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"Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief" by Lawrence Wright

Discussion in 'Media' started by The Wrong Guy, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. Random guy Member

    Good to see Prince chiming in here!
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  2. DeathHamster Member

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment...s-won-t-go-on-sale-in-canada-or-u-k-1.1117187
    I think Random House are just being wusses. While Canadian copyright law has a similar base, the interpretation is nowhere near as abused as in the UK. Seriously, they knew that Scientology and the trained seal celebutards were going to object, so why did they agree to publish the book in the first place?

    inb4AustralianPublisherWussesOutToo.

    CoS is doing their usual book response tactic of looking for typos or minor errors and ignoring the rest of the book.
    After they dumped a fuckton of documents on Lawrence Wright, why would he need to talk to them?
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  3. BlackRob Member

    New Karin Pouw statement!


    By ABC News

    Jan 17, 2013 9:07am

    Church of Scientology International Statement Concerning Lawrence Wright’s Book


    January 16, 2013
    Church of Scientology International Statement Concerning Lawrence Wright’s book

    British and Canadian publishers chose not to print Mr. Wright’s book, which speaks volumes about their confidence in its facts and allegations. Mr. Wright ignored the real story of Scientology in favor of stale allegations and ever-changing bizarre tales invented by a handful of confessed liars consumed with their media smear campaign. Mr. Wright could have chosen to write a serious, objective and fair book on Scientology and its Founder, L. Ron Hubbard, that also would document the religion’s growth worldwide as well as its involvement in such causes as human rights and the fight against drug abuse. Instead, Mr. Wright took the easy path and produced what amounts to a work of fiction filled with errors. This could have been avoided if instead of asking us six times about the brand of cigarettes L. Ron Hubbard smoked, he took us up on our offers made in 15 separate letters to assist him in fact checking his book. If Mr. Wright wanted to call his book “A Diatribe on Scientology Through the Minds of a Posse of Lunatics” that would have been fine with us and we wouldn’t have complained.

    Millions of Scientologists around the world embrace the religion. Twelve new Churches of Scientology, known as Ideal Organizations, opened across the world just in 2012 and our humanitarian programs are bringing help to thousands of people from all walks of life on a daily basis.


    To find out the true story of Scientology and its Founder, one can visit www.scientology.org, www.lronhubbard.org, or one can read Mr. Hubbard’s books, which are available worldwide.
    Karin Pouw



    Link: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...l-statement-concerning-lawrence-wrights-book/

    Public Affairs Director
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  5. DeathHamster Member

    It looks like she's got everything covered.
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  6. fishypants Moderator

    Pouw! Pouw!

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    Quotes like this just make them seem even more nutty. Pouw footbullet IMO.
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  7. BlackRob Member

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  8. The Wrong Guy Member

    Tony Ortega just posted this on Facebook:

    LAWRENCE WRIGHT wrote a book on Scientology, and we read it. Now you're dying to know what we think about it, right? Well, please stop on by and tell us your own favorite bits as the book comes out today. There's much to discuss!

    Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear: We Don’t Think Scientology Is Going to Like This Book Much

    Excerpt:

    For now, we’re going to lay down a few impressions after our first read through the book, and we will rely on our excellent and knowledgable commenting community to help us highlight what are some of the surprises in its pages, from Spanky Taylor’s memories as John Travolta’s church handler, for example, to Steve “Sarge” Pfauth’s account of helping Hubbard, at the end of his life, construct a sort of electrical “suicide machine.” If you spot something in Wright’s book that you haven’t read before, please point it out in the comments.

    The full article, and open comments, are at
    http://tonyortega.org/2013/01/17/lawrence-wright-going-clear/
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  9. Anonymous Member

    Probably publishing houses in the Commonwealth countries have been infiltrated by Scientology operatives.
    If they've done it to governments (and they have), a wog pubs house ain't shit.
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  11. Tourniquet Member

    Well, they made him Right... XD
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  12. DeathHamster Member

    These days, doing real-time transcripts from speech is either a shitty low-paying job done by humans or a job done by shitty software.
  13. AnyOldName Member

    The shitty software or low-paid human spelled the name correctly in the transcript. Other misspellings there, but spelled the name correctly.
  14. January 16, 2013
    "church" of scientology International Statement Concerning Lawrence Wright’s book

    British and Canadian publishers chose not to print Mr. Wright’s book, which speaks volumes about their confidence that we would sue them Mr. Wright told the real story of scientology but we favor making wild allegations and ever-changing bizarre tales invented by a liar consumed with taking control of the world campaign. Mr. Wright has chosen to write a serious, objective and fair book on scientology and its founder, ron hubtard, that also would document the religion’s decline worldwide as well as its fake involvement in such causes as human rights and the fight against drug abuse. Mr. Wright took the easy path and produced what amounts to a fantastic book filled with gems. This could have been avoided if instead of using the truth given to him by former scientologists he had listened to the lies made by Miscavige in his speeches. If Mr. Wright wanted to call his book “Scientology A Cult Run by the Warped Minds of a Posse of Lunatics” that would have been fine with us and we wouldn’t have complained, just harrassed and sued him.

    A handful of scientologists around the world embrace the religion and control the billion pound business empire. Twelve new "churches" of scientology, known as ideal organizations (empty buildings), opened across the world just in 2012 just so my boss could stand on a podium to "feel" tall. Our pretend "we are helping" campains drain the bank accounts of our followers but we do not care about the thousands of scientologists suffering.
    To find out the true story of scientology and its sci-fi beliefs, one can visit Anonymous or one can read MrWright's book, which is available from Amazon.

    Karin Powrless to know when my boss might send me to the RPF
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  16. moarxenu Member

    Does Karen Pouw even exist? She is rather weak tea after the awesome Tommy Davis.
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  17. BlackRob Member

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    What you say? Smell my finger!
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  18. Anonymous Member

    One day, Miscavige's "tendon" will be on the block at Sotheby's, much like Napoleon's... only it won't fetch anywhere nearly as much.
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  21. Anonymous Member

    He thmells it :)
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    That crunching sound you hear is Lawrence Wright bending over backward to be fair to Scientology. Every deceptive comparison with Mormonism and other religions is given a respectful hearing. Every ludicrous bit of church dogma is served up deadpan. This makes the book’s indictment that much more powerful. Open almost any page at random. That tape of L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology’s founder, that Wright quotes from? “It was a part of a lecture Hubbard gave in 1963, in which he talked about the between-lives period, when thetans are transported to Venus to have their memories erased.”
    Oh, that period. Of course. How could I forget?
    We are all thetans, spirits, trapped temporarily in our current particular lives. Elsewhere, though, Hubbard says that when a thetan discovers that he is dead, he should report to a “‘between-lives’ area” on Mars for a “forgetter implant.”
    Oh dear, oh dear. So what are poor thetans to do, where are they to go, when they find themselves between lives? Left to Venus or right to Mars? For sure, they can’t stay here. “The planet Earth, formerly called Teegeeack, was part of a confederation of planets under the leadership of a despot ruler named Xenu,” said Hubbard, who was a best-selling science fiction writer before he became the prophet of a new religion. To suppress a rebellion, Xenu tricked the confederations into coming in for fake income tax investigations. Billions of thetans were taken to Teegeeack (you remember: Earth), “where they were dropped into volcanoes and then blown up with hydrogen bombs.” Suffice it to say I’m not hanging around Earth next time I’m between lives.
    Hubbard apparently could go on for hours — or pages — with this stuff. Wright informs us, as if it were just an oversight, that “Hubbard never really explained how he came by these revelations,” but elsewhere he says they came to him at the dentist’s office. Of the Borgia-like goings-on after Hubbard’s death in 1986, Wright says cheerfully, “Every new religion faces an existential crisis following the death of its charismatic founder.” He always refers to Scientology respectfully as “the church.”
    But Wright’s book, “Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief,” makes clear that Scientology is like no church on Earth (or, in all probability, Venus or Mars either). The closest institutional parallel would be the Communist Party in its heyday: the ruthless struggles for power, the show trials and forced confessions (often false); the paranoia (often justified); the determination to control its members’ lives completely (the key difference, you will recall, between authoritarian and totalitarian regimes, according to the onetime American ambassador to the United Nations Jeane Kirkpatrick); the maintenance of something close to prison camps where dissenters, would-be defectors and power-struggle rivals were incarcerated in deplorable conditions for years and punished if they tried to escape; what the book describes as mysterious deaths and disappearances; and so on. Except that while the American Communist Party, including a few naïve Hollywood types, merely turned a blind eye to events happening in faraway Russia, Scientology — if Wright is to be believed, and I think he is — ran, and maybe still runs, a shadow totalitarian empire here in the United States, financed in part by huge contributions by Tom Cruise and others of the Hollywood aristocracy. “Naïve” doesn’t begin to describe the credulousness and sense of entitlement that has allowed actors, writers and directors to think they were helping themselves and the world by hanging around the Scientologists’ “Celebrity Centre,” taking “upper level” courses and gossiping about who was about to be labeled a “Suppressive Person” (bad guy).
    Wright’s last book, “The Looming Tower,” a history of Al Qaeda, won the Pulitzer Prize. He is also the author of, among other books, a charmingly presumptuous premature autobiography, “In the New World,” published in 1987. He belongs to a small cult of his own — an Austin-centered group of writers dedicated to preserving long-form narrative journalism. With this book, he’s certainly paid his dues for a few years.
    More: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/b...ogy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0&pagewanted=print
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  24. The Wrong Guy Member

  25. DeathHamster Member

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/clear-book-inside-controversial-church-scientology/story?id=18234170
  26. Aurora Member

    The Apostate Posse rides again! :)
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  27. YouSeeNothing Member

    They're coming in fast and furious now. Here's the publisher defending the book, the way it should be done:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/lawrence-wright-publisher-scientology_n_2489798.html

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  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Lawrence Wright Publisher Defends Book Against Church Of Scientology Claims

    By Michael Calderone, The Huffington Post

    Excerpt:

    On Monday came the advertorial, which the Atlantic removed amid criticism roughly 11 hours after it went online. Two days later, on Wednesday, a representative with public relations and crisis management firm Sitrick and Co. approached the The Huffington Post about running a church-written op-ed that would address what church leaders consider to be factual errors in the book.

    When this reporter asked to speak with someone about the church media strategy, Mike Sitrick, founder of the firm, said that while his company has represented the church for three-and-half-years, it was not retained specifically "to deal with publicity or anything else surrounding the book" and could therefore not address such questions. Sitrick referred questions about dealing with reporters and reviewers to Karin Pouw, the church public affairs director. Pouw did not respond to questions about the church's response or the advertorial.

    A spokesman for Knopf, Wright's publisher, responded to church claims that the book wasn't properly fact-checked or vetted in an email to The Huffington Post:

    "Wright spent several years researching and writing GOING CLEAR. During that time he conducted over 250 interviews, the majority of them with present and former Scientologists; sourced original material about the Church and its founder; read thousands of documents; and did extensive reporting. He was assisted by a fact checker throughout the process. The fact checker was in contact with the Church numerous times prior to publication, having sent over 150 queries to one of their spokespeople. The Church responded slowly and evasively, frequently putting forth their own agenda and complaining about the focus of Wright’s reporting rather than addressing Wright’s queries. Additionally, Wright provided officials from the Church with repeated opportunities to speak on the record and they declined to do so. As part of the publication process, the book went through a vigorous vetting by Random House counsel. It is worth noting that Wright is a Pulitzer Prize-winning author, and the genesis of this book –- his The New Yorker article about Paul Haggis (“The Apostate”) -– won the National Magazine Award for reporting. Given the arc and scope of Wright’s narrative, and the readership it is likely to draw, it is unsurprising that the Church has chosen to vilify Wright, as well as reach out to media organizations in an effort to influence their coverage of his book.”

    Wright has talked in the past about what went into fact-checking the lengthy New Yorker piece, which included sending 971 queries to the church. A high-ranking church official responded to those queries by bringing 47 volumes of research material to an all-day meeting with Wright, editor David Remnick and several fact-checkers assigned to the story.

    “I don’t think in the magazine’s history, I can’t imagine, that we’ve ever devoted that kind of scrupulousness to one single story,” Wright told NPR after publication.

    The church has yet to challenge several explosive charges in the book, portions of which appeared earlier in the New Yorker.

    The full article, and open comments, can be found here:
    www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/lawrence-wright-publisher-scientology_n_2489798.html
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  29. RightOn Member

    Hitler?
  30. Anonymous Member

    She looks older these days.
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  32. YouSeeNothing Member

    I wonder if that was Tommy's mistake, or DMs and Tommy took the fall for that one.
  33. Anonymous Member

    Mainstream publisher grows some balls.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...concerning-lawrence-wrights-book-going-clear/

    Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group Statement Concerning Lawrence Wright’s Book, ‘Going Clear’


    The following is a statement from Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group, the publisher of Lawrence Wright’s book, “Going Clear,” responding to the Church of Scientology statement.

    Wright spent several years researching and writing, GOING CLEAR. During that time he conducted over 250 interviews, the majority of them with present and former Scientologists; sourced original material about the Church and its founder; read thousands of documents; and did extensive reporting. He was assisted by a fact checker throughout the process. The fact checker was in contact with the Church numerous times prior to publication, having sent over 150 queries to one of their spokespeople. The Church responded slowly and evasively, frequently putting forth their own agenda and complaining about the focus of Wright’s reporting rather than addressing Wright’s queries. Additionally, Wright provided officials from the Church with repeated opportunities to speak on the record and they declined to do so. As part of the publication process, the book went through a vigorous vetting by Random House counsel. It is worth noting that Wright is a Pulitzer Prize-winning author, and the genesis of this book – his The New Yorker article about Paul Haggis (“The Apostate”) – won the National Magazine Award for reporting. Given the arc and scope of Wright’s narrative, and the readership it is likely to draw, it is unsurprising that the Church has chosen to vilify Wright, as well as reach out to media organizations in an effort to influence their coverage of his book.
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  35. BlackRob Member

    It's going to take 2 weeks before my book arrives here in South America :(. But already ordered it :). If someone has an eBook for me in the meantime... Please PM :)
  36. The Wrong Guy Member

    This post is a duplicate, also just added to The Tony Ortega Sunday Funnies thread at
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/the-tony-ortega-sunday-funnies-thread.107367/

    An hour ago, Tony posted this on Facebook:

    BONUS FRIDAY POST: This crazy week for Scientology is finishing in wacky style. We have a hilarious Taiwanese animation about Larry Wright's book, an update from Oklahoma, a creepy OSA email, and a response to the latest by Mark Oppenheimer.

    Scientology’s Worst Week Ever Finishes In Style



    The article and open comments are here:
    http://tonyortega.org/2013/01/18/scientologys-worst-week-ever-finishes-in-style/
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    Lawrence Wright's scrupulous reporting in 'Going Clear' aims facts at Scientology | Cleveland.com

    By Karen R. Long

    Last paragraph:

    "Going Clear" isn't as indispensable as "The Looming Tower," but it is absorbing and important. It raises unsettling questions about the harm done under the cover of our constitutional protections of religious liberty.

    Full article and open comments:
    www.cleveland.com/books/index.ssf/2013/01/lawrence_wrights_scrupulous_re.html
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  39. YouSeeNothing Member

    Started reading it last night. Definitely written in a way the general public can understand and sympathize with.
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  40. tetloj Member

    Really pissed I can't get this electronically!!!!!!!!!!!!

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