Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Well that explains why the media wasn't interested. A protester getting kicked is hardly newsworthy. Even with a second event where a protester is pushed, it's just not a big enough of a deal to attract media attention. I think skeptic had the best idea, try to get small local papers to run a little story on it.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread I suggested that, too. But still, maybe a third one would catch media interest, especially if it's done by one of the previous two men. Not that I want it to happen, but based on a pattern that was established by the DC org (two assaults in two months), the possibility of a third assault by the DC org doesn't seem that unlikely.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread I guarantee you that if the police do not arrest these two guys (whose names are known at this point--how hard can it be?) that there will be more assaults on Anon.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread this. i'm tired of the cult getting away with shit because the cops are lazy.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Cops aren't lazy, they're frustrated and angry. They have to work within their procedures and the law and Scientologists purposely play games and make their jobs harder. It slows things down, but it doesn't stop them. AND it makes for a pissed off police department.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread "Currently" FTW. I bow to your superior anatomy tech.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread ^THIS MPD is fucking livid at the cult. First they kept calling 911 for EVERY RAID until they were told to STFU ( Jew Tube/watch?v=mNkABE0F65M , beginning at 5:30), then after assault #1 they allowed Reinhard Koenig to get away (I will never forget the looks of anger on those cops' faces when they came out of the Org and started barking orders for the other cops to start combing the streets), and now this. I get the distinct feeling that if the MPD could bust in and fuck up the cult's shit, they would.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Was there ever a reason why the cult didn't get charged with obstruction?
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Unbunch those panties sally. The police are not your personal army. They aren't going to arrest the guy without doing a little work. Hence the incident being handed over to the detectives. Chill out and give it time. As the DC Chanologists have already said, the police are taking it seriously and doing their jobs. Due process of law applies to Scientologists as well you know.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread I read this without reading who wrote it and immediately thought 'only herro could say something so silly!' Really, granting US citizens the same protections we demand? For shame... (I have a feeling this is less about granting them protections, and more about getting everything and getting an air-tight case before acting. Really, those are two sides of the same coin though.)
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread I wonder if David Miscavige RPF'd anyone over this?
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Jesus loves Greg Layton. Everyone else thinks he's an asshole. [COLOR="Red"]HEY WASHINGTONIANS! ASK GREG ABOUT SOME OF THESE PAST LIVES HE HELPFULLY DESCRIBED (ABOVE) IN 1977.[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]Snow White daze.[/COLOR]
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Chip Franklin did a story on Scientology when he was starting out in radio, and they sent in an army of attorneys to shut him up. It worked. Two days ago, his lovely co-announcer talked about Scientology and Wikipedia. A teaser today said he is gonna talk more about Scientology tomorrow. AM 600 KOGO This is his san diego feed, but I herd he's based in DC, he's getting interested in Scientology again, and some of you DC fags might wanna call in to his show. I don't know when or where it airs back on the Right Coast.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread If he does the show in D.C. it might be a good idea to call before the show and let them know you have interesting "data".
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Ramona, might we have citations for the latter two articles? Thanks!
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Please let him know that his old friend Martin O'Malley is mixed up with the scilons. John P. Coale: The Curious Incident of the Scientologist in the Boardroom - Counterknowledge.com I'm sure he would like to know all about what his old pal is up to. =) Also, Wiki says that Chip Franklin's father was a DC police officer.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Yes indeed! Scientologists Bustling Again After an Interruption; Busy Pace Is Resumed at Scientology Church. The Washington Post, July 10, 1977, Sunday, Final Edition, Metro, C1, 1201 words, By Cynthia Gorney and Mark Sablemann, Washington Post Staff Writers [title missing], The Associated Press, July 8, 1977, AM cycle, 1433 words, By MARGARET GENTRY, Associated Press Writer Author Critical of Scientology Harassed; Seized Scientology Data Seen To Indicate Author Was Framed. The Washington Post, April 29, 1978, Saturday, Final Edition, First Section; A1, 725 words, By Ron Shaffer, Washington Post Staff Writer There's a bunch more, but they're all sort of variations on a theme. Spokesman plays dumb; spokesman attacks critics, IRS, Feds, etc. , all re: Snow White and Freakout, or later IRS stuff. The Associated Press July 30, 1981, Thursday, AM cycle Scientologists Allege IRS Harassment SECTION: Washington Dateline LENGTH: 169 words DATELINE: WASHINGTON More than 500 letters of complaint from Church of Scientology members alleging harassment by the Internal Revenue Service were filed Thursday with the Justice Department, a church spokesman said. Gregory Layton, a spokesman for the controversial organization, said the complaints ranged from charges of discriminatory audits by the IRS to constitutional violations. A spokeswoman for the civil rights division said that "a boxful" of complaints had been dropped off by a Church of Scientology representative. "They (the complaints) will be reviewed to see if any violations occurred," said the spokeswoman, who asked that her name not be used. Layton, the church representative, said, "We want them to investigate this (the charges against the IRS)." Layton said one of the main points raised in the allegations is what he called "collusion" between IRS lawyers and private individuals who have sued the Church of Scientology. The church already has a civil rights lawsuit pending against the IRS.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Here is the full text of the first article (nothing new, really, but in the spirit of "completeness" -- i.e. OCD-- since I only had the second bit of the photocopy. Scientologists Bustling Again After an Interruption; Busy Pace Is Resumed at Scientology Church BYLINE: By Cynthia Gorney and Mark Sablemann, Washington Post Staff Writers SECTION: Metro; C1 LENGTH: 1201 words By yesterday afternoon Washington scientologists had cleared away the residue of Friday's FBI raid, and the wide brick building at 2125 S Street NW was bustling with its usual weekend crowd - parishioners and communicators, clears and preclears, visitors and auditors. There were angry words for the FBI, which had conducted joint raids on Church of Scientology offices here and in Los Angeles to recover masses of documents that the government alleges were stolen by scientology spies. While federal officials exulted over the operation - "a jackpot," one said yesterday, "extraordinarily successful" - the scientologists were sweeping away the residue from the buzz saws they claim agents used to break in. The church has been monitored for years by the federal government, both to investigate allegations that it practices "mind control" on its converts, and to determine whether the group is a bona fide religion qualifying for tax-exempt status. Federal officials maintain that church members have stolen thousands of files containing information on scientologists, while Freedom of Information Act suits to release the information are pending. According to government affidanits, it was those files that FBI agents sought during the raids Friday. "The lack of manners and breeding of these people," a young woman, at the Scientology officials here, fumed yesterday in reference to the FBI agents involved in the raid. "If you have a search warrant, be gracious enough to wait until people come to work in the morning." But the business of the day, as on most Saturdays at the Founding Church of Scientology, had nothing to do with the FBI. Inside the carpeted rooms of the three-story Dupont Circle area building, scientologists of varying loyalties - from the mildly curious to the fully committed - were Going Up the Bridge. That is how scientologists speak of their quest for spiritual freedom. Going Up the Bridge. "It sure is a neat way to go up the bridge," says a handwritten "success story" tacked to a bulletin board on the second-story landing. "A nice return flow." There are other reports from delighted scientologists tacked up nearby: "Life repair really opened my eyes to what these simple processes can do." "I've had my knowingness of correct tech validated several times since starting this course." To the lay person it is a baffling world of codes and charts and tangled terminology. Missed Withhold of Nothing, Minus Freedom, Keyed-Out Clear, Dynamic Straightwire, Routine 3-D Criss Cross - all these are entries in the Church of Scientology's dictionary, which is used by students studying the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology's founder. But to the college students, the lawyers, the musicians and the athletes who have joined the church, the language is simply code for a system they say helps them achieve spiritual peace.They read Hubbard's numerous books, they follow scientology courses in communication and study, and they use a small machine called an E-meter to recall their own pasts and observe, through the fluctuations of the E-meters needle, the memories that have troubled them to cloud the present. "There are about six major steps," explained Greg Layton, an architecture graduate of Catholic University who joined the Church of Scientology three years ago now works there full time.Each step, Layton said, represents the confrontation and subsequent stripping away of the negative memories that make up what scientoligists call the "reactive mind." When the last step has been completed, Layton said, a scientologist has reached the peaceful thoroughly trouble-free state the church calls "clear." "I'm one step away," Layton said. "I hope to achieve it this year." Layton still remembers reaching the first step. He sat with an E-meter, he remembers, and the counselor scientologists called an auditor. He spoke to the auditor, exploring his own memories a little. And he realized, he said, "that I was not this body right here - this arm and leg is not me - I am a spiritual being . . . My auditor said, 'Very good, thank you, and that's the end of the first session.'" From there, Layton said, he moved deeper into his own past and then into memories of previous lives.He was a World War II pilot, he said, on the American side. He was an 18th century Washington resident - a doctor, he thinks. He was a 13th century Christian monk. "I've had lots of auditing, so I've had a lot of experiences that have come up in my past lives," Layton said. As a staff member, Layton received this counseling in exchange for his services. Members who do not perform services for the church referred to as "public parishioners," pay what the church calls a "required donation." Some samples of these charges were posted in one of the rooms of the Dupont Circle building. "Word Clearing," the sign said. "38-80-hr." "Cramming - $15.50-day." "Review Auditing - $39.90-hr." The money, Layton said, is used to pay for the upkeep of the house (which was bought by the church when it moved from its original building nearby on 19th Street NW), staff workers' stipends, and a 10 per cent tithe he said is sent to the "mother church," in England. The cost of scientology has been exaggerated, Layton insisted. He said a genuinely interested person can achieve the goals of the church by studying on his own and auditing with someone besides a professional counselor. It can mount up. Emil Richard Ellison, a former truck driver and musician who sat in the downstairs lounge yesterday, estimated that by the time he completes his Scientology study and counseling he will have spent "something like $30,000." But he said it's worth it. "There's no way I could describe to you what I've gained from Scientology," he said. "peace of mind . . . it all adds up to spiritual freedom." "I used to be petrified to get up in front of a jury. Now I can explain what I want to and feel good about it," said George Papaheraklis, 23, an architecture student at the University of Maryland at College Park. Juries are panels of architects who judge student work, and Papaheraklis credited Scientology training for his improved confidence before them. Papaheraklis said he has studied at the Scientology Mission of Washington, 3411 Massachusetts Ave. NW, since it opened a year and a half ago. He has spent almost $800 on three Scientology courses: the basic communications course, $45; the Hubbard Qualified Scientologist (HQS) course, more than $100; and the Dianetics course, $600. He is just completing part of the Dianetics course. The Scientology training led directly to better grades in college, Papaheraklis said. He said he doubled his credit load and improved his grades from substandard to A's and B's after taking a Scientology course. Papaheraklis has also taken Scientology auditing (counseling), and he said his auditor (counselor) has used the E-meter successfully to solve his problems. The E-meter "gradually gets you to see what the problem is . . . I go back in time and try to find out the reason why the problem exists. If I look at the problem, it ceases to exist - banishes - and that's all there is to it."
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Leaflets to pass out to pedestrians or leave on doorsteps of neighbors in the community: THIS SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH HARBORS VIOLENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECENTLY KICKED, PUSHED, OR GRABBED THE FACE OF PEACEFUL PROTESTERS
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Hi HT I hope you are feeling better. That was the jerk I saw screaming in your face and he walked right past me down r street. That was him . I am sure. bastet
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Welcome, friend. Thanks so much for making the effort to come forward. I'm sure HT will be in contact soon to connect you with the relevant police officer, if you're willing to make a statement. Thanks again.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Hi I was with HT when the police spoke with her. I am totally sure that was the guy. no doubt, even if they say he was overseas,that was him he walked right past me.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread No, lrn2 english. One person was kicked. Another person was facepalm.jpg'd it's an OR. If you say, "This cult approves of kicking, shoving, and five finger face clawing" that would be correct.
Re: Hubbard Telescope's Attacker - Discussion Thread Ok, so you did not see it happen. I'm assuming if H-T was speaking with police and the guy walked by she might go THERE HE IS... but since that didn't happen all you know if that guy walked past you, and H-T claims it looked kinda like that guy. So if she isn't 100% certain then all you can add is that one Kenny rogers looking guy was there that day. (which, duh, when isn't he there).
