Independent Scientology Milestone Two addresses Art and Sex

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  1. Independent Scientology Milestone Two addresses Art and Sex.

    Milestone Two: Poetry & Candles Vol IV

    Posted by The Poet Ren
    August 22, 2015

    This week’s Theme is: ART & SEX

    The comments are of interest. While excerpted below, the entire discussion thread is worth reading if only to obtain discussion in Advanced Milestone Two Independent Scientology thinking.

    Scatjappers helpfully starts the discussion by explaining:

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    scatjappers says:

    August 22, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    Sex is a weak and clumsy substitute for actual aesthetics. Unfortunately, it is highly accessible for an overly MEST-like meat body culture, particularly one as far gone as this one. In a more “enlightened” (higher toned) society, the role of sex might be more likely substituted with games, action or some other higher tone level.

    It’s interesting that sex is normally combined with other wavelengths and wave configurations. Particularly, you’ll see this with women. You’ll find one combining sex with play. One will combine it with a cloying “want-me” flow. Another will combine sex with anger. It’s amazing to see how many ways and what variety of wavelengths can be combined with sex among humans. You’ll find almost as many such odd combinations as there are humans.

    Also interestingly, one will sometimes find that a person who seems to have little obvious appeal, is reacted to as if they have an ample serving of charisma, sex appeal or whatever. This is similar to the aforementioned combining of sex with other wavelengths. It is entirely the creation of the thetan. For whatever reason, a thetan can, at times and of his own volition, manage to project some appealing wavelength or consideration in place of what one would normally perceive about that person. The most stark examples of this can be rather plain-looking, unremarkable humans who nonetheless attract others to themselves as though they were passing out candy.

    In any case, the only reason we see so much sex in our media environment (and art) is because of the depth to which this culture has sunk.


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    Remoteviewed helpfully provides the controlling HCPOL on Pain and Sex:

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    remoteviewed says:
    August 23, 2015 at 4:54 am

    Interesting topic Ren.

    Here’s what Ron has to say about sex and pain which according to Donatien Alphonse François better known as the Marque de Sade are closely associated. Obviously. Especially when there is Fifty Shades of Gray nailing it (‘scuse the pun ;) ) at the Box Office.

    HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
    (Note: This HCOB probably won’t increase my popularity but I would be very remiss if I did not pass on an important discovery.)

    There are two items in this universe that cause more trouble than many others combined.
    One is PAIN.
    The other is SEX.
    One should know more about these things.
    They may have applications but they are used by destructive beings in great volume to cave others in.
    Despite the false data of Freud, psychologists, psychiatrists and other criminals, they are not native to a being. They are only artificial wavelengths. They have exact frequencies that can be manufactured. A being or a machine can synthesize either one.
    Pain becomes a lock on a being’s abhorrence for misalignment of his own electrical flows. It is a lock upon unconsciousness which shuts off knowingness.
    Sex is a lock on and perversion of the “joy of creation” which involves a whole being and expands him, but by using just one wavelength, sex, this can be perverted and he contracts.
    When pain enters a scene, a being withdraws, contracts and can go unconscious.
    When sex enters the scene, a being fixates and loses power.
    Destructive creatures who do not want people big or reaching—since they are terrified of punishment due to their crimes—invented pain and sex to shrink people and cut their alertness, knowingness, power and reach.
    Thus, you see people who are “experiencing” either pain or sex introverting and not producing much.
    Pain and sex were the INVENTED tools of degradation.
    Believe it or not, a being can be so overwhelmed by either that he or she becomes an addict of it. Priests become flagellants and cut themselves to pieces with self-whipping.

    Torturers drool over pain. Lovers are very seldom happy. People do the most irrational things when overcharged with sex, and prostitutes use it as a knowing stock- in-trade. Combined, pain and sex make up the insane Jack-the-Rippers (who killed only prostitutes) and the whole strange body of sex-murder freaks, including Hinckley, and the devotees of late-night horror movies. Under the false data of the psychs (who have been on the track a long time and are the sole cause of decline in this universe) both pain and sex are gaining ground in this society and, coupled with robbery which is a hooded companion of both, may very soon make the land a true jungle of crime.
    Go into an asylum or a prison and look at the increasing institutional population and know what you are looking at. In the main, these are pain and sex addicts, decadent and degraded and no longer capable. They were sent on that route down through the ages by the psychs and here they are still in the psychs’ hands! And do they get well or go straight? Oh no. Whether in prisons or insane asylums they just get worse. And the psychs in both places rub their bloodied hands as they turn their products loose again upon the remaining population! It’s no accident. And the stocks- in-trade of psychs are PAIN and SEX. They will even tell you it’s “natural” to steal!
    To compound their felony—if that is possible—they tell you it’s the body doing it. Another crashing big false datum on top of all their other lies.
    These are data which emerged from recent thorough research of the whole track. This is not theory or some strange opinion. It is provable electronic fact. The waves are just synthesized.
    They are the most-used tools in the campaign against beings in furthering the general goal of those creatures whose sole ambition is destruction. The universe does not happen to be either destructive or chaotic except as such obsessed creeps make it. Statements it is otherwise are just more false data from the same suspect “authorities.” It fits their purposes to make seem natural what they make artificially. The universe only seems that way to a being because such loathsome psychotics make it seem so. They destroyed every great civilization to date and are hard at work on this one. The one thing they can’t stand is the light of truth, so despite their objections, one must turn it on them. Only in its glare do their lies wither. It is the potent weapon they can’t fend off.
    These facts may not be very palatable. But they could clear up some mysteries for you.
    For wherever there is a mystery (and both pain and sex have been these for man) there are answers. As both pain and sex could have messed up your life, the above may be some answers you’ve been looking for.

    L. RON HUBBARD Founder

    Actually “it’s the facts mam'” which drives the critics of the subject crazy who try to compare Scientology to Puritanism but really if one looks at 2D Rules one finds that Scientologists pretty much have a lot of freedom to aberate themselves and that the above HCOB is merely a caveat.

    Part of the triad which gained popularity in the sixties along with “Drugs and Rock n’ Roll”. Drugs in particular, particularly LSD was promoted heavily by our spooky friends on the dark side in the CIA Technical Services Staff.


    Anyway as they say. There’s is so much on the topic to say. Yet so little time to say it Ren ;)

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    To which Scatjappers responds:

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    scatjappers says:

    August 23, 2015 at 8:03 am


    I’m glad you characterized “Pain and Sex” as a caveat. I’ve seen entirely too much hysteria surrounding this particular HCOB. The HCOB is simply an unvarnished report of research findings, and shouldn’t be met with a lot of emotional response. And it should be read in context with all the other things that LRH has said on sex and pain.

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    4a and Remoteviewed later contribute:

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    4a says:
    August 23, 2015 at 9:22 am

    Yes it is a good point Paul, and thanks for posting RV.

    I havnt read this HCOB for a long time, just the critics response to it. LRH is not saying anything in this that isnt plainly visible, ie, sex obsessed people and many people stuck in a pain laden personal hell, but at the same time he says this-

    “They may have applications but they are used by destructive beings in great volume to cave others in.”

    So my take on this is, they have their place, pain is a warning system for the body and sex can be a fun create, that at times ends up producing little munchkins, which can be a great enjoyment to teach and have around and create the future society we will come back to.

    But take pain and sex to excess and they are terrifically introverting for a being. That is very plainly obvious.

    remoteviewed says:
    August 23, 2015 at 9:34 am

    I agree 4a.

    But you know how these motivatorish cases are. They take everything that Ron writes and pervert it which pretty much tells one where they are on the Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation.

    However I think the “solution” is not to make Scientology “politically correct” but to bring them up to a level of understanding and duplication of the philosophy instead.

    Otherwise skip it because one is dealing with a two dimensional worm in a three dimensional universe ;)

    It’s all about granting beingness. Doncha know

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    Again, the entire discussion thread is worth reading if only to obtain discussion in Advanced Milestone Two Independent Scientology thinking.
  2. The subject of Going Clear comes up. Remoteviewed explains that Going Clear is "black propaganda" that does not rise to the level of art like Triumph of the Will.

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    remoteviewed says:

    August 24, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    Personally I don’t keying people into shit is all that bad since it should key out in 3-10 days ;)

    Personally I wouldn’t consider the “doc” Going Clear art by any stretch of the imagination. More like black propaganda though some prop rises to art like say Triumph of the Will and some “art” lowers itself to prop like for example Zero Dark Thirty. I’d say neither apply in this case and it seems like the Sundance Committee agrees.

    Regarding taste or lack thereof. I mean there are all kinds of people who like porno movies and Justin Beiber which is about as far away from art as one can get IMHO.

    But as long as they are off somewhere jerkin’ off on their keyboard not bothering anyone. Who am I to judge.

    As long as the pornography in question is between consenting adults and doesn’t involve the exploitation of minors.

    But hey.

    Art since it is a communication or more accurately the quality of communication involves freedom of speech.

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