Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary What does a Scientologist do when someone dies? Kyle Brennan or Lisa McPherson, for example. They don't immediately call the emergency services or a doctor or the police. First they consult with someone high up in the cult. It may take an hour or much longer before they decide what to do and agree on what to say. Who did JT and KP consult with? Someone at Clearwater? Who did they ferry back from Clearwater later in the morning? Since that is what they did, we can guess they were told to keep the resuscitation attempt going, regardless. (Since the hotel staff have been silenced we can place no reliance on JT's story of their involvement.) But Jett died at the place of the accident. When the paramedics arrived Jett was not breathing and had no pulse. The police say so and it is something they are likely to have been interested in and capable of finding out. In fact they say he died on 1 January, not 2 January. The Travoltas did not like the police report. But still they went on with resuscitation in the ambulance, knowing it was hopeless. Why? This caused confusion about the time of death. Therefore it seems that the time of death is the sensitive point. Is this somehow related to the 25 million dollar question? A few moar leaks would be lovely.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Great work Ann and Auchraw. Thanks for this. The discrepancy involved in this make it real easy to be tinfoily. Great job on being objective in this.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary We try. But secretly I like speculation. One thing emerged which I don't think has been posted here: that autistic children and young adults often or perhaps generally have sleep disorders and do not normally (or perhaps ever) sleep 12 or 16 hours a day. Either Jett was atypical, was not autistic, was heavily sedated, or this is a lie to cover the fact that it was some time before they found him and to explain why this was not neglect. The problem here is that we are dealing with a whole gang of scientologists and they do plot among themselves to KSW even if it means lying their socks off.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary I've always thought of speculation like a tool, a Shovel if you will. I thought scinos are into tools : )
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary I just found 'Jett Travolta' at http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/Jett_Travolta. This shows up the contradictions in the crucial data re timing, finding body, cause of death. Thanks to Ann for collecting and collating all this stuff. It will be interesting to see what happens at the trial in September.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary SOME parents are still held accountable for neglecting the medical needs of their children: Father on trial in girl's faith-healing death - Crime & courts- msnbc.com
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Details. On the wiki, I read "He goes in vacation with the Travoltas and was never referred to as “nanny” before the death. [23]" However, Kathrein has been referred as a nanny before: "Publicists insisted the smooch was harmless and Travolta’s wife Kelly Preston was on board the plane which ferried the actor and the family’s male nanny home from Ontario, Canada." John Travolta Denying Kiss is Gay :: Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors celebrity scandals Hollywood gossip blog from Hollywood Grind
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Good point. That's 2006. You can add it to the wiki (the article is already in the list AFAIR).
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Regarding: "[this episode implies that JT thinks his son is still alive]" Maybe should be: "[this episode implies that JT appears to think his son is still alive]" ? Ultimately, we don't know what he thought, so we have to allow that he really thought, or that he wanted people to believe he thought his son was alive. Might sound insensitive, but when collecting cold hard facts, we have to make place for all possibilities.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Yes, clearly we should assume a parent trying to save their dying child is doing it for appearances. Heaven forbid anyone realize it was an accident and a child had a seizure and hit their head and it wouldn't matter how many doctors were in the next room. You can criticize not giving him seizure medications, but you are not his doctor, or his parents, and even then tough shit for you. You have a penis, or at least penis envy. Go make your own fucking child and stuff its mouth full of seizure drugs. Quit second guessing this kid's medical care or how he was raised. Some people do the best they can. He clearly wasn't abused so /thread.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary [ I specifically remember that the media reported that their first stop was Clearwater Fl, ( not Ocala) and the plane was met by a Scientology van.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Just for the sake of completeness, and because someone said it should be spread around, here once again is the original data on the movements of John Travolta's Gulfstream N492JT in 1 to 4 January 2009 (from Flightaware). Greystone is his own local airstrip right beside his house in Anthony, Ocala. Clearwater is presumably some Scilon handler. His lawyer Michael Ossi is in Jacksonville. Date, ref, from, to, departure time, arrival time, flight time. 04-Jan-2009 GLF2/L Jacksonville Intl (KJAX) (MYGW) 01:37PM EST result unknown (?) n/a 04-Jan-2009 GLF2/L Jacksonville Intl (KJAX) Grand Bahama Intl (MYGF) 01:37PM EST Diverted 04-Jan-2009 GLF2/L (MYGW) Jacksonville Intl (KJAX) 04:54PM GMT 12:50PM EST 0:56 04-Jan-2009 GLF2/Q Greystone (17FL) (MYGW) 10:38AM EST 04:13PM GMT 0:35 04-Jan-2009 GLF2/Q (MYGW) Orlando Sanford Intl (KSFB) 01:12PM GMT 08:50AM EST 0:38 02-Jan-2009 GLF2/U Clearwater Intl (KPIE) Grand Bahama Intl (MYGF) 05:16PM EST 10:52PM GMT 0:36 02-Jan-2009 GLF2/Q Jacksonville Intl (KJAX) Clearwater Intl (KPIE) 03:20PM EST 03:59PM EST 0:39 02-Jan-2009 GLF2/L (MYGW) Jacksonville Intl (KJAX) 06:33PM GMT 02:29PM EST 0:56 02-Jan-2009 GLF2/L Jacksonville Intl (KJAX) (MYGW) 11:42AM EST 05:24PM GMT 0:42 02-Jan-2009 GLF2/Q (MYGW) Jacksonville Intl (KJAX) 02:50PM GMT 10:39AM EST 0:49 02-Jan-2009 GLF2/Q Greystone (17FL) (MYGW) 08:01AM EST 01:37PM GMT 0:36 01-Jan-2009 G2/T Hollywood Int'l (KFLL) Greystone (17FL) 04:13PM EST 04:53PM EST 0:40 01-Jan-2009 G2/T Hollywood Int'l (KFLL) Ocala Intl (KOCF) 04:13PM EST Diverted 01-Jan-2009 GLF2/L Grand Bahama Intl (MYGF) Hollywood Int'l (KFLL) 07:57PM GMT 03:16PM EST 0:19 01-Jan-2009 GLF2/L Grand Bahama Intl (MYGF) Leesburg Intl (KLEE) 07:57PM GMT Diverted
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Newspusher :::: 1-Stop Licensing Shop for audiovisual professionals :::: Video Licensing & Rights Clearing :::: Newspusher post 1231247221 EXCLUSIVE: John Travolta's Plane Lands in Tampa Tampa, Tue 06 Jan 2009, 00:00 GMT *EXCLUSIVE* John Travolta's Gulfstream 2 Jet land at Tampa International Airport at approx 0115 (est) after his son Jett Travolta was cremated in the Bahamas. It was unclear if the Travoltas where on the plane but a large van bearing the Church of Scientology logo arrived to pick up the group...
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Ah never mind, I thought that might be a bit much. To my defense, there has been so many cover-up in Scientology, sometimes we just can't help but be suspicious of whatever tragedy involves Scientologists.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Abuse doesn't necessarily mean in a physical form such as a beating, it can also mean neglecting proven medical treatment. Praying for God to heal your child dying from lack of insulin is abuse. Ignoring obvious signs and symptoms for the sake of your so-called religion and then ADMITTING it under oath, is NEGLECT and ABUSE. 80% of patients respond to the first drug of choice in the treatment of epilepsy. But often times it's a fine tuned cocktail of a couple of med. Just because one med isn't compatible, doesn't mean they all are. There are approved alternative treatments but NONE of them were ever mentioned. Please DIAF troll, you have no powers here.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary tried to look up Leesburg, havn't found anything yet not to derail....but did find a Scilon looking for love in Leesburg using a matchmaker website, scroll down to bottom of page: Leesburg Chat at Matchmaker.com he just got out of the military, wonder how he got snatched by COS
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary It wasn't in leesburg - it was en route and then diverted to Hollywood FL And then it was off to Ocala and headed off to Greystone... As plausible as anything else, is that some super-rich actor on holiday kept changing his mind about what he wanted. Or that whoever was supposed to be picked up in leesburg wasn't ready, so divert to the bigger airport in the meantime. What's in Greystone, which is where it actually ended up on the 1st.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary If this is a question (?) Greystone is where the surviving Travoltas live. It is a bunch of over-large houses round an airstrip. JT lives with jets where other people have bikes. The Travolta mansion is designed to look like an air terminal. That is why Jett was called Jett. If this is not a question then lrn2grammar. Also learn to Google maps as you can get right down almost to reading the registration numbers on the planes. Also learn to Google Travolta Greystone (or similar) as there have been magazine articles - in Spanish but with copious photographs.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary I fall back on 'I'm pissed' [and don't read espanyol] as a defence... However, I was google-earthing after I wrote that - and noticed that Ocala and Leesburg are very close (<50km). So the two failed/aborted trips to that part of florida are probably related (attempts to pick up a friend who hadn't quite finished their hair?) Anyway, grammerfag, please keep these handy in case you detect further inebriated postng...
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary I SEE. My excuse is I've just got very slow eyes. I assumed the aircraft was diverted because of weather conditions or something like that, since this happens a lot with fog in some parts of the world, but you think it got different instructions from JT or DM or someone when it was in the air and changed direction? That makes a lot more sense. Does anyone know where DM was on 2 January 2009? In California, or on the Freewinds? This year the Freewinds schedule takes in the New Year period but last year I don't know. Does anyone know who the Scientologist minders with JT at the trial are?
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Pssst. Tip from an Ocalanon: you guize have wrong info. JT lives in a place called Jumbolair, which is considered to be in some tiny little town called Anthony, though most forego bothering with the itty bitty place and just lump it in with Ocala. Greystone is just the name of the airport he lands in. The moar you know... Still, I'd never seen that air report before. Looks expensive.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary Goodness, Herro. How could you leave me here for so long? I was frightened and alone. :C
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary David Miscavige was in Clearwater, Florida for the New Year's Eve event December 31, 2008. He showed up "unannounced" to the hoi polloi cultees that attended the event in a fucking circus tent slapped up on a parking lot next to a parking garage. No one knew he was coming. This was about the time that David Miscavige had seen the movie Valkyrie and was freaking out over it. The tent was surrounded by a bunch of construction semi-trailers. Here's a picture of some ratty mattresses slapped up against one of the lovely trailers. You can see the gorgeous fencing and some other trailers in this picture. This gives you some idea of what a charming setting surrounded the tent. David Miscavige was in Clearwater, Florida on December 31, 2008. I have no idea if he stayed until after midnight, but if he did stay through the countdown at midnight and spent the night in Clearwater? Then David Miscavige was in Clearwater, Florida on New Year's Day 2009.
Re: Jett Travolta's situation summary I don't want to tangle with the Zebra but Greystone is not so much the airport JT lands in as the airstrip he lives on. His planes can taxi down off the runway and turn first left into his garden. His house and neighbouring houses are in a development called Jumbolair, perhaps because Jumbos come there to spend the night (joke). His house looks like an air terminal, intentionally so, and he called his son Jett, after jets (not a joke). http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=OS&Date=20060525&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=205250405&Ref=V2 http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_nov2004/Travolta_House.htm http://www.scribd.com/doc/17484626/casa-Travolta-piloto Scroll on down for photographs of padded bathrooms and much much more . . .
