Discussion in 'News And Current Events' started by iraniam, Dec 27, 2011.
Point. Game. Set.
There is a 2-mile wide shipping lane that is international waters. Any boat from any country is entitled unobstructed passage. The Persian nattering is talk, not reality.
The UN called out Iran. Do you have any proof to the contrary? I would be much more nervous around an 8-year old with a pellet gun than I would be around responsible, experienced hunters with 12-gauge shot guns and 30 ought 6 deer rifles.
You have a funny definition of "own."
Yes. "The ayatollahs" should just die, like Kim Jong-Il... amirite?
What do you guys think about the current efforts to put sanctions on Iran's oil?
Do you think it would be effective? What outcomes do you predict it will have?
Its a precursor to yet another United States illegal invasion, on-going occupation, and corporate looting of a pesky sovereign state. The US economy is dependent on there being a war to fight somewhere and peace is breaking out all over the place. Gotta find the poor unemployed something to do, might as well round up as much of the remaining global oil reserves as possible.
Iran denies test-firing long-range missiles in Gulf
Having their entire Navy in one convenient location is not a particularly wise strategy. I imagine they know that quite well already.
like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
White House: Iran Warning on Persian Gulf Shows 'Weakness'
Go ahead, Bam: Call the mullahs’ bluff
Tehran’s empty threat to close the Strait of Hormuz represents an opportunity for America. If President Obama plays his cards right, he could help slow Iran’s nuclear threat, promote hopes of regime change there, regain some lost trust with Israelis — and even boost his re-election chances.
All he has to do is publicly tear off the mullahs’ mask of invincibility.
On Tuesday, Iran ended its 10-day Persian Gulf muscle-flexing by issuing a stark warning for the US Navy’s aircraft carrier John C. Stennis: Stay out of the Gulf.
“I advise, recommend and warn” against “the return of this carrier to the Persian Gulf, because we are not in the habit of warning more than once,” said Iran’s armed-forces chief Major Gen. Ataollah Salehi.
As most military analysts will tell you, the Iranian on-again-off-again threat to block the major naval artery, through which a third of the world’s shipped crude oil passes daily, is an empty threat.
The mullahs are out to derail the sanctions America enacted at the new year, when it slapped Iran’s central bank in hopes of crippling Iran’s oil exports. The regime combined the threat on the strait (meant to spook the oil markets) with an offer to launch new talks with the West: It wants to return to the old diplomacy-threat-diplomacy cycle that has worked so well for it for decades.
In fact, Iran’s naval capabilities are so inferior to America’s that Tehran simply won’t hazard a confrontation. “I don’t believe the Iranians would dare to block the Strait of Hormuz,” says Ronen Bergman, one of Israel’s best-plugged-in intelligence analysts and author of “The Secret War With Iran.”
Iran, a superior player on the regional chess board, is really hoping for new negotiations — thus slowing the Euro-American sanction drive and gaining more time to advance its nuclear program.
Obama’s best counter is to pass on the chess match — and instead play a game he’s said to be great at: poker. Call Salehi’s bluff. Immediately send a carrier through Hormuz and use TV cameras (and his briefing of Pentagon reporters today) to show the world that the Gulf is open for all shipping.
A Wall Street Journal editorial suggested just that yesterday — but didn’t note how, even in Obama’s view of international relations, this move has few downsides (closing shipping lanes is a huge international law no-no) and many benefits.
By exposing Iran’s naval weakness, we may be able to peel off some of Tehran’s enablers (from small Gulf states to Latin American Chavistas) who value military muscle and ally themselves with Iran partly because they believe it’s a rising power.
And exposing the Great and Powerful Iran as just a little man behind a curtain should boost Iran’s internal dissent (which is growing quietly) as well.
Then there’s Israel. As Bergman told journalists yesterday at a briefing organized by The Israel Project, Israelis increasingly believe that “on a tactical level, sanctions do work,” but strategically, “they haven’t achieved the desired outcome” of stopping Iran’s nuclear drive. Also, he says, many Israelis believe that the covert operations that have long slowed down Iran’s race to the bomb are now “past their peak” effectiveness.
All of this (and the growing assumption that Jerusalem won’t wait for a US “green light” for a wider military operation) makes a military-averse Obama administration rather uneasy about Israel’s next move. A bold maneuver in the Gulf now could help regain some trust in Jerusalem and lead to better coordination with Washington.
Finally, sending ships into the Gulf could add a dimension to Obama’s “I killed Osama bin Laden and Khadafy” campaign boasts — countering Republican plans to exploit Obama’s perceived weakness on Iran.
Long term, the safest move here, for the president and for the nation, is to heed Adm. David Farragut: Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/go_ahead_bam_call_the_mullahs_bluff_hIEQPk5V7qAQdQ7Qd24rSI#ixzz1ic80Ygww
Iran, US and Israel announce new war games as tensions rise in the Gulf
Where will the joint Israeli/US exercise take place? Cause Israel is not anywhere near Iran or the strait of Hormuz.
As closely to Iran as possible.
If Iran is so far from Israel, why does the Israeli government do so much sabre-rattling over Iran's military capabilities? Either it's a threat, or it is not.
Obviously Iran is a threat if it has long range missiles, which it does. If I'm not mistaken one of the Shahab missiles (possibly shahab 3) can reach Israel and some of the European countires such as Italy and Greece. Long range weapons in hands of a rogue irrational regime obviously is a threat.
But in terms of the exercise, I'm just curious where it will physically take place. Normally exercises are conducted at sea, but Israel is on the mediterenian and red seas, while Iran is on the Indian Ocean.
It would be national suicide to attack Israel. Iran will never do such a thing. The US and Israel need to lay off the paranoia pills.
I agree that Iran will never attack Israel. But better safe than sorry from the US and Israel's perspective, hence the exercise.
In any event, Iran will never start an open war with anyone, the regime is just too weak and cannot afford national unrest that will surely ensue if there is a war. I bet right now Iran is very nervously watching whether Assad's regime in Syria would surive.
The joint US-Israeli presence in the Gulf is PROVOKING tensions.
The best thing to do with Iran is ignore it completely.
inb4 oh noez! we must save the jews from their destruction!
as if the world wouldn't go on, anyway, meh
stoke the fires of hell
Strangling Iran and closing Hormuz
Iran says received U.S. letter on Hormuz Strait
http://en.irangreenvoice.com/articl...rangreenvoice/En (Iran Green Voice - English)
I think back in the 80's they tried this and Regan had the US Navy fuck them niggas up. For real and they filmed it.
Khamenei’s Advisors Respond to Obama’s Letter
After threats, Iran plays down U.S. naval moves
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...reuters/worldNews (News / US / International)
U.S. aircraft carrier enters Gulf without incident
[QUOTE](Reuters) - A U.S. aircraft carrier sailed through the Strait of Hormuz and into the Gulf without incident on Sunday, a day after Iran backed away from an earlier threat to take action if an American carrier returned to the strategic waterway.
The carrier USS Abraham Lincoln completed a "regular and routine" passage through the strait, a critical gateway for the region's oil exports, "as previously scheduled and without incident," said Lieutenant Rebecca Rebarich, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Fifth Fleet.
The Lincoln, accompanied by strike group of warships, was the first U.S. aircraft carrier to enter the Gulf since late December and was on a routine rotation to replace the outgoing USS John C. Stennis.
The departure of the Stennis prompted Iranian army chief Ataollah Salehi to threaten action if the carrier passed back into the Gulf.
"I recommend and emphasize to the American carrier not to return to the Persian Gulf. ... We are not in the habit of warning more than once," he said.
The threat led to a round of escalating rhetoric between the two sides that spooked oil markets and raised the specter of a military confrontation between Iran and the United States.
Iran threatened to close the strait, the world's most important oil shipping gateway, while the United States warned such a move would require a response by Washington, which routinely patrols international sea lanes to ensure they remain open.
Iran appeared to ease away from its earlier warnings on Saturday, with Revolutionary Guard Corps Deputy Commander Hossein Salami telling the official IRNA news agency that the return of U.S. warships to the Gulf was routine and not an increase in its permanent presence in the region.
"U.S. warships and military forces have been in the Persian Gulf and the Middle East region for many years and their decision in relation to the dispatch of a new warship is not a new issue and it should be interpreted as part of their permanent presence," Salami said.
Pentagon officials declined to comment directly on Salami's remarks, but reiterated that continued U.S. presence in the region reflected the seriousness with which Washington takes its security commitments to partner nations in the region and to ensuring free flow of international commerce.
The Lincoln's arrival in the Gulf was unrelated to Iran's statement on Saturday.
Tensions between Iran and the United States have been escalating in recent weeks as President Barack Obama prepares to implement new U.S. sanctions against Iran over its nuclear enrichment program, which Tehran says is for energy production but the West believes is aimed at producing atomic weapons.
The EU is preparing to intensify sanctions against Tehran with an embargo on Iran's oil exports and possibly freezing the assets of Iran's central bank. Obama is preparing new U.S. sanctions that target foreign financial institutions that do business with Iran's central bank.
Both sides tried to scale down the rhetoric last week. The White House emphasized the United States was still open to international talks on Iran's nuclear program, even as it denied Iranian assertions that discussions were under way about resuming a dialogue.
The White House would not confirm or deny Iranian reports that Obama had sent a letter to Iranian leaders, but spokesman Jay Carney said any communications with Tehran would have reinforced the statements Washington has made publicly.
The United States supports talks between Iran and the so-called P5 + 1, the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council - Russia, China, France, England and the United States - plus Germany.
Carney urged Iran to respond to the letter sent in October on behalf of the P5 +1 by European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton.
"If the Iranians are serious about restarting talks, then they need to respond to that letter," Carney told a White House briefing. "That is the channel by which ... the restarting of those talks would take place."
(Reporting By David Alexander; Editing by Peter Cooney and Stacey Joyce)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...reuters/worldNews (News / US / International)
IRAN: - don't come into the strait! We'll close it.
USA: - keep the strait open. It's for International Shipping!
IRAN = butthurt.
USA = not a single fuck was given that day.
Iran says sanctions to fail, repeats Hormuz threat
If I were an ayatollah... I'd...
ignore the noise coming from the West, and cut off their Iranian oil
sell more oil to eastern partners, in the currency Iran prefers
send all troops to the borders and keep them there
IRGC Backs Down from Threats to Close Strait of Hormuz
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