Humanists working against CoS in Malmö OP also in english because we might need info from anon ------------------------------- English --------------------------------- I've been in contact with a humanist organisation in Malmö, the south of Sweden where the Scilons have recently started up their ideal org. They've been shipping Scilons from other European countries in their attempt to take control of this region. Yellow tents and stress tests are all over the place and so far they've encountered little to nothing. Local politicians praise their activities and those who don't just say they don't know anything. Anon has failed to establish a local cell and things haven't looked good. However, a group of young, dedicated and informed humanists have decided to spread information about the abuses of Scientology. They'll be holding some traditional seminars, calling local politicians and contacting local media etc. I'm personally very happy for this and hope that Swedish anons and our Scandinavian friends will assist this group as much as possible. Any dox of relevance are welcome, especially leaked policies that will be of interest for the politicians they're going to speak with. The last thing we want is for the CoS to get in bed with the municipal. --------------------------------- Svenska ------------------------------------- Jag har kommit i kontakt med en grupp humanister i Malmö där Scientologerna på senare tid har fått härja fritt med sina gula tält och stresstest. Lokalpolitiker har hyllat deras närvaro och de som inte gjort det säger bara att de inte vet något. Anon har mislyckats med att etablera en lokal cell och saker och ting ser inte bra ut. Lyckligtvis har en grupp hängivna och informerade humanister fått nys om CoS och vill börja sprida information om Scientologernas missbruk. De kommer hålla traditionella informationssemunarium, prata med lokalpolitiker och kontakta lokalmedia osv. Jag är personligen mycket glad över detta och hoppas att svenska anons och våra skandinaviska bröder kommer assistera så mycket som möjligt. Alla relevanta dox är välkomna, särskillt läkta policybrev som kan vara intressanta för politiker. Det sista vi vill se är kommunen i säng med CoS.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö I am getting the feeling that we are going to have to rely more and more on that. esp. internationally. The Russian protests had nothing to do with Chanology Anonymous (and were totally outside our guidlines for protesting) but keeped the CoS from setting up shop. We are able to direct, motivate and educate allies in places we don't have a strong presence.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Here's my favorite: Moar delicious quotes served with sauce. Scientology: L. Ron Hubbard in his own words
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Use "Targets: Defense" if it's about showing the intention to infiltrate and to take over, especially the list of four targets. If it's about showing that a certain group is part of the Church of Scientology then the "Command Channels of Scientology" and similar documents on wikileaks may prove useful, at least when it comes to ABLE organizations.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Thank you for your anonymous support First meeting: 18/6 19.00 @ Café Ariman in Lund, look for yellow t-shirt.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Dear Swedes, Send fish. They're chewy and delightful. <3 the internet
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö If they are bringing in workers from other countries in Europe (especially eastern Europe) talk about the Human trafficking. Even if they aren't bringing in people. Human Trafficking is bigger in Europe than it is in the US (as far as awareness) The problem all of the Trafficking activists in Europe face is that it always turns into a discussion of Sex trafficking and they are looking for something to focus on that talks about labor abuses. You'll of course want to talk about the french trial, germany stuff etc.. IF there are no sweedish fish in Sweden where do they come from ?
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö photo recon of the ideal org: Malmö - malmo.micro.fotoalbum2.hu
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Hello anbju! Please look around the site for anything that may help you. See links also to other sites for dox that are good. There is so much out there to show why anyone that really cares should be in this fight. Keep up the good fight and we give you our support. Katie
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö I stumble upon this looking for a picture. They might be valuable ally (if they are not already Hombre or something) ScientologSekten
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Trufax: "Swedish Fish" are made and sold by a Swedish candy company, Malaco. But they aren't actually sold in Sweden as such.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Hej anbju och välkommen till den svenska Scientologi-motståndsrörelsen Pics: So, David Miscavige has been to Malmö and they also seem to have shipped in a shetload of Hungarians (and some French) for the opening. Interesting...
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö yeah and its omgzor big to look Malmö - malmo.micro.fotoalbum2.hu i thing we should do an awesome gathering at that org just to show that we care... and maybe we get som media covering to
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Had a look at these photos some days ago but missed that it was "miscavige" himself on two of them - thanks for pointing that out "skwee". They are realy making a big deal about the new org in arlöv - and its sad that we dont have as many "anonymous" in malmö as in and around stockholm. So thanks to "humanisterna" and "anbju" for doing someting - and please tell us more about what is happening and what you are up to - take pictures.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Please keep tabs on Humanisterna and make sure they don't act too much like atheist fail-trolls and keep acting like secular humanists. Love, Norway http://www.fritanke.no/NYHETER/2009/Sentral_HEF-ansatt_ut_mot_Humanisterna Heh. Otherwise, yay!
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö As I understand it, the commercial [strike] scam [/strike] organisation calling itself the 'Church of Scientology' has a privileged position in Sweden w.r. to taxes, on the same level as the Lutheran church. Is this true? If so why? (I heard the Swedish government gave way to pressure (blackmail) from the American State Department). It is a point to attack. The Volunteer ministers are known to the Germans as Vulture ministers. They are unqualified and just by being there they hamper genuine relief efforts. Their purpose is to recruit vulnerable people and at least to sell them books by LRH. All the groups linked to Scientology are fraudulent; one does not need to establish this independently in every case.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö They are not just there to recruit. Sure, good PR is a medium term goal - getting in the paper maybe or posing for photos for Freedom Magazine - but more importantly they are there to hinder relief work done by real ministers and real mental health workers. They admitted this to an undercover journalist from the BBC. Need link?
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Volunteer_Ministers This might be the link you need !!
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Maybe HEF should raid Humanisterna... I'm actually responsible for the Swedish Humanist Youth Organization's strategic communication, and am desperately trying to differentiate us from Humanisterna. There has to be a positive, secular humanist alternative in Sweden and we're it. Big commotion about Humanisternas new campaign tho (which I have strongly protested). There's a saying about humanists and herding cats... Anyway, nothing new apart from scilon comments (finally?) appearing on my blog. Not sure how to deal with them. I prefer critical discussion but this is obviously not possible ("What's wrong with working against drugs?"). It also characterizes what is so creapy about CoS - for someone who isn't in the know they seem pretty harmless. Which makes me look stupid for ducking their questions. I really appreciate your support. I am personally somewhat sceptic towards raid-type activism, since I wonder if it's possible to retain credibility in the public eye with masks, caek and "CoS = EVIL" signs. I also consider myself a defender of the ethics of debate. At the same time, I passionately agree with the cause, and we can obviously use eachothers' help. So thanks again for helping us out with info and pep talk!! Wish me luck with un-anonymity...
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö If you raid and wear a GF mask: It will encourage others to do the same, both by the emotional power of sheer numbers and by the increased anonymity safety it affords to those who are not yet namefagged. It will further "enturbulate" the local Scilons. It will generate curiosity, which will tend to bring even more Anons and others into the fight as some of the curious take time to become aware. OTOH, staying away from the protests means you accomplish none of those things. Unless you have something very advantageous to do with your time, I suggest rAIDing.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Sounds reasonable, yet.... I wonder if there are any cultural differences here, Swedes and Malmö-folks especially being unimpressed and even fed up with "activists of the day"?
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Goddamnit, that's a big fancy place for an org that's only got 50-60 members at most. (hah, and they had to bus in people all the way from effing _Hungary?!) Well, another money-sink for the church.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö What's wrong with working against drugs? Nothing, however it is very wrong to prey on vulnerable people such as addicts in need of help for recruiting purposes. It is well documented that all so called out reach programs by the organisation calling itself the church of scientology are just means of preying on vulnerable people to gain recruits. With respect to the drug addiction programs provided by the organisation calling itself the church of scientology they claim a very high success rate and yet all evidence suggests they have less success than main stream drug addiction programs. Further there are sound medical grounds for believing the purif run down (a spiritual program according to the organisation calling itself the church of scientology but used as a treatment by Narconon) is actually quite dangerous. For more intel to assist in addressing these questions go here: Narconon Exposed The organisation calling itself the church of scientology actively preys on weak people. Drugs - Narconon provides LRH tech as a gateway to the organisation; it encourages clients on to the "bridge". Criminal behaviour - those who may lack purpose in life to motivate them - Criminon provides LRH tech as a gateway to the organisation; it also encourages clients on to the "bridge". Disaster victims - the Volunteer Ministers (colloquially referred to as the Vulture Ministers) yellow tents et al believe the only way to help is to expose people to LRH tech and get them on to the "bridge". They also believe it is helping to keep mental health officials away from victims. Many reports of them getting in the way at disaster zones and basically offering back rubs in order to lure people in to listen to their recruitment drivel. Never known to be without a PR person to handle the media to ensure good coverage of their works. Stressed people - the stress test is only taken by 3 types of people: curious, "having a laugh" and stressed people wanting help. Guess what help is provided? People with "issues" - the personality test is also only taken by 3 types of people, the first two of the above and those who feel they need "answers" and are somehow lacking and want help - Guess what help is provided?
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Well, yes they have the same position on taxes as the Lutheran church - but that position is not privileged. They're incorporated as an 'allmännyttig ideell förening', literally 'non-profit organization for the public good' or idiomatically 'charitable non-profit'. Thing is, that kind organization has only a limited exemption from taxes in Sweden. Donations are never tax-deductible (to any organization). Only a subset of their taxes are exempt, and then only for activities that are considered 'for the public good'. For instance, the tax courts have repeatedly decided that selling courses for thousands of dollars to their members is not a charitable activity. Also, they don't keep proper books, so they invariably get hit with high-end estimates of their tax debts. They've been repeatedly slammed for back-taxes in Sweden. Many times. On our wiki I listed no less than NINE court-cases against them on taxation issues between 1980 and 1995 - and that's by no means a complete list! They're also registered as a religion (religöst trossamfund). But that is just a matter of registering, having a proper charter and board, and paying the registration fee, more-or-less. It comes with zero tax benefits. Now there is one bonus which they can get as a religion, which is historic and afforded to the Church of Sweden, which is essentially that they can get their membership dues collected via taxes. Other registered religious groups can now get that as well, provided they "contribute to maintaining and strengthening the fundamental values of society". Kind of a loose definition that's more-or-less there to separate serous religions from everyone else. The CoS did apply for that kind of government support. They were denied. Not on tax issues. But they did on copyright (the Zenon Panoussis affair). It pissed a lot of people off. Including a certain Norwegian who went and started Xenu.net. It's not something that really benefited Scientology though; Zenon was taking advantage of a loophole in the law, it'd probably have been closed sooner or later anyway. Sucks that the US had to make them do it, and on Scientology's behalf. Still, the CoS was the overall loser in that whole ordeal.
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö Nu, apropå Malmöorgen.. Nu när jag sett bilder så var det ju fan så stort. Större än något org de nånsin haft i Sverige, tror jag. Iaf om de äger/hyr hela huset. Harpun som jag vill skicka men inte kan eftersom jag inte är i Arlöv.. Äger de byggnaden? I så fall, vilka är den registrerad på, när köptes den, vad är taxeringsvärdet? Osv. Alltihop borde finnas på stadshuset och/eller stadsbyggnadskontoret. (offentliga uppgifter) Med ett femtiotal medlemmar (högst), och pengar som skickas uppströms direkt kan man vara rätt säker på att de inte köpte den för egna pengar. Om de nu köpte den. Om de inte köpte den blir det nog kul att se när de vräks så småningom. I likhet med Stockholm så många gånger..
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö On a side-note, the first time I saw the initials VM, I found this. Actually similar in a way to what they do, no?
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö I found this over on ESMB and it made me think of this thread. : There are many more like this on all counts of human trafficikng in the ESMB thread. Did you witness Human Trafficking in Scientology? - Page 4 - Ex Scientologist Message Board
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö scilon press release plugging their efforts in malmo: Dianetics and the Swede Life
Re: Humanists working against CoS in Malmö A tip would be to check if the scilons have asked police permission to have their stands, if such is required.
