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'Innocence of Muslims' outrage?

Discussion in 'Freedom of Expression' started by Anonymous, Sep 14, 2012.

  1. BlackUnicorn Member

    The movie trailer sucked, facepalmed multiple times due to the historical inaccuracies.

    Edit: Also Arabs didn't speak with American accents back then.
  2. The, Quaran, Ahadith, sunna and tafseer each provide that Muhammad is the ideal role model for human conduct, and that Islam requires violence against apostates. These are the documents that orthodox Muslims believe. Propaganda published to promote islam as "the religion of peace" is not remotely authoritative. It is a requirement of Islam to never criticise Muhammad or the Quran or allow them to be disdained. That's why they are promoted deceptively - just like scientology.

    "Religion of peace" is the true "out of context".

    Muhammad had people killed for making making fun of him, according to the central documents of Islam. He is the role model. That's the context.

    If you are interesed in these facts, and are not just making an argument from ignorance, you can read these central, source documents. If you don't really care, too much, you could just read the links, below.

    You might think islam is speaking out its ass - so be it.

    You can dismiss those central sources if you like. The Quran is indeed a load of rubbish and Muhammad, as portrayed in the ahadith and sunna, was indeed a malignant, vindictive manipulator. But if you, as a Muslim, claim to believe the Quran is the word of God, and Muhammad is the ideal man, you can't criticize his conduct, and commands - wife beating, child marriage, slavery, amputation etc.

    If, regardless of this, you say the violence, the slavery, the repression of women is "out of context", then there is absolutely nothing that you won't be able to exonerate as out of context.

    If you think every Muslim who thinks sharia law trumps man-made law, is taking things out of context, then you have the majority of muslims taking things "out of context".

    It's not really open to dispute that Islam demands violence, Muhammad carried out and ordered that violence, and Muhammad is the perfect Islamic role model. None of that is out of context.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked...e-ethical-and-spiritual-character-of-Muhammad

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

    http://www.webcitation.org/query?ur...M/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec2.htm&date=2012-08-25
  3. Anonymous Member

    I've never been attacked by a Muslim, so I don't care what their holy book says.

    All religion is bullshit anyway.
    You can't prove a god exists, though you can believe it if it makes you feel good.
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  4. usmman27 Member

    I would like to say that I am in full support of Muslims, even though I am Christian. I graduated with a BA degree not to long ago and it has not been until recent years that we saw anything ",modern" in the history books. I have a lot of friends who are Muslim. They are the most peaceful people I have met. Although some have issues with my sexuality, they tend to treat me with respect. I wished I was allowed to teach because I would teach tollerance. I am not allowed to teach in my state because people think I am too liberal. Anyway, I am with Muslims annd as a Christian I think we should work hand in hand to build a better future.
  5. Daverator Member

    In order to teach in your state, do you have to submit a writing sample? If the answer is yes, then that's why you can't get a teaching job.
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  6. Anonymous Member

    Nothing wrong with it IMO, but are you saying you're gay?
    It's hard to teach tolerance to people who have been educated otherwise.

    I think Daverator is trying to say that you should use a spelling and grammar checker (MS Word is pretty good).

    What's not said about Muslims ITT is that they revere and respect Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and the Prophets, though they revere Mohammed most of all, which is their prerogative.

    It would be interesting to open up Islam to "form criticism", but I don't think this will happen any time soon.

    Most teaching of history is biased depending on nation and culture, unfortunately. Very few unbiased histories out there.
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  7. usmman27 Member

    I do apologize. I try my best. I am legally blind.
  8. usmman27 Member

    That is what I am trying to tell you. If you have a disability in the United States, you are pretty much screwed.
  9. The Wrong Guy Member

    Muslim Brotherhood 'paying gangs to go out and rape women and beat men protesting in Egypt' as thousands of demonstrators pour on to the streets
    • Activists claim there have been nearly 20 attacks in the last 10 days
    • Country has seen rise in mob sex attacks on protestors in the last year
    • Demonstrators in Tahrir Square yesterday protested against a draft constitution approved by allies of President Morsi
    • Muslim Brotherhood today marched in support of the president
    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241374/Muslim-Brotherhood-paying-gangs-rape-women-beat-men-protesting-Egypt-thousands-demonstrators-pour-streets.html
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  10. How will the anon Hamas supporters/lovers spin this?
  11. Anonymous Member

    Perhaps they could ask the Arabs to go back to Arabia and leave Egypt to the Copts.

    But, no, they will definitely blame the Khazars.
  12. There is really no need to use the word, "Khazar".
    Please don't. It is a slur.
    Thanks.
  13. Anonymous Member

    Point taken.
  14. Thank you.
  15. http://gawker.com/american-student-killed-in-egypt-during-antigovernment-617873607

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  17. The Wrong Guy Member

    Bel Trew describes herself as a "Cairo-based journalist tweeting about Egypt, the Middle East, and the Arab Spring."

    Bel Trew - بل ترو@Beltrew 1m
    Unconfirmed reports the military have taken over Fayoum Governorate HQ and dismissed governor - need verification on this
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  18. The Wrong Guy Member

    Electronic Frontier Foundation Urges Appeals Court to Reconsider Dangerous Copyright Ruling

    Decision About “Innocence of Muslims” Video Could Be Disastrous for Free Speech

    The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is urging a federal appeals court to reconsider its decision to order Google to take down the controversial "Innocence of Muslims" video while a copyright lawsuit — based on a claim that the Copyright Office itself has rejected — is pending. As EFF explains, the decision sets a dangerous precedent that could have disastrous consequences for free speech.

    "Innocence of Muslims" sparked protests worldwide in the fall of 2012. For a time, its anti-Islamic content was even linked to the violent attack on an American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, although that was later refuted. An actress named Cindy Lee Garcia, after being tricked into appearing in the film for just five seconds, claimed she held a copyright in that performance. She sued Google for copyright infringement and asked the court to order Google to take the video offline. The district court refused, noting that it could not restrain speech massed on nothing more than a highly debatable copyright claim. On appeal, a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit agreed that the copyright claim was not strong, but nonetheless ordered Google to take down all copies of the video. It even issued a gag order, preventing Google from talking about the controversial decision for a full week.

    "This video is a matter of extreme public concern – the center of a roiling, global debate," EFF Intellectual Property Director Corynne McSherry said. "The injunction in place now means we can still talk about the video – but we can't see what we are actually talking about. While the injunction stretched the First Amendment beyond its intent, the gag order snapped it in half. It delayed the public and the press from discovering this unprecedented copyright decision, and prevented others from challenging the ruling."

    In an amicus brief filed today, EFF argues that the full appeals court must reconsider the earlier decision in order to protect free speech in the debate over the film and also to safeguard the future of free expression online.

    "This decision means that any number of creative contributors – from actors to makeup artists to set designers – could be entitled to royalties and even control over the distribution of works they were paid to contribute to," said EFF Staff Attorney Nate Cardozo. "Such a rule would stifle creative expression for big studios and amateur filmmakers alike. While we can understand Garcia's desire to distance herself from this film, copyright law is not designed to address the harm she suffered by suppressing the global debate on a matter of public concern."

    The American Civil Liberties Union, Public Knowledge, the Center for Democracy and Technology, New Media Rights, the American Library Association, the Association of College and Research Libraries, and the Association of Research Libraries joined EFF in this brief.

    Continued at https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-urges-appeals-court-reconsider-dangerous-copyright-ruling
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  19. The Wrong Guy Member

    London's Holy Turf War



    Published by VICE News on April 22, 2014

    Over the last year a quasi-religious turf war has sprung up on the streets of London. Young radicalised Muslim patrols are enforcing Shariah law in the capital. In reaction, far right Christian Patrols are also taking the law into their own hands.

    Since the Woolwich killing, anti-Muslim rhetoric as been at an all time high, and the right-wing Christian Patrols are only exacerbating the rising tensions.

    These two marginalised but potentially dangerous London subcultures believe that society has failed their communities enough that they are now taking to the streets to implement or defend their ways of life, according to their opposing politicised and religious ideologies.

    The irony being that while their shared aggressive approach has resulted in media coverage and media panic, they ultimately are responsible for and justify each other's existence.

    Alex Miller meets the leaders and footsoldiers in Britain's holy street patrols, the Anjem Choudary's followers Muslim Patrol and Paul Golding of Britain First's Christian Patrol, in the same area he lives and works, to find out just how effective their operations are, and how genuine their belief is in the battle for East London's streets.
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  20. The Wrong Guy Member

    Police officer hacks suspect to death with an axe during interrogation in Pakistan after he 'insulted the Prophet'

    By Jenny Awford, Daily Mail Online

    A police officer allegedly hacked a suspect to death with an axe during an interrogation after he uttered 'derogatory remarks' about the Prophet.

    Syed Tufail Haider, 45, was arrested for wounding two people in Gujrat, Pakistan, but got into a heated argument with Assistant Sub-Inspector Faraz Naveed while in custody.

    The senior police officer then allegedly struck Mr Haider on the neck with an axe lying in the room at Civil Lines station, a blow which resulted in immediate death, according to the authorities.

    This comes just two days after a Christian labourer and his pregnant wife were beaten to death and burned on top of a brick kiln for throwing out a dead relative's Koran in Pakistan.

    Continued here:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-interrogation-Pakistan-insulted-Prophet.html
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  21. not much to say about the beliefs. tolorance .mindset of people that would murder.over a movie.or kill each other,as difference of sunni or sheia.there are 5 billion people.not just 1 billion muslims
  22. Random guy Member

    Good Grief!

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