Discussion in 'Situation Rooms' started by Reversetide, May 7, 2013.
I think i just lost that game already.
hitler and cats you say?
You didn't answer my question.
^^^This is my question. Seriously. WTF are you saying?
that is a example you dimwit, LRH's tech killed dozens of people but he wrote shit that everyone can mock
Anyone can have opinions and everyone does.
Obviously not saying that.
Where do we do that? Can you point to specific examples of when we do that?
When you assert a general rule, like "You should meet people before you criticize them," it is a good idea to try to follow that rule yourself.
Where did I present such a "rule"? I did not. Where did I say that you do not criticize people you've never met? I did not. I did say and am saying that you are criticizing a person you have never met. And over time, I think there are potential problems with a practice like that. We have this world of one person misrepresenting one group of persons or a person to a third group of person or person, all the time. We now live in an 'everyone thinks they know Lindsay Lohan' world. I question it's realness.
do you happen to have that word on your clipboard?
Treating Hubbard POS as he is is generally accepted.
and again it was a analogy not a godwin you troll.
Where DON'T you do that in this thread alone?
VaD, is that you?
You have not provided evidence to support your claims. Please do so. The quoted statement is not evidence.
could it be that the fact that they ruined islands landscape by digging holes, the reaction isn't related being americans at all, island natives are very likely to be ignirant to the existence of US, ever thought of that?
TL;DR flubtard was a dipshit that ordered his minions to dig up holes in islands without the natives permission, just saying wouldn't you be pissedd off if somone came to you backyard and dug 6 ft holes, with the delusion of finding treasure?
Not going through that circular exercise with you but thanks. Anywhoooo, this is not my playground of choice, operates too much like a religion here and I am not into those kind of lop sided internet group huddles that never end. I really just stepped in to ask about whether or not people who post in critic groups had ever met L Ron Hubbard and besides on person who posted a picture of herself who looks old enough to have met him, i assume none of you have Ok now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
The last word goes to you anonymouseses. Peace out.
Yes, Hitler is a shared cultural reference point for "extremely bad person." He's someone frequently criticized by people who have never met him. So he serves my point quite well.
Knee-jerk "Godwin's law" reactions have become just as annoying as the gratuitous Nazi analogies Mr. Godwin hoped to criticize originally. Appreciating the distinction between an unfair comparison to Hitler verses fair use of Hitler as an example of something really bad is a skill worth cultivating, in my opinion.
Damn, ran off another one. All I wanted was an example. Guess he couldn't give one.
Until next time, I am, as always, and always, anonymous.
typical OSA shenanigan first they derail and kill the thread with irrelevancies then run off, often pot calling kettle black.
I think Scientologists call this the "third party rule," or something like that. Suppressives say bad things about Person A to Person B to cause A and B to fight with each other.
Hubbard should have explained to his followers that there are different types of criticism. You can criticize an author for being factually wrong, or for being anti-social, without ever meeting the author.
I notice a pattern to Scientologists' criticism of their critics. They point out that their opponents don't know a lot of things, thus implying that the anti-Scientologists are ill informed and so can be ignored.
But most of the time general "knowingness" is not relevant to a specific criticism. For example, you can say that enforced disconnection from family members will create a social environment we don't want to live in without knowing what Hubbard was like one-on.
Here'es "something I read on the unmoderated internet where anybody can say anything and a few squeaky wheels can make a whole lotta noise if they want to."
Report of the Board of Inquiry into Scientology Kevin Victor Anderson, Q.C., September 28
The Commission of Inquiry into the Hubbard Scientology Organisation Dumbleton - Powles, June 30
Sectarian Healers and Hypnotherapy John A. Lee, chapter 4
Enquiry into the Practice and Effects of Scientology John Foster, December
Report of the Commission of Enquiry into Scientology G.P.C. Kotze
Report of the “sects” Subcommittee of the permanent House Committee on Public Health (Rapport van de subcommissie sekten van de vaste Tweede Kamer Commissie voor de volksgezondheid), pages 120-160
Report Made in the Name of the Board of Inquiry into Cults in France National Assembly, Tenth Legislature
Final Report of the Enquete Commission on “So-called Sects and Psychogroups” Bonner Universitäts-Buchdruckerei Die Deutsche Bibliothek - CIP-Einheitsaufnahme
Constitutional Protection Report Development of political extremism in 2004 Dr. Guenther Beckstein, State Minister, Bavarian State Ministry of the Interior
Religious Sects and New Magic Movements Italian Parliament, February, pages 44-52
“Sects” or Assimilative Movements in Switzerland Report of the Business Review Commission of the National Assembly, July 1
The Holy Synod of the Church of Greece Synodical Committee on Sects Ecclesia News, February 2
An Examination of the Phenomenon of Cults in Israel Ministry of Welfare and Social Services, State of Israel, March
Is there anyone remaining in the Church of Scientology who had spent much time with Hubbard?
And either way, meeting LRH is irrelevant. Whether you are critiquing or praising him, you don't need to have ever met the guy.
You should try it the other way around too. Ask Scientologists if they ever met Hubbard.
I don't have to be a first hand source to study a subject. That's why I read accounts from other people who were first hand sources.
Forgoing the usual Hitler idea, let's take the Titanic for instance.
There isn't anyone alive anymore who was actually there. Where do you get your information about Titanic sinking from then?
Any thread where I get to read Gottabrain's stories is a good thread.
Holy shit this thread suffered a major shitstorm yet it managed to pull through,
I wish i could've contributed more.
The wonderful thing about this thread is that it adds more links of entheta for Google to love, thanks OSA!
Don't need to meet Charles Manson to know he's scary motherfucker. Don't need to meet Caligula to know he's one too.
Don't need to meet Ron to know he was full of shit and a scary motherfucker. It's in his writing and all the other droppings he left behind.
Your question was not really a question, was it?
First, you assume wrong. Some of us have met L Ron Hubbard.
You willfully chose to ignore any evidence which we presented that conflicted with your purpose.
We are not concerned with L Ron Hubbard. He's dead.
Moreover, we don't have to know a thing about this man in order to evaluate his work and disputable legacy.
We are concerned not with L Ron Hubbard the man, but the ever-degrading product of L Ron Hubbard, the Cult of Scientology.
I can imagine reverso walking into a library, grabbing the librarian by the sleeve and demanding "YOU'VE GOT BOOKS ABOUT PEOPLE, BUT HAVE YOU MET THEM? No? NO! I DEMAND TO MEET THEM!"
And the librarian would say "I'm sorry, we don't really cater to Scientologists, as such."
Don't let your visit be a complete failure, please.
So, did you find that Hubbard ever said any thing wrong about Scientology ?
Thank you. This is an awful lot like one of his masterpieces.
Wow, that's one smarmy, passive-aggressive, smug and self-satisified, there, buddy!
Save all your petty insults to hurl right before stuffing the cotton in your ears.
Not much courage displayed there, a real lack of confrontational ability.
Now, back your rice and beans!
Scientology can help with that
The immediate use of ad hom is the typical tell.
Yes, I met and knew L. Ron Hubbard.
For a short while, we were lovers but that ended badly. This affair all took place in his NYC hotel room.
Early one evening we were drinking and telling Dianetics jokes.
Ron: What did the Gay PC say to the Transvestite Auditor?
Auditor [Me]: Should you have told me anything you didn't?
PC [Ron]: I have glass eyes.
Auditor [Me]: That reads. What do you think this means?
PC [Ron]: I'm blind. Wanna fuck?
I don't remember much of the remainder of the evening. I woke up, just before dawn, in the bathtub, immersed in chopped ice.
I had a terrible lower back ache on my left side. I reached around to find out wtf hurt like hell and found the stitched wound.
Ever the opportunist, the motherfucker had made off with my left kidney but been at least kind enough to stitch me up and put me on ice.
There was also a half bottle of bourbon on the bathroom floor. It was still in the bottle. Lovely man.
I met Hubbard once on the road. He was bumming around traveling and just getting settled in with his new body. Since he had claimed to be the reincarnation of Buddha, and I met him on the road, I killed him.
It's not necessary to have met someone to know what an unmitigated faggot he is… take the OP, for instance.
this is like The Internet said you don't need to know someone what sort of faggot thery really are, Hubbard is thankfully dead and buried good riddance bad rubbish I say. Sure you could dig up some of good qualities but that he was a colossal fat lying conman he was and again like internet said Hitler may have been quite fond of cats(as a side note he was actually a dog person.What a pathetic fag he wanted blind loyalty even from his pets) that doesn't change fact that he myrdered millions through his many proxies for his fucked up ideology. not only both of those dictators were griossly incompotent they were irredeemably evil to boot.
TL;DR fags are gonna fag.
I guess it could have been interesting to meet Hubbard in person, perhaps in his younger years before he became the fat, bad-breathed, smug megalomaniac of his later years. I guess there's no-one left who knew him back before Dianetics now. The few remaining eye witnesses to the man now must primarily remember him from his later years, after he became cult leader.
However, in real life we judge people by their products. It doesn't really matter that Dr. Semmelwis eventually had a mental breakdown and started drinking, his contribution to medical science makes him a great man. It doesn't detract from Florence Nightingales work that she was an uptight workaholic and held opinions that most today would find deplorable, her work to reform hospitals still make her a great woman. It doesn't matter much whether Nelson Mandela is an asshole or not, his work for the peaceful dissolution of Apartheid in South Africa still makes him possibly the most respected state leader of the planet.
L. Ron Hubbard's legacy, on the other hand, is one of ignorance, superstition, fraud, greed and criminality. The history of his "contribution to mankind" is painted with ruined lives and wasted potentials and a few titles of mediocre science fiction.
No, I don't need to meet him to have an opinion on him. More over, my opinion of Hubbard doesn't matter. I have met the monster he created, and that monster has to be stopped and dismantled, no matter whether Hubbard was a charming fellow or a hateful megalomaniac, or both.
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