeed our professional translationfag!
  35. Amnon Nhymous Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Eh! The boomerang's coming back!

    Thanks for the translation!
  36. Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Danke sehr, Krautfag!
  37. Anonymous1001 Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    disregard, etc.
  38. indeedindeed Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    usual limitations with regards to quality, its a rough translation.

    page 3:

    Him: "Good, then get it. Because you need to become cause once more. You need to handle your girlfriend. And if not, one has to separate." So it's us against them. Sören looks me deep into they eyes. "Have you ever thought about whether your girlfriend is betraying you?" He then leads me to Philipp. Blond, hard eyes, about 30 years old. "Please take the cans in your hand." Again, the e-meter, the lie-detector.
    "Are you here to find stories for newspapers?" I try to laugh the question away with a bit of outrage. Just don't think of anything, don't put pressure on the cans of the e-meter. A small current flows through them, measuring skin resistance. If the needle [reacts] one sees that something is happening inside oneself, but not what it is.
    Primitive. My heart is beating. The other got control, I don't. "Is there something you don't tell me?" Again and again he is asking such questions. How long have I been in here now? My hands are cold and damp. I become aggressive. Want to get out. "You can tell me everything", says Philipp, "it stays with us". For every session there is a protocol. The most intimate secrets are being archived and when necessary used as means of pressure. "There is still something left" Philipp says and looks at me suspiciously as I leave.
    At home I need to drink a schnapps at first. The methods of the Scientologists go to the essence. To mentally seal oneself off is exhaustive. How long can one stand such a thing? Sören told me I should be home before my girlfriend. So she doesn't realize I was gone.
    Wednesday, april 9th. My phone rings until late in the night. It rings, then it's hungup. Again and again. For Scientologists the week ends at thursday 14 o' clock. At that time the performance of each organization is being analyzed. For the expansion the numbers have to grow. Everyone is under this pressure and passes it on.
    Thursday, april 10th. This morning it starts right away once more. I let it ring 20 times, before I pick up the phone. "Hello Thorsten, this is Carina. So when can you come in again?" Carina replaces Sören. I tell her I come at 14 o'clock anyway. "[Oh no], a little bit earlier." - "I need to get some things done before." - "We [will/may] also come where you are." - "No, that's a waste of time." - "There is a piece of paper you would need to sign. And it's definitely too late at two o'clock!" - "See you at two" I say and end the conversation. Two minutes later it rings once more.

    "We just want to get this done quickly, then our statistics go up, it has something to do with the size of the Org, so our influence on Berlin grows." As if there had been no previous phone call. "What kind of form is it?" Carina: "Ahem, I show you." When I ask her where she is, my heart stops beating for a moment: Even though I said no several times, they are already on their way to my part of town. We agree on the S-train station Bornholmer Straße as a meeting point. On the way to this my mobile rings five more times.
    In the station hall Carina and Cornelius demand of me to sign the working treaty now. Now. Carina is 19, Cornelius 21. They would easily outplay any competition in a group of hardsell doorstep salespeople. I tell them, that I don't want to do anything behind my girlfriend's back. Carina points at the treaty, in the hand a ball pen.
    "The signature would be a step in the right direction." I'm hesitating. "How if you would already enter your name in here? We won't enter a date yet." - "No. We will do it the way I want to." Carina: "I'm for another direction. Just enter your name here." And taps on the treaty once more. "[Just] take the ball pen." She tries to force me with her look. I keep my hands in my pockets. "[Just] take the ball pen now!"
  39. Anonymous1001 Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    Oh, to have an audio clip of that being spoken!
  40. Burnt2 Member

    Re: German magazine "STERN" publicates "Undercover at the Scientology-Church Berlin"!

    translators: thanks for your work.....that is really intense stuff

    am i right to understand that there will be subtitles to the video too?

    Thank goodness the German education system puts a heavy emphasis on learning other languages, unlike our luke-warm american education system

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