Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Maybe a dumb question, but couldn't this just be used to prove practicing medicine without a license? Like not on it's own, but if someone sat down for a stress test and their ruin was Cancer and the scilons put a book in your hand telling you how that it tells you how to fix cancer wouldn't that be skating pretty close to practicing medicine? Maybe cancer is going a bit far, but if someone said they had arthritis and the scilon claimed that dianetics could help with that that's walking a fine line. Multiple people rigged up to secretly record over days/months and in various cities could provide proof of a pattern instead of just one dumb scilon saying it as a mistake (although you'd have to hit the same person/city multiple times in order to prove it wasn't just multiple people in multiple cities making the same mistakes once). I'm seriously not suggesting this as a good idea (and I'm not pretending saying it's a bad idea so someone will do it, it really is a bad idea). Seriously, don't interact with scilons and make trouble for yourself, but if it can be proven on a small scale maybe people like the FDA would do an investigation on a larger scale. Again, don't actually do what I'm suggesting. It's all theoretical. I don't want people getting in trouble because they actually try to do what I suggest.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables What a great piece of street theatre that would make!
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Artfags turn it into a comicstrip plox. or a photo comicstrip (anons acting out the roles in the style of the photos in those lulzy old scilon handbooks).
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables and to Olav Gunnar Ballo, father of Kaja Ballo, the girl who committed suicide after the scilons found her "ruin" with one of their personality tests.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables They've got a TL;TR catch-all contract you have to sign to get in to Scientology (I've seen shorter credit card applications, lol) Here's the section you might be interested in: In other words: no matter who promised what, we're not responsible.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Right, but do you have to sign that prior to doing the stress test? Because if not, then it doesn't matter what their contract says. Yes, if you were to go long term then it might have some impact but if people aren't signing that contract prior to doing the stress test AND the stress test people are making claims to help medical problems then they could be viewed as practicing without a license, correct? I guess to actually get a plan like the above to work you'd have to first prove they were consistently making the claims, get some government agency like the FDA to warn them not to make the claims and then prove again that they are still making medical claims. Prior to the warning they could say it was a few bad eggs making claims but post-warning they'd be hard pressed to explain why the people running their stress tests are not properly trained and are still making medical claims against the FDA (or whoever's) warning.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Samples of hard sales bait & switch scams in weight loss industry: LA Weight Loss Review | Rip-off Report LA Weight Loss Centers Review | Rip-off Report About using scripts in hard sales: Get them to say yes! - telephone marketing - Sales & Marketing | Home Office Computing | Find Articles at BNET No doubt LRH knew about this shit: HowStuffWorks "How Sales Techniques Work"
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Epic find. Wish the stress test tables came out more often so I could really mess them up by standing over the scilon, reading them their next instruction.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Same anon as above re: practicing medicine, sorry, should have added a last thought: does claiming to cure disease constitute practicing without a license? Or would someone actually have to go through "treatment" to count as practicing medicine without a license?
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables If you're lucky, they'll have one of the old "Think for Yourself" banners out.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables "Then immediately without comm lag start to hard sell the person." Man oh man, if that doesn't say it all!! [STRIKE]Can someone scan these real-purty-like (and *big/ real hi-resolution*) so we can use 'em for all sorts of lulzy things?[/STRIKE] http://forums.whyweprotest.net/26-t...-down-stress-test-tables-66138/2/#post1237115
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Each Anon cell could pool their $$$ and get something from here and record away! Wearable Covert Camera | Wireless Hidden Cameras
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Seen it and used it before. It is good to use at a sress test table
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Some t-shirts with the key points/phrases, when you hear the banter that matches... FLASH 'EM! Yeh, prob dumb but oh well. Also the disclaimer they're supposed to have in public view on the front of their ohm meters...
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables They've got a whole catch-all policy too. Nobody, including L. Ron Hubbard, is allowed to promise anything. If they do, they shall receive ... a spanking!
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables We must extract every bit of lulz from this possible. Shoops, videos, etc.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Ok. Need some opinions here....giving this to the media....good or bad idea? This would get used immediately, especially if we put together (or located) a good summary (links) on the stress tests and how they are designed to fool you. The words "stolen property" are holding me back right now. Speaking only for me, other anons and their contacts are up to them.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Disregard, cocks, etc. Meant to post this in the other thread. Fail. Do not let this question derail what you are doing here. If you have an opinion go to the other thread.
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Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables As we all know, in the U.S. at least, the FDA's agreement with scientology regarding use of the e-meter is quite clear... "The device should bear a prominent, clearly visible notice warning that any person using it for auditing or counseling of any kind is forbidden by law to represent that there is any medical or scientific basis for believing or asserting that the device is useful in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of any disease. It should be noted in the warning that the device has been condemned by a United States District court for misrepresentation and misbranding under the Food and Drug laws, that use is permitted only as part of religious activity, and that the E-meter is not medically or scientifically capable of improving the health or bodily functions of anyone. "Each user, purchaser, and distributee of the E-meter shall sign a written statement that he has read such a warning and understands its contents and such statements shall be preserved." (United States of America, Libelant, v. An Article or Device... "Hubbard Electrometer" or "Hubbard E-Meter" etc., Founding Church of Scientology et al., Claimants, No. D.C. 1-63, United States District Court, District of Columbia, July 30, 1971 (333 F. Supp. 357)" And of course as we all know, the FDA has been more than lax when it comes to actually enforcing this ruling, something which scientology continues to take advantage of. When it comes down to sci's auditing sci's it doesn't much matter. However any wog picking up a pair of cans at a stress test booth does consitute a "user" and according to the ruling is required to have signed a written statement attesting to his understanding of the FDA's position regarding it's use. Although there's little reason to expect to see the FDA come swooping in to levy fines at every stress test, perhaps a letter to the FDA pointing out the time, date and location of any violations, carbon copied to the management of the mall, flea market or mercado hosting the event might just make these hosts a bit squeamish about hosting any further stress test sessions on their property. amirite?
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Is there a way to get a scan of the front and back of the card in hi-res (say 600dpi or higher) for signs and such? Also, just whipped this up: Reference Image only (link to large version is below): Large, readable version: http://i43.tinypic.com/6ntdlv.jpg
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables and if you do i will give you a cookie for real and everyone likes cookies
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables ODIT/UNews: Scientology "HARD SELL" Cue-Cards Retrieved [pics]
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Scientologist ”Hello! [handshake] My name is _____ , What’s your name? [tells] ”Nice to meet you!" Punter: [Not accepting the cans] "Here is how this Works. I am going to ask you a question, you don’t have to say anything and we’re going to find out what is causing you the most stress in your life. When the needle moves to the right, that shows stress.” [point to the needle so they know to watch the dial] Scientologist: "Um ,er." Punter: ”Think of different people and situations in your life.” Scientologist: "Er, no.. um." Punter: " ”There! [point to the needle falling] That’s stress! What did you just think of?" [Make a big deal out of the read and say this with impact so that it impinges on them] [Get in comm. If no real ruin, give them a good and appropriate ack and say] ”Think of something else causing you stress.” Scientologist: "Fuck off" Punter: ""Let me ask you a question, what is the one thing that is really messing up your life?" Etc, etc, etc, etc
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables In my limited time as a public in co$ I lost count of the amount of statements made to me that Dianetics could actaully CURE stuff, that OTs had POWERS etc. Getting docs on claims is well worth it - even though their policy tries to cover all of this to stop them getting sued, my experience was that it happens a lot.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Does Gawker know about this? Im not familiar with the process of informing them.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Oh lawdy, me thinks we should make a combined pack of all the examples of how they sell these books for a profit, and not to save anyone. It's just such rock solid evidence, and it's not being pushed enough.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Is there a nice flatbed scanner-ized, hi-rez version of this card, front and back posted anywhere? I did a look through of a couple threads and haven't seen one. Here's hoping! EDIT: Damn this'd make for great T-shirts!
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables In Soviet America, [strike]evidence presents the judge![/strike] the parties present the evidence. Very cool. Still at least [strike]100[/strike] one typo though: on the back, toward the top, "you" should be "your".
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables 1. The cards can be used for fair use purposes. 2. Hold up a sign near the stress test referring to the FDA's ruling in regards to E-Meter. 3. Contact the FDA to report violation 4. Contact news groups when FDA does nothing, remember to cite consumer safety boards and lawsuits in regards to china's bad products, etc. 5. have a table near the stress test labeled "How Stress test Scam works." 6. Have the cue cards, blown up to a readable size, big enough to be read from 10 meters away, have it next to a psychologist text explaining hard sell/articles on hard sell scams.
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Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Simply print out Rev. Dennis Erlich's fair-use post of it. And hand that out.
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables Reading this thread and noting comments about FDA etc, I was reminded of a set of youtube videos by 13heathens where he visited a stress test cart for a chat as well as doing the stress test. The stress test part is interesting but what I always remember best is the first video (about 2min 25seconds in) where he tells the scientologists, after a bit of banter, that they wouldn't like him anyway, because he's bipolar (he's joking). The scientologits then actually claims they can fix that. To be frank, It sounds like the scilon has no frikkin clue what bipolar means but...well...they can "take care of it" anyway....with counselling. Fucking LOL. Here's the part one. (FF to 2:25)....
Re: How to preemptively shut down stress test tables They're just applying 100% tech and following the script. If the cue cards said "Would you like fries with that?", that's what they'd say.
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