Independent Scientology blog Milestone Two attacks ex-Scientologist and critic Chris Shelton

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  1. Independent Scientology blog Milestone Two attacks ex-Scientologist and critic Chris Shelton.

    Miletsonte Two: Idee Fixe
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  2. anon8109 Member

    kool-aid drinkers be drinking kool aid...

    but at least they're looking
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  3. Xenu damn it! People are getting paid? When do I get my check?
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  4. I honestly have no idea how they are "looking." They are applying standard Scientology tech that all criticism is natter, and that anyone who natters has O/Ws and missed withholds. They are applying standard Scientology tech that Scientology tech is never wrong, so any criticism is necessarily wrong.
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  5. wolfbane Member

    I think that's true for the hardcore indies who have made up their minds it's all DM. Those worthless fucks will be drinking the kool aid until the day they die.

    But I also think anon8109's remark is spot on for the still-in fence-sitters who lurk on the indy sites and are just starting to realize something isn't quite right. I think everytime the indies attack an ex-scn critic, or praise one of the critical books, they send out the sublimal message of "hey I looked at this and made up my own mind, you can too!"

    So it's a 50/50 crapshoot. They reinforce the indy agenda for their own followers but also debunk the avoid-all-natter habit for lurkers who haven't jumped ship yet.
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  6. Open Letter to Milestone Two, Lana Mitchell & Tom Martiniano re: your allegations.

    Sent to:

    Submitted as comment to the Milestone Two thread:
    (Not yet moderated, posted or rejected as of this writing.)

    Dear Gentlepersons,

    In the Milestone Two blog thread -
    Idee Fixe

    - you stated:
    By this Open Letter I respectfully request that you specifically identify the critics (or indeed even one critic) who "get outright paid to do it" and/or "are paid a nice sum weekly to continue their attacks and natter." I further respectfully request that you proffer evidence that said critic or critics "get outright paid to do it" and/or "are paid a nice sum weekly to continue their attacks and natter."

    By doing so, you will allow these people to make informed decisions on whether to sue you for libel, slander and/or defamation.

    Or do you speak only in generalities?

    Communicator I/C
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  8. RightOn Member

    but isn't this simply a case of trying to talk logic to a scientologist?
    There isn't any logic when it comes to the "tech" or seeing that LRH is responsible one for all the abuses.
    Same as catholics, christians..... you can't talk logically about their beliefs when their critical thinking has been erased for them. You know the whole eternity thing. "or else"
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  9. sallysock Member

    Before reading this I knew that knew that I disliked him for some reason, but couldn't remember why.
    Now, I have a new reason.
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  10. DeathHamster Member

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  11. JohnnyRUClear Member

    That is true, but it isn't always permanent. Logic can get through and change a mind. Cognitive dissonance provides the mental discomfort impetus for resorting to dusting off the ol' logic circuitry.
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  12. Quentinanon Member

    The underlying Hubbard belief system serves as the foundation for their logic. You can only persuade them to challenge the scientology belief system.
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  13. RightOn Member

    I hope the Indie 500 list never hits that 500 mark.
    I wish escape and freedom to all cut up in this second wave of lunacy and deception.
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  14. RightOn Member

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  15. sallysock Member

    Apparently it is still awaiting moderation...cause IRC's comment is not there.
    Silly peoples who refuse to "communicate."
    Say what?

    Edit: So I have been thinking (which can be dangerous) and realized that until now, I regarded indies as being about the "tech." This blog dispelled that notion. They fully attest to black pr, disconnection and sp's (us) being lied, tricked...etc.
    A good (wtf, why didn't I realize that) moment for me.
    It's not about the tech for them, it's about the source.
    That all said...I used to be a "hey indies are fucked, but at least they are no longer in the COS" person
    Just no.
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  16. Indies are fucked. They won't for a minute look.
  17. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Without the corporate structures, the properties, the $$$$$$$$$$ in the secret accounts, the lolyers, the files... etc.... the Indies can be as crazy as they want and it will never compare to the main cult. Not a chance. They may be only slightly better off as individuals, but the threat to the rest of the population is negligible. That's assuming they don't wake the rest of the way up. I expect that many of them will, without the insulation of the Clam Cave to shield them from reality.
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  18. Your Big List v Indy 500.

    Yay RightOn
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  19. I have long suspected Tom has PTSD.

    Unfortunately he couldnt have picked a worse method of dealing with it
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  20. amaX Member

    Chris Shelton is one of the most sincere people I've ever met. I am so happy for him that he pulled off the scientology shackles so quickly. It saddens me to see anyone attack him in any way, but I'm pretty sure Chris will be alright. He has the courage of his convictions to carry him through.

    Chris Shelton thinks for himself these days. Independent scientologists do not.
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  21. Quentinanon Member

    When I cast off scientology, I quickly learned that I could not be friends with indies/freezoners. They negatively stereotype you with various epithets like "crazy", "psychotic", "abberated", "PTS", "SP", etc, and will disconnect from you if you don't do and spew scientology anymore. This demonstrates that the only thing that connects scientologists is belief in Hubbard's dogma.
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  22. What may or may not be a response by Lana Mitchell to the Open Letter.

    Ideals, rationale, ethic and dynamics
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  23. Why answer when you can quote Elron

    Communication at its best
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  24. sallysock Member

    My personal favorite:
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  25. DeathHamster Member

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  26. Random guy Member

    Also, answer a short one paragraph question (say, dox anyone's getting paid?) with two pages of rambling is hardly effective communication.
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  27. amaX Member

    This blog is attracting a lot of attention at this time. Our stats are screaming flatulence –

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  28. The only people that would even bother to read that shit are the Hubbardites. I read enough Hubbard when I was in the cult. These days I try not to read him if I don't have to.
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  29. cRaZy Member


    Devotees of L. Ron Hubbard do not think nor have original thoughts, as such. They have references. And as Mankind's Greatest Friend created scripture, he saw that it was good, and he didst multiply referential and reverential datums of incomparable magnitude and incompetent ineptitude to over-populate the Scientolgists' minds with constantly changing thoughts.
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  30. Helpful contact link: Phoenix Wounded Warrior Project.
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  31. Quentinanon Member

    "What do you do to make this planet a better place to live?"
    We relentlessly expose scientology.
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  32. thesneakster Member

    Yeah, I got slapped hard for sticking up for Chris Sheldon's Rights using a quote from Hubbard's Creed of the Church of Scientology. Imagine that.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
    (I am not a Fun-DUH-Mentalist)
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  33. That is true. In fact I had noticed it before you mentioned it, and had meant to note it here because I know you sometimes post here. I hadn't gotten around to it. Glad you mentioned it.
    And, yeah, the responses were not good. To the contrary, they jumped all over Mike.

    From my perspective as an outsider, the most inexplicable comment directed at Mike is, "Still trying to enturbulate Hobson?" In my experience, Mike has done everything possible to defend, protect and promote Independent Scientology and LRH. If Mike Hobson is too liberal for Milestone Two....
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  34. sallysock Member

    Your efforts made me pause when I scrolled through the comments there yesterday.
    I have a few questions.
    I've always thought that indies were bout the "tech." The blog made me think of black pr, fair game, disconnection, not looking. etc.
    Curious to know how you feel about those things.
    /Derail Over.
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  35. wolfbane Member

    tl;dr Tom "douche bag" Martiniano says:

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  36. thesneakster Member


    I've said this before: Independent Scientologists are no more homogenous or monolithic than Anonymous. We have numerous factions and a great many individuals who hold with no faction(s) at all.

    Tom Martiniano would seem to be part of what I call the Fun-DUH-Mentalist faction. Just about every religious group has Fun-DUH-Mentalists. What makes one a Fun-DUH-Mentalist (in my own private opinion - your milage may vary) is that a person does not even know the teachings of their own religion. I am required by those same teachings to make at least an attempt at correcting the man before acting against him in public and to do so in a manner that is not what we call "Out Tech".

    All I may say at this time is that Tom's blog post was both severely Out Tech and violates multiple Hubbard policies. Also, it undermines my years long efforts to distinguish Independent Scientologists from Co$ Corporate Ronbots. :mad:

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
    *I am not a Fun-DUH-Mentalist*
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  37. Relevant? Mean-spirited gossip? You decide.
  38. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Someone's trying to enturbulate Hobson?

    These "Look Who's Target Two" people appear mental. All of them.
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  39. pooks Member

  40. The Internet Member

    Basically, the guy quoted in the OP slams someone for saying critical things about Scientology for years and years. Then he says people who slam other people have overts and withholds.

    Then people copypasta’d stuff I cannot read because too crazy.

    Time to abandon thread.
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