Glenn Greenwald is a target

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by Anonymous, Jul 5, 2013.

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    If you’re following the story of Greenwald’s partner getting detained, then you’re also getting a frightening looking into how easy it is to do effective propaganda. In the wake of the detention Greenwald gave some interviews, and both Reuters and the HuffPo distorted his comments (to put it mildly):

    You can argue that it was a journalistic faux-pas on the part of Reuters and the HuffPo, but it is absolutely frightening to watch just how often Greenwald has had to link to the above to show what he actually said. There is a disturbingly large number of people who have looked at the headlines and just assumed them to be accurate with no research on their part, and have allowed those misleading headlines to discredit Greenwald in their eyes.

    That people are so fucking lazy and willing to accept a crap headline is one thing, but to see that crap headline being sufficient for people to miss the real fucking point of this story (abuse of terrorism laws to intimidate journalists through their family) and to discredit the whole story in their eyes is frightening.

    This is probably the best argument in favour of mass uncurtailed spying I’ve ever seen. These people are so fucking incapable and pig-ignorant that maybe the spying is necessary so they don’t hurt themselves from their own stupidity.
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  5. What's essentially happening here is that a warning shot has been fired across his bow, and should Greenwald continue then butthurt is in the post for sure. Stopping his partner is their way of saying they will stop at nothing. Yourself,family and friends alike are all at risk.
    Greenwald and or his partner will be finding out what rendition really means, courtesy of the UK and USA.
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  7. EveStropping Member

    It's times like these I feel ashamed to be British .detaining Glenn Greenwald's partner was petty and completely unwarranted. Nine hours and nothing to show for it but egg on their collective faces makes me laugh. If any documents published by Greenwald can do anything to undermine the government and security services of this country he has my support.
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  8. Anonymous Member

    They weren't looking to get information, they were looking to make a point. They did.

    "Journalists beware: we are coming for you. Since we are the government we don't have to play by the normal rules, so we will detain you without cause, we will steal your gear, harass you, browbeat you into giving up passwords, threaten you with jail if you don't deliver. We are the honey badgers, we don't have to give a fuck."

    That is the message. When government makes a rule and doesn't get obedience, their only options are to back down or ramp up. I don't see governments backing down all that often.

    IOW, we'll be seeing a lot more of this behavior in the future.
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  10. EveStropping Member

    I totally agree with you , yes they were making a point and it looks very much like it will backfire too. In making that point they have issued a threat, which may or may not be what Glenn Greenwald was hoping for. There is a possibility that GG was testing the water, they might have made a point but Glenn Greenwald has learned more about his particular status with this incident. He can now be certain that the UK and all it's sovereign territories will have him and anyone who has the slightest acquaintance with him will be on the watch list. Forewarned is forearmed.
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  11. EveStropping Member

    His last four words "they will be sorry" have intrigued me. Could he mean he has more to reveal about the UK and their spying games , or does he intend to pursue the issue just to show he is a tad peeved (and rightly so) by the way his partner was treated?
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    No, unfortunately it will not backfire because people are too stupid.

    Exhibit A:
    He never said. Moreover, the evidence that he never said it was posted only 5 and 7 posts before your comment.

    If people will swallow mistruths so easily, even when the falsity of those mistruths is right under the people’s noses, I find it difficult to believe that the people could make the detention backfire.

    Bonus fail – Louise Mensch is pushing the same misleading headline as a talking point, as well as the NYT’s misreporting of Greenwald’s comments.
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  15. Anonymous Member

    Greenwald and Miranda will be interviewed by Anderson Cooper tonight
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  16. Anonymous Member

    Good. Video or transcript plox.
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  17. Anonymous Member

    Just one.
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  18. I disagree with this sentiment.
    I also would not want to touch any of that shit with a ten foot pole.
  19. Horseradish Member

    Press release from Matrix Chambers...

    20/08/13 Matrix Members instructed to act for David MirandaMatthew Ryder QC and Edward Craven have been instructed by Kate Goold and Gwendolen Morgan of Bindmans to act for David Miranda in relation to his recent detention under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. David Miranda was held at London’s Heathrow airport for nine hours on Sunday morning while passing through Heathrow on a stopover. David Miranda is the partner of Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who interviewed Edward Snowdon, the former US spy agency contractor who has been granted asylum by Russia.

    He looks like the business: Ryder.aspx

    Matthew’s specialisms cover serious and complex criminal work and its overlap with civil litigation:
    • crime (including fraud, terrorism, national security and international crime)
    • policing, surveillance, RIPA, abuse of process, search warrants and production orders
    • media (including privacy and freedom of expression, both nationally and internationally)
    • criminal related judicial review and public law (including IPCC and CCRC)
    • extradition
    • inquests
    • human rights

    His recent clients have included:
    • companies and company directors;
    • solicitors firms and partners;
    • the victims of police misconduct and miscarriages of justice;
    • political and environmental activists
    • former police officers, senior government officials and political leaders (both nationally and internationally);
    • media celebrities and public figures;
    • persons required to give evidence before inquiries (including the Leveson Inquiry);
    • journalists under obligation to disclose sources;
    • NGOs (e.g. Fair Trials Abroad, World Wildlife Fund; Animal Defenders International and a range of environmental groups)
    • private individuals
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  21. Ann O'Nymous Member

    My 2 cents:
    • It is disturbing to see that the Obama administration seems comfortable using post 911 laws and practices, even the most excessive ones.
    • Miranda's case gives some credence to the hypothesis that UK is playing the US game in Assange's case.
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  22. EveStropping Member

    Jumping to the wrong conclusion is very tiring, thank you for pointing out my error.:)
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  23. Anonymous Member

    FIFY (sorry - couldn't help myself), but yes, it does.

    It makes Assange's fears look a whole lot less far-fetched.
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  24. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Exclusive: Edward Snowden leaks reveal UK’s secret Middle-East internet surveillance base

    Data-gathering operation is part of a £1bn web project still being assembled by GCHQ

    [...] Britain runs a secret internet-monitoring station in the Middle East to intercept and process vast quantities of emails, telephone calls and web traffic on behalf of Western intelligence agencies, The Independent has learnt. The station is able to tap into and extract data from the underwater fibre-optic cables passing through the region. The information is then processed for intelligence and passed to GCHQ in Cheltenham and shared with the National Security Agency (NSA) in the United States. The Government claims the station is a key element in the West’s “war on terror” and provides a vital “early warning” system for potential attacks around the world. [...]

    [...] The disclosure comes as the Metropolitan Police announced it was launching a terrorism investigation into material found on the computer of David Miranda, the Brazilian partner of The Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald – who is at the centre of the Snowden controversy. Scotland Yard said material examined so far from the computer of Mr Miranda was “highly sensitive”, the disclosure of which “could put lives at risk”. [...]

    [...] But there are fears in Government that Mr Greenwald – who still has access to the files – could attempt to release damaging information. He said after the arrest of Mr Miranda: “I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I have many more documents on England’s spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did.” [...]
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  25. Anonymous Member

    How many people at Scotland Yard have a high enough security classification to be allowed to look at that material?
  26. muldrake Member

    This is why headlines are the best propaganda ever, and should basically be ignored by any thinking person. Even otherwise ethical reporters can just blame the headline guy for simplifying stories, distorting events, even just flat-out lying. If what's below their byline is up to their standards, they can slough it off.

    However, the vast majority of people are morons incapable of reading below the 48 point font, and they just absorb whatever they see in big print as truth.

    Maybe it's not as crude as Nazi propaganda. Maybe. But it's no better.
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  27. Anonymous Member

    Lets not put people in danger! Unless they are not in power.
  28. Obviously, the base is located inside Palestine. Why else be so pro-Zionist, if no quid pro quo?

    Also: Queen Elizabeth II is a fucking cunt, who should have died of natural causes by now.
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  29. Anonymous Member

    Please stick to the point, your last two comments were irrelevant.
  30. Anonymous Member
    IDK if this has been posted
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  31. Anonymous Member
    More targeting of Greenwald from Spokane, WA

  32. They will target Greenwald as a sex offender. Same routine as all these cults.

    The real child sex offenders remain untroubled by law enforcement as long as the Benjamins are flowing.

    Since time began, stupid people, underestimating the rest of the planet.

    Like the victims will always stay quiet.

    Like the truth will never leak.

    Liek you never heard of Anonymous.
  33. Kilia Member

    This statement of yours is totally out of line. Queen Elizabeth is a good person and has no control over British politics. She is just a Monarchy figure-head.
  34. veravendetter Member

    Yeah, so she should fuck off.
  35. Kilia Member

    Turn that around. ;)
  36. veravendetter Member

    No. I don't want monarchy. Financially and in principal. She will die soon, but her stupid grandsons will step up to perpetuate the folly.
  37. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    Do you have dox on James Levine? Because all I see is gossip, and gossip sucks
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