What about the life safety and well being of children born to parents who are cult members? Don't those children matter? http://exscientologykids.com/ Have you researched their stories of being abused? Denied a proper education? Forced into labor? Neglected and abandoned by their parents? Don't their lives matter too? When you defend CCHR you defend all of the Scientology corporation's abuses.
It will never be in-depth because scientologists are forbidden to discuss their beliefs, especially the ones about people being infected with the souls of dead space-aliens. If you want to find out what Scientology believes you can either become a cult member, pay the company $300 000 over a period of a few years, and then learn about Xenu, or you can just get the documents online for free.
I don't know Kevin, and I certainly don't hate him. What I and others are trying to warn you about is that because he is a cult member there are certain things you can know about him because they are true of all members of scientology. First you must know that his allegiance is only to David Miscavige, not to his family, not to his friends, not even to himself, and certainly not to you. This is true of all people calling themselves Scientologists. If you ever were to actually do some independent research on CCHR beyond what they say about themselves, and were to find reasons to criticize Scientology and its CCHR and shared these findings with Kevin he would first try to tell you that everything negative is a lie and that not only should you never believe anything negative anyone ever says about CCHR, Scientology, Hubbard, or Miscavige, but that you should stop looking! If you were to insist that the evidence against Scientology was compelling and irrefutable then he would cut off all contact with you. If you were then to take it a step further and to help publicize what you found out about Scientology's abuses and crimes, then the company would send private investigators after you to intimidate you and to dig up any secrets about you that could be used to publicly humiliate you, or better yet get you arrested and put in jail. This is the kind of person Kevin, and all scientologists are. You don't need to know them personally to know that much about them. They are victims stuck in a totalitarian cult and must follow the draconian rules or suffer terrible consequences. They will cut off all relations with anyone who criticizes scientology, including their own parents, spouses, and children. Here's what would happen to Kevin if he were to disobey Miscavige, say by looking at some of the evidence that Scientology hurts people. First he would have to admit to it while doing "auditing" on the e-meter, which he believes is an infallible device that can tell when he's lying. After admitting that he looked at critical information about scientology he would be subjected to punishments. He would have to repent by giving a large sum of money to the company, and hundreds of hours of volunteering for them, and being set back on his "bridge to total freedom" which means taking courses over again and paying for them again. If he still were to continue looking at critical information he would be punished further by being put on "lower conditions" by Scientology, which would be humiliating and a warning to his fellow cult members to avoid associating with him. If that wasn't enough punishment and he continued looking, just looking, at information exposing scientology's abuses and crimes, he would then be threatened with "disconnection", which means being completely cut off from all of his friends and family still in scientology. They would have to do this or they themselves would be "disconnected". Just like you can never trust a heroin addict because they will say and do anything in order to keep getting their next fix, you can never trust a scientologist because they will say and do anything in order to remain in good standing with the cult. You must not hate such people, but you should not trust them, and although it's very hard to help them, you have to try.
If you had read the story that I posted a link to, you'd see that the comparison to the Westboro Baptists wasn't unfair. Drivers angered at signs January 24, 2007, Peter Reuell, MetroWest Daily News As for CCHR, I do know more than a little about them, certainly more than the superficial glance you seem to have given them. Category:CCHR < link to my site. Anyway, that's all the time I'm prepared to invest in someone who's only here because they vanity-googled their name.
What I learned - just by opening the link to this discussion- 1) The comment I posted on the CCHR web site-- , which apparently struck the member who initiated this discussion, as "an interesting revelation"-- was the litmus test for casting doubt on my credibility-- even my actual existence --LOL - Yes, I think this example of a knee jerk epiphany is down right comical. But, alas-- most of the members here are deadly serious -- employing the same fear mongering filter as witch hunters, with no less conviction and no more cognitive flexibility than any dehumanizing campaign will tolerate. Apparently this SOP here at WWP? distracted by something close to an obsession with trashing Scientology and by extension the CCHR--MY statements about Boston Children's Hospital on a CCHR site prompt a call to action : "Is BCH is being *fair gamed* ?" WHY did the Anon member ask this question? :: Because... The whistle blowing former nurse's comments are on the CCHR site-- we can *assume* that the most explicit public record of the violations of human rights and abuse of the patients on BCH's psych unit- by psychiatric clinicians- is probably a crock. That CCHR schmoozing nurse whistleblower just wants to take down psychiatry-- by any means possible. 2) I learned-- there can be no meaningful discussion regarding the BCH psych unit, Bader 5- here, or rather you aren't the least bit interested in answering the question that titles this discussion. What you do seem focused on is putting me through the gauntlet. What If I continue to "willfully ignore" commenters/members admonitions- and trust my own judgment with regard to matters and situations none of you can even imagine--? I sense -- this message: "Aha! you see? this vane nurse sees no value in our factual information-- preferring to render herself little more than a fart in a windstorm, losing both her voice and the noble cause she claims to champion. Pity!" 3) I learned- there are seemingly intelligent, well intentioned people, who have abandoned their full gamut of human capabilities. preferring to make critical assessments based SOLELY on armchair proximity and on line consensus building. (well actually I recall reading *on line* that this is what Anonymous did- conducting my own internet research during the Occupy movement. I was very moved by what I saw on You Tube- loved what you did in Newtown CT--) - So, rephrasing here-- the new thing I learned is that, there are scary implications around relying on info whirling around in the vacuum of a virtual world... Not going to dig out the links-- documentaries recent and archived on you tube-- articles, affidavits--sheesh! I spent hours on line reading and viewing information. I focused strictly on the negative PR on Scientology, because I was conducting my research from the perspective of actually being in contact with a CCHR investigator and incurring outright hostility from anti-psychiatry legends like Paula Caplan for this - *heinous breach of sanity*. I wanted to get a handle on where the hostility was coming from- lucky me. MOST of what is publicized and available on line is negative, damning propaganda- Anyone who debunks the platform that those who wield *divine power* occupy, WILL be either forced to submit- to recant, or be destroyed- completely discredited. Divine power cannot exist if any fallacy or weakness is exposed. In my camp, I am in the company of psychiatrist's like Peter Breggin, Joseph Glenmullen, David Healy-- and journalists like Robert Whitaker. Therefore, I know full well, am completely validated and vindicated by those who have *blown the whistle* on Harvard Child Psychiatry, and the unholy alliance between psychiatry and Pharma. YOU, here, are missing the history of CCHR's major hit, against the common enemy of these few, well known *pariahs* and millions of people who have been directly harmed by this common enemy. YOU have swallowed the enemy's PR-- because it evokes universal fears and suspicions around religion, cults-- etc. SO-- rather than uncovering the more dangerous beliefs and intentions of psychiatry and Pharma-- whose power is infinitely more threatening than Scientology or anyone's personal beliefs about creation, life, death-- and the correct way to live. YOU employ the respect and admiration you have earned to drive a wedge between the foot soldiers and the supply line-- which is exactly the intention of those whose ONLY benefit is their wealth and power to amass more wealth. A tough situation to unravel, research and explore fully -- from behind a plasma screen. That you automatically distrust the intentions of a whistle blowing nurse-- and immediately attack her - based on affiliations with your *virtual* enemy, while remaining ignorant of her integrity and her credentials -- says it all-- French author Antoine de Saint-Exupery (The Little Prince), writes: "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Face to face, life to life contact is the prerequisite for seeing into the heart of this matter-- from the kids I have met on Bader-- to Joseph Biederman, whom I have met and all the way to Kevin Hall , with whom I had a chance encounter while exerting efforts for the sake of Justina Pelletier -- I know the significance of their spiritual beliefs-- by virtue of their speech and actions--. I can see rightly, and am not the least bit swayed by what you have gleaned seeing only with your eyes--the messages others transmit on these screens- where virtually all of us are at risk for making huge errors in judgment-- I admit-- I was a bit misinformed about Anonymous-- but hopeful that your youthful passion for justice will win over your complacency with the small victories you have already won. Best, ~Katie
CCHR is not your friend. As long as you continue to act in concert with CCHR and Scientology, you won't be taken as a serious critic of psychiatry. CCHR is nothing more than an anti-psychiatry hate group in service of a brain washing criminally convicted cult. Most people can figure that out for themselves by looking at the publicly available evidence.
Katie Many people who work in medicine regret treatment they supported or things they were told to do. Many people in medicine hate Harvard. Neither of these things require belief in the CCHR. People here are pointing out flaws with the CCHR and showing you why the CCHR is not a good ally. You are spending time defending them instead focusing on your points. Have they recruited you? Expect to be recruited into their religion.
First of all, the mention of CCHR is specifically related to the inferences made here, at the inception of this discussion; that my credibility to cite and decision to publicize the abuse of young patients on the psychiatric unit at BCH, where I [really] was employed as a nurse for 5 years WAS questioned--specifically, because I posted comments on the CCHR site. Following my appearance here, the topic of my character, credibility and capacity to make sound judgments with regard to my choice of allies ALL relate to my disclosing a working relationship with Kevin Hall - beginning in December 2013, when we met at a protest for the release of Justina Pelletier from her illegal imprisonment on Bader 5-- back to her capable, loving family. The prejudice and unmitigated gall you display- telling me I don't need to defend what your members claim is the reason I am "not to be taken seriously"-- as an anti-psychiatry spokesperson? (Hint: I am definitely anti-psychiatry-- but I am not engaged in that campaign. I have more important work to do Why is CCHR a good ally for those of us who are seriously engaged in protecting kids from the dangerous drugs and traumatizing/abusive practices of psychiatry? Well, I can sum it up for you here: 1) CCHR was first to counter the damaging false *advertising* of one of the first SSRIs, Prozac-- via a*truth out* nationwide publicity campaign in 1989-- BTW that was exactly one year after I started working with adolescents in a residential treatment setting for emotional and behavioral *dysregulation*-- At that time, I had racked up 14 years of medical/surgical.pediatric and critical care nursing experience. In that first year my role as a nurse changed dramatically -- precisely when diagnosing and drugging these kids became *state of the art treatment for their behavioral problems*-- CCHR's early affront to Eli Lilly's targeting kids as the *new market* for their drugs is note worthy--. The public education campaign begun by CCHR involved disclosure of astounding info-- relating to the dangerous adverse effects of a drug that had not proven to be anything close to a magic bullet for depression. The black box warning for the most severe adverse effect, violent behavior resulting in homicides and suicides - was not issued until 2004-- AFTER what CCHR had already known and had been sharing publicly was exposed by Sally Joffe in her ground breaking documentary on Seroxat - . Question : Are you familiar with * Paxil -study 329*? Did you know that fatal adverse effects of this SSRI - in the study group of adolescents and young children were documented, and discovered *hidden* in the archives of Glaxo Smith Kline's clinical trial data-- ? When Dr, David Healy disclosed what he was privy to as an expert witness in a law suit against GSK- the concealed data buried in GSKs archives , he was confirming the same basic message that CCHR began to warn the public about-- 13 years earlier! CCHR focused on Eli Lilly, the manufacturer of a block buster drug for them-- Prozac. Encouraging and supporting law suits against Eli Lilly- CCHR was instantly targeted by Eli Lilly, who made no bones saying *this is war*-- " anyone associating with the enemy/CCHR- will be dealt with accordingly"- So-- my guess is that very few will declare publivly that they are associating with CCHR. Ya think? Question: Do you know the details of the litigation that began after Eli Lilly began to lose revenue on Prozac? A fact they made clear in a case brought against them by CCHR -- justifying the pressure they applied to a PR firm "H.K." to drop CSI as their client and accusing the firm of indirectly assisting in the CSI/CCHR campaign against *Prozac*-- claiming damages when sales of this awful drug were declining. 2) CCHR provides critically important information to the public on their web site-- Dr David Healy has referred to and endorsed their SSRI page. Dr. Healy, by the way-- author of "Let Them Eat Prozac"-- and probably the foremost authority on the *science* behind the CCHRs claims, supports the work CCHR is doing. Pharmacology is the science- Healy is an expert! Data medicine, also one of his specialties is the basis for his state of the art web site Risk.org -- a site that is tracking the data that no pharmaceutical company or regulatory agency - FDA, specifically seems to give a damn about. Question : Who is in the better position and most qualified to judge the CCHR as an ally?-- you? or David Healy? 3) Tom Cruise made bold, accurate, truly frightening statements in his 2005 interview with Matt Laur on the Today Show. He challenged Laur's lack of knowledge about the dangers of psych drugs and his total ignorance regarding the history of psychiatry. Tom Cruise exposed the lie -- still flying, that there is no scientific evidence of chemical imbalances in the brain-- no *SCIENCE* to back up claims for psych diagnosis of mental illness*--and worse, the drugs that were marketed for them-- . NO SCIENCE! Exactly the story that came out of Robert Whitaker's investigative journalism -- "Anatomy of an Epidemic"- 2010-- How's that for a coincidence? Question : Do you think discrediting Scientology/CCHR effected Tom Cruise's credibility to make public statements about his own research on psychiatry and their dangerous drugs? Who would benefit from *killing the messengers*? Hmm- I dunno -- the multi billon dollar pharmaceutical industry?-- Who, BTW can clearly afford to do what they have been doing for 2 decades-- manipulating the media, exploiting -- even children for $$$$-- We have motive, means and opportunity. Strong case against Pharma. 4) Here's a link from my research file on CCHR-- I agree with the critics of the damning documentaries-- about CSI. What is reported, and what is left out matters-- AND, it is painfully obvious to anyone who is on the front lines of this battle that the narratives of "Going Clear" and that ridiculous documentary -in 2 parts done by the BBC-- are soap opera style, sensationalized stagings that a teenager could throw together-- Pleez-- You will not be able to refute any of the claims against psychiatry/Pharma made by CCHR since 1989-- actually, if you do your own research, you will discover that a broad range of mental health professionals and medical doctors-- all over the world are proving and supporting the public education campaign that was started by CCHR-- . Sorry to burst your feeble bubble, but my respect for CCHR has nothing to do with religion-- mine or theirs. It is about truth, justice and protecting youth-- ALL things I had the impression mattered to Anonymous-- . "Expect us" you say ? I am still waiting for you to get your act together-- . I certainly was expecting something more thrilling than cheap shots, clunky logic and ridiculous predictions about --- what I can expect from CCHR. Best, ~Katie
Oh well then your judgement obviously is superior to facts such as Kyle Brennan and Jett Travolta are both dead thanks to Scientology's fucked-up practices. Newsflash: Your judgement of character, just like mine, counts for damn all and facts rule the day. By teaming up with charlatans from CCHR you only hurt your cause and you helped legitimise a sinister organisation which prefers to see people dead rather than medicated.
How about the CCHR's " Industry of Death" museum? They openly blame the holocaust on psychiatrists! This is not only VERY wrong, but also a giant slap in the face to all holocaust's victims and their families. Here is an article where Steven Kent is interviewed. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=9b10ee7c-3c02-4092-8c2b-3fd45be37b85&k=0
Take it from the leader of Scientology himself! David Miscavige. Keep in mid that the "stats" he brags about in this vid are not only trumped up, but many have been exposed as stretching the truth or totally debunked. This video shows the true intent of the CCHR. If you can watch this and still stand behind it, then you will have to ask yourself if you want to be responsible for this lunacy to continue.
It's a shame because as a nurse who worked in a psychiatric ward you could have been a credible whistleblower. Now all you will be seen as is a deluded tool of David Miscavige's mind-control cult, if not secretly a cult member yourself. Do you know why CCHR is considered a crackpot organization? As to the points you make, none of them are relevant in defending CCHR because they don't address the root cause of the problem: CCHR is a scientology front group under the control of David Miscavige.
And... Anonymous will be seen as one more puppet --on the payroll of the most evil empire on the planet-- by the few who care about youth, our greatest treasure, our future-- and the TRUTH. Ciao, Katie
You don't care about youth, you care about CCHR and Scientology. After you have been well screwed over by them you are always welcome to come back and tell your story of how you were abused and your best intentions were used against you by the cult.
The role of psychiatry in the holocaust in Germany is well known. https://psychcrimereporter.wordpres...i-psychiatrists-role-in-holocaust-era-crimes/ Dr. Peter Breggin has lectured on this topic, and was my first *credible* source of information-- explaining what I witnessed on Bader 5--. In Los angelos, we have the Simon Wiesenthal [Holocaust museum]-- The courage to remember is key to preventing repeats of the greatest atrocities in history... Maybe Steven spielberg will make a film about the the Psychiatrists Behind Hitler--?? ~Katie
Maybe you're not a nurse who worked at a psychiatric ward but a disgruntled patient? You're suffering from delusions.
Do you want to be responsible for the flourishing of the evil perpetrated by Harvard Child Psychiatry--? Seems you have more interest in head games and You Tube than reality. ~Katie
My theory is that our guest is a scientology shill posing as Katie, maybe one of those poor homo novis desperately trying to get in the cult's good graces by "striking a blow to the enemy" so they don't get "disconnected" from their kids or spouse. Guest, your optimal solution is to leave the cult and try your best to get your family out too. Otherwise the cult owns you and you'll be their slave for as long as you allow yourself to be.
I'll e looking for the "AFTER" picture on your moniker -- when your make over is complete. Best, Katie
Your guest is posting her REAL name-- and posted a letter I penned to DCF with my contact info--i n case your ability to track me via your site is as feeble as your thinking-- Let's do lunch ! I would love to engage you face to mask! ~Katie
Katie- My questions were respectful and I'm not sure why you were directing so much vitriol in your answer to my respectful questions. Could you please post a link to yourself on social media or a professional site? This is respectful, I researched your name and find you nowhere except as a misspelling in the thanks of a grateful parent to a nurse in the PICU. No, I'm not going to lead a DDOS attack on your account on facebook or whatever. If you want to give me that info via private message that's fine. Right now I can't find evidence you exist.
Here ya go guest, here's OT3. I just saved you $300 000 The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet - 178 billion on average) by mass implanting.. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken - in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged". His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc was placed in the unplants. When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development. One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The "freewheel" (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time. In December 1967 1 know someone had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful. One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body. One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing. You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small. Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error. Good luck.
We posted at the same time^^. I' looked up DCF and get a cash flow site and several state health department sites. Direct me please.
Oh honey, my profile pic isn't of me, it's of Denise Miscavige who happens to be Wee Davey's twin sister. Her make over's gonna be complete when she's in prison orange along with her cunt of a sibling.
Katie I read your passionate blog, and the story of your change to a whistleblower. My question now is why you are here arguing about a organization that supported you instead of about the horror of that story and your struggles. Your defense of CCHR puzzles me. They didn't help you at the time, this seems to be a post battle relationship. Why do you even care about CCHR? They are a side story surely.
Take a look at the AFTER pictures of scientology victim Lisa McPherson and scientology murderer Rex Fowler. Their makeovers were complete. I suggest you consider where you will let organised scientology take you with their brainwashing tactics. You got your self-esteem boost from Kevin Hall, cult axioms and slogans. How about getting back to the real world and a real life?
Good question. My comments are this thread are in response to the topics raised about me- which was the lead in to the discussion that I did not see until now-- almost 3 years later-- I presented here to clear up the misinformation-- I do not see your forum as the venue to disclose or discuss the matters pertaining to my *story*- maybe because your members can't *let go* of their prejudice ?? Or maybe just because this is a fast paced chat room -- for giggles and grins, fronting the real work you do?? That would be cool, actually-- Time line may help you, so here goes: 2009- Made formal complaint- filed with MA DMH-- was followed by 5 anonymous complaints to DMH from fellow nurses-- got Bader investigated for illegal restraints and human rights violations. 2010- Forced to resign from BCH--protected identities of my supporters-- 2011- Met Robert Whitaker-- shared my story 2012- began posting comments on various sites critical of psychiatry -- using my REAL name. CCHR was one of them. Beth Malony, attorney for Elizabeth Wray attempted to *find me* via these sites-- but I was not actively following them , so missed that opportunity. 2013- Contacted by David Healy at request of Pelletier family member who tracked me to his site,-- where had posted comments about BCH-- using my REAL name. (April) 2013- Met Beau Berman - FOX CT NEWS , did televised interview- gave permission of my DCF letter to be shared on his FB-- Met Kevin Hall- and a dozen or more *other* protesters and supporters of Justina Pelletier who respect and assist him-- 2015- Find your discussion about me as a "flake"-- last week-- not a vain google search--but for professional reasons-- 2013- present-- have researched and met the individuals whom I consider true allies-- would probably not include anyone from your group-- especially now that I know how you operate-- Best, ~Katie
You digress-- I am not here to confront the confounding contradictions-- past and present, about any organized religion--THIS is your diversionary tactic-- not mine. Errors in your premise-- keep appearing in your conclusions-- AND-- still you demean and insult me with your self professed *superior* knowledge of who I a, and what i am doing. You have no more info now than you did 3 years ago when this foolish discussion began-- Fear? Is that why you cannot entertain the possibility that YOU are wrong? IF my theory proves correct-- you are in far worse straights than I could ever be-- ~Katie
I am 61-- have never had FB or any social media account-- not on linked-in-- My resume 1974- 2014? not posted on line (per advice What specifically do you want to know? ~Katie
This has sod all to do with religion. CCHR is a front group for a cult created by a sci-fi writer who was five miles over the sanity horizon and accelerating. Their whacked-out opposition to psychiatry and medication has killed people. You don't care about any of that as long as you get positive reinforcement of your own actions. You claim to care about the abuse of children but refuse to take on board the harm CCHR has done and will continue to do.
All of my contact info is on the DCF letter that Beau Berman posted-- in haste-- (he was trying to keep the story going on FOX-- under pressure for NEW and verifiable info)I have received lots of queries via that error Am on the CT FOX site/ archives December 2013-- interview w. Berma, who required very specific documentation-- including the actual complaint to DMH-- and internal emails I received as employee on Bader No hard feelings, BTW-- ~Katie
Katie you came here after a Google search for professional reasons. If you don't want this conversation to be publicly viewed say so, it can be moved to the Thunderdome and not found by Google.
Reposting the link to my DCF letter on wordpress-- also on Beau Bermans FB-- Fox News CT site-- published with Atty. Barry Pollack's letter to Dept. Public Health demanding Bader be closed pending investigation. I am cited in Barry's letter as well-- can find a pdf-- also on wordpress http://tribwtic.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/higgins-letter-pdf-pdf
You accuse me of diverting our discussion, when I am challenging your thinking. I am sorry that offends you. I do think you should take a look at what you call confounding contradictions about scientology. Should a belief system have confounding contradictions? And what have been the results of those contradictions? Which are what? Please be specific. Sorry that this civil discussion offends you. And I have no knowledge of who you are and what you do other than what you have posted here. Yes I do based on what you have posted since. It seems to me you are afraid of looking at what you call "confounding contradictions" of scientology. You thought stop it with the label of "diversionary tactic". I suggest you post your theory. I would very much like to read it. BTW, you come across as a scientologist who has had training in Hubbardian PR: "always attack, never defend" "attack the attacker", etc.
