'Innocence of Muslims' outrage?

Discussion in 'Freedom of Expression' started by Anonymous, Sep 14, 2012.

  1. Anonymous Member

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  2. Anonymous Member

    xenu and farakhan akhbar !!
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  3. Random guy Member

    Some Muslims live in parts of the world where the concept of "dissenting voices" are virtually unknown. They need to world-clear "civilized dispute" and "trolling" and not go all butthurt over people finding their ideas ridiculous.
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  4. Anonymous Member

    When someone I never met from a continent I've never visited posts a video on youtube that mocks my religion, my only recourse for justice is to violently attack the ambassador of their country.

    If people from their country are shocked at my reaction, they should blame the person who posted the video, because I am not responsible for my actions when provoked so savagely by a youtube video.
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  5. Anonymous Member

    You geniuses don't even know if that^ is the real reason these riots occurred.
    How about just general hatred for a murderous oppressor?

    OIf course, you've never had to fight for anything in your pampered lives.
  6. Random guy Member

    No, the real reason is these people live shitty lives because if a shitty system and an equally shitty local economy. The film is just the trigger.
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  7. Anonymous Member

    social justice at work
  8. hokum Member

    Excitable fellow, Johnny Muslim.
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  9. Anonymous Member

    It's about respect, something some people just don't undertsand.
  10. Anonymous Member

    What is there to respect? What has Islam achieved this century?
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  11. Anonymous Member

    I thought Gaddafi was dead?
  12. Anonymous Member

    Talking about YOU.
  13. Anonymous Member

    Nah. I've never even been to Libya.
  14. Anonymous Member

    You pay US tax? That's more than enough.
  15. Anonymous Member

    God? I knew you'd show up to this discussion.
  16. Anonymous Member

    I don't pay US tax either.
  17. Anonymous Member

    EU tax will do. We won't discriminate.
  18. Anonymous Member

    I don't pay EU tax either. My taxes did pay for helping keep Gaddafi's forces, especial the armor, pinned down so that the rebels had a chance.

    I know the rebels wanted western countries to send ground forces to remove Libya's murderous oppressor, but then it wouldn't have been their victory, would it?
  19. Anonymous Member

    That "victory" will prove very costly, be assured.
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  20. Anonymous Member

    The "dumb" button works and it helps people avoid responding to trolls.
  21. Anonymous Member

    How very... Scientological.
    You've learned well.
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  22. Random guy Member

    It's also about respect being something you earn, not something you are automatically granted because you think your big daddy in the sky is bigger and daddyer than their big daddy in the sky.
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  23. Anonymous Member

    Or because your gun is bigger than someone else's. It's a two-way street.

    You don't grant a person respect when you meet them? I'd like to see how that works out for ya.
  24. Random guy Member

    No, I grant then civility. Works like a charm.
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  25. Anonymous Member

    ^ No I do not respect someone when first meeting them they have to earn my respect and I have to earn theirs'. FYI it's worked quite well for me through life and kept unwanted elements away from me.
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  26. I loved Dr. Kamau Bell's rationale for not showing a clip of the film. His reasoning: It sucks, and it's offensive to writing, acting, directing, etc. If you don't watch Totally Biased, you really should. Funny, very intelligent man.
  27. muldrake Member

    Incidentally, these attacks are incredibly unpopular among the Libyans, most of whom remember we just helped them get rid of a brutal dictator.

    Here's a bunch of photos of Libyans decrying and apologizing over these events.

    I wish I could say the same about Egypt, but Morsi is acting like the Islamist thug he is.

    It appears the entire movie was a fraud and the people behind it solely created it with the deliberate intent of inciting terrorism or, possibly, as an act of material assistance to the terrorists.

    It appears the film's creator is a convicted criminal named Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who violated numerous terms of his probation, which prohibit him from being online or using false names, like "Sam Bacile."

    I hope this clown isn't a naturalized citizen, so when he's done with his prison term, he can be deported back to the hellhole that shat him into the world. Of course, it's a big assumption that he lives that long. There are numerous Muslims in prison, and I think they might enjoy having a heart-to-heart religious discussion with him.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    Be great to have a picture of the perpetrator.
  29. Rockyj Member

    Image is gross but point well made but there's more to this than just very bad movie.
  30. Anonymous Member

    The US needs to GTFO of the Middle East. Really think about it. How many lives and how much treasure have been lost there already?
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  31. mongrel Member

    Am I the only one that's simply getting tired of these whiny rampaging ragheads?

    Oh, poor babies, so you got offended? Well, I'm offended that you destroy priceless historical relics, treat women worse than cattle, would rather children literally die in a fire than be "immodest", ban freedom of thought, and... and...... Do I really need to go on? But do you see me setting fire to the Saudi, Egyptian, Iranian, or Lebanese embassies? Sure, you see the occasionally loonies. But please cite the last time an angry mob burned a mosque in the western world. Then compare that to the number of synagogues, churches, and temples that have been burned by rampaging ragheads (with or without actual rags on their heads).

    tl;dr Fuck you and your profit muhammed p.b.u.h
    (piss be upon him)


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  32. Anonymous Member

    Funny how you don't notice the damage that your precious USA has done not only in the Middle East, but the world over. All y'all know how to do is fuck shit up, nothing but.

    I have no dog in this fight, but may Sharia law reign in the US one day. Remember there are one billion Muslims, and they aren't soft like y'all..

    I'll laugh myself to death from my distant outpost. Fuck all y'all rednex.
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  33. Rockyj Member

    Sick & a very bad movie! But I don't understand why Muslim's would allow their tails to get so ruffled about a movie that was created by a criminal, racist douche bag, who is basically a poor excuse for a human being! Why give this douche bag your POWER? By doing so you're giving this asshole what he wants and as a result becoming douche bags yourselves!
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  34. Random guy Member

    Or as we often say here: Don't feed the troll.

    Amazing how good that advice is!
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  35. Anonymous Member

    The British and the French fucked y'all A-Rabs about 200 years ago before the 'Mericans came around.

    Bunch of fucking savages in this town.
  36. lol this ^

    Do you really think the US could do what it do without the active collaboration of the rest of the world? Cry more, then follow the winding trail of euros that begins in your own backyard. While you're at it, enjoy the dissolution of the EU, should make for interesting times. Weimar Republic redux anyone?
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  37. Anonymous Member

    US media angrily marvels at the lack of Muslim gratitude

    NBC News, along with a leading US newspaper, insist that Egyptians should be grateful to the US for having 'freed' them
    An injured Egyptian protester looks on during clashes with riot police near the US embassy in Cairo. Photograph: Khaled Desouki/AFP/Getty Images
    One prominent strain shaping American reaction to the protests in the Muslim world is bafflement, and even anger, that those Muslims are not more grateful to the US. After all, goes this thinking, the US bestowed them with the gifts of freedom and democracy – the very rights they are now exercising – so how could they possibly be anything other than thankful? Under this worldview, it is especially confounding that the US, their savior and freedom-provider, would be the target of their rage.

    On Wednesday, USA Today published an article with the headline "After attacks in Egypt and Libya, USA Today asks: Why?" The paper appeared to tell its readers that it was the US that freed the Egyptian people from tyranny:
    "Attacks in Libya that left four US diplomats dead – including Ambassador Christopher Stevens – and a mob invasion of the US Embassy in Cairo, in which the US flag was torn to shreds, have left many to wonder: How can people the USA helped free from murderous dictators treat it in such a way?"
    Did you know that the "USA helped free" Egyptians from their murderous dictator? On Thursday night, NBC News published a nine-minute report on Brian Williams' "Rock Center" program featuring its foreign correspondent, Richard Engel, reporting on the demonstrations in Cairo, which sounded exactly the same theme. Standing in front of protesting Egyptians in Tahrir Square, Engel informed viewers that this was all so very baffling because it was taking place "in Cairo, where the US turned its back on its old friend Hosni Mubarak", and then added:
    "It is somewhat ironic with American diplomats inside the embassy who helped to give these demonstrators, these protesters, a voice, and allowed them to actually carry out these anti-American clashes that we're seeing right now."
    That it was the US who freed Egyptians and "allowed them" the right to protest would undoubtedly come as a great surprise to many Egyptians. That is the case even beyond the decades of arming, funding and general support from the US for their hated dictator (to his credit, Engel including a snippet of an interview with Tariq Ramadan pointing out that the US long supported the region's dictators).

    Beyond the long-term US support for Mubarak, Egyptians would likely find it difficult to reconcile Engel's claim that the US freed them with the "made in USA" logos on the tear gas cannisters used against them by Mubarak's security forces; or with Hillary Clinton's touching 2009 declaration that "I really consider President and Mrs Mubarak to be friends of my family"; or with Obama's support for Mubarak up until the very last minute when his downfall became inevitable; or with the fact that the Obama administration plan was to engineer the ascension of the loathed, US-loyal torturer Omar Suleiman as Mubarak's replacement in the name of "stability".

    Given the history of the US in Egypt, both long-term and very recent, it takes an extraordinary degree of self-delusion and propaganda to depict Egyptian anger toward the US as "ironic" on the ground that it was the US who freed them and "allowed" them the right to protest. But that is precisely the theme being propagated by most US media outlets.

    Even in Libya, where it's certainly true that many Libyans are happy about the Nato intervention, this bafflement is misplaced. It's always the case that some portion of the populace of an invaded nation will be happy about even the most unjustified invasions: that the Kurds are thrilled by the Iraq war is a fact still cited by Iraq war advocates as proof of the war's justness and wisdom.

    But it's also the case that such invasions produce extreme anger, as well: among the families of those killed by the invading forces, or who suffer from the resulting lawlessness and instability. Combine that with the fact that it was repeatedly noted that US involvement in Libya meant that anti-US extremists, including al-Qaida, were being armed and empowered by the US, it is far from mystifying, as Secretary Clinton insisted, that some people in Libya are deeply hostile to the US and want to do it harm.

    In the same report, Engel also spent several moments explaining that the primary reason these Muslims have such animosity toward the US is because their heads have been filled for years with crazy conspiracy theories about how the US and Israel are responsible for their woes. These conspiracies, he said, were fed to them by their dictators to distract attention from their own corruption.

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  38. Anonymous Member

    Let's leave aside the irony of the American media decrying crazy "conspiracy theories" in other countries, when it is the US that attacked another country based on nonexistent weapons and fabricated secret alliances with al-Qaida. One should acknowledge that there is some truth to Engel's claim that the region's tyrants fueled citizen rage toward the US and Israel as a means of distracting from their own failings and corruption.

    But to act as though Muslim anger toward the US and Israel is primarily the by-product of crazy conspiracy theories is itself a crazy conspiracy theory. It's in the world of reality, not conspiracy, where the US and Israel have continuously brought extreme amounts of violence to the Muslim world, routinely killing their innocent men, women and children. Listening to Engel, one would never know about tiny little matters like the bombing of Gaza and Lebanon, the almost five-decade long oppression of Palestinians, the widely hated, child-killing drone campaign, or the attack on Iraq.

    And it's in the world of reality, not conspiracy, where the US really has continuously interfered in their countries' governance by propping up and supporting their dictators. Intense Muslim animosity toward the US, including in Egypt, long pre-dates this film, and the reasons aren't hard to discern. That's precisely why the US supported tyranny in these countries for so long: to ensure that the citizens' views, so contrary to US policy, would be suppressed and rendered irrelevant.

    It doesn't take a propagandized populace to be angry at the US for such actions. It takes a propagandized populace to be shocked at that anger and to view it with bafflement and resentment on the ground that they should, instead, be grateful because we "freed" them.

    But to see why exactly such a propagandized populace exists in the US and has been led to believe such myth and conspiracies, simply read that USA Today article or watch the NBC News report on these protests as they convince Americans that gratitude, rather than resentment, should be the sentiment people in that region feel toward the US.
    Al-Jazeera program

    On Wednesday, I participated in an excellent discussion on al-Jazeera's Inside Story, along with former National Security Council official Hillary Mann Leverett and the Muslim scholar at Georgetown, Jonathan Brown, on many of these issues. Everyone agreed, needless to say, that there is no excuse or justification for attacking American officials based on anger over a film, but the discussion focused on some of the broader issues relating to these protests:

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  39. Anonymous Member

    You make a good forensic point, but what you miss is that Libyans and others are taking their natural power (to self-rule as they see fit) back. This is their inalienable right and their entitlement.

    Nothing entitles the US to rule anywhere but in the US, no matter how many dinars they've sent any given despotic dictator. Libyans were mostly better off under Khaddafi, regardless of what the Western running-dog, stenographic press may have written. Do check the history of the 20th century to be sure.

    You may find fault with the violent methods, but this is just an eye for an eye. I agree that this makes the whole world blind potentially, but this is the way humans are. What would Americans do, were the shoe on the other foot? Did you not revolt against your British oppressors at one time? Were your revolution and the War of 1812 not brutally violent? You are no different from anyone else (OK, excepting the Indians of 1947) in this respect.

    Objectivity works, and it helps people (understand).
  40. Anonymous Member

    Ausfag here. Not sure why Australian muslims are attacking Australian police over a movie made by an Egyptian in the USA. Also not sure why you would want Sharia law anywhere. I don't want muslims or westerners to be under Sharia law. I prefer civilization over barbarism.
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