Kyle Brennan vs Scientology: Oral arguments in Jacksonville September 14

Would it be best to continue this in a thread dedicated to it, do you think? We do have a whole situation room at our disposal and then it'd be easier for people who know the subject matter to find it. Just a thought.

At least not as recorded in the depo. He's telling us he didn't discuss the interview, take instruction from, or was witnessed by any other officer on the scene. Just one more strangeness in an already bizarre crime scene.

Maybe cya, but he was the first on scene so he was assigned the Primary (it was his baby) even with only 2yrs experience. I don't know if those other guys were tired or just didn't care but after reading quite a bit not a one of them lifted a finger and they slowly withdrew from the scene.

One of them should have stepped forward and at least helped out the sergeant definitely would have known it was cos related. Maybe it was some rite of passage or something maybe they didn't like him, who knows.

Uhm, it IS possible to pass Primary off to another officer, if you just completely don't know wtf to do with it.

Yes quite easily done in the field I don't know how many of the depos docs you may have read it's just so sad and disturbing. So many opportunities passed by it was like no body gave a f***. Even Yuen they taught him in the academy maybe he just had an off night, but there was a dead kid on scene.

Gonna reply to this in the new thread.
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/officer-yuen-deposition-discussion.105203/

Same thing as YSN, to Anon poster above.

Frankly, IMO, the CWPD has a long history of failure to investigate crimes involving Scientology adequately, including repeatedly losing evidence. It's just too expensive, it's a budget buster, once they decided this case was a suicide, they wanted to rush through it and get it done as quickly as possible, assigning a rookie to the case.

It's sad. Reminds me of the scene in L.A. Confidential when they dismiss a murder as "just another Hollywood homocide." The moment it involves tangling with Scientology, they'd rather be anywhere else in the world.

Dox or gtfo.

Hey, Six, I just noticed your avatar. LOL Sarah Heller.

Oh and Muldrake the thread has now moved to another Kyle discussion thread
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/officer-yuen-deposition-discussion.105203/

However before I leave a lot of police departments have some screw ups we all make mistakes. Like what occurred with this case yet you cannot condemn the entire department.

That was Sarah in her Legolas phase.

Is she the one that was in the courtroom last week?

Yes.

Sarah becomes all the more disgusting with each passing day she apparently is a sociopath.

True story: in my wee early days of protesting I actually bothered to waste time talking to Peter Mansell, Director of Special Affairs for Flag. I don't recommend it, it's godawful boring and you'll lose IQ points by the second. But back in the day, when Shawn Lonsdale was alive -- and Shawn is something of a local hero -- Mansell was his personal "handler."

Mansell tries to play this off as implying the two of them spent so much time around each other they were practically friends. Because apparently no one in Anonymous is aware of what a handler is, right? Anyway, so, unless he loses his temper Peetie always plays the "good guy tolerating the rambunctious college students and did you know I even once protested against the Vietnam War" card. And this early on, Sarah existed purely as a silent hanger-on of his, following him around all day. Thus the secretary jokes.

So, Mansell's trying to explain to me how close he and Shawn were, and how utterly devastated Mansell was when Shawn killed himself. And he's explaining what a horrible tragedy it is when someone commits suicide and Sarah LOSES IT. She can't keep a straight face and she starts positively chortling over the idea of an SP killing themself. Even Peetie sort of glances back at her like "wtf."

Any time SOME PEOPLE go on about how totally hot and awesome she is and do you think she'd give me her number, I always flash back to that memory. No one's been able to convince me yet that that wasn't a sign of deepseated sociopathic tendencies on her part. I normally make allowances for people born in Scientology, since they didn't have a chance at a normal upbringing, but no, Sarah Heller's just a psychotic bitch. I hope she goes down with the ship.

EDIT: Oh, since we were talking about it after court, this is, to my understanding, her dad:
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/germany/ursula_spiegel.htm
According to one of the depositions Kendrick Moxon was involved in back in the day, iirc.

slight derail...

I was cleaning up my hard drive last night, and came across some footage I still had from the San Francisco Anonymous cell's Kyle Brennan raid back in February, in celebration of Kyle's birthday.

I had a few clips that I never posted on our raid thread because they were just little moments from long videos. So they got re-uploaded and edited. (I regret the quality more than ever, but the HD camera hasn't made the shopping list yet.)

Anyway, especially since last Friday's day in court didn't go like everyone wanted, I wanted to post this short little bit because that was a good raid and a good memory

One-minute video contains:
Setting up for the raid, with the blown-up picture of Kyle
Serving the Kyle Birthday Caek
Chalking the Sidewalk
The Message

I think you may have misunderstood. I was there, and while I'm no hard expert, I do know enough to follow along, and I was under the impression it went quite well. I think we're generally cautiously optimistic.

2 posts in a row 612 I Loved both of them especially your observations actually being there in real life.

I say When this case get's to court all of the defendants are going to be in a legal world of hurt. I've only read 150-175 pages of the files but when these people are put on the stand Man is it going to look bad for them.

"Never set yourself up for a fall"

In this instance I say Good Vibes, Thoughts, It Will Go To Trial and Kyle's death will be Answered For!

WOW
http://justiceforkylebrennan.blogspot.com/2012/09/a-reflection-on-kyle-brennan-as-young.html

Kyle had been shot in the head with his father’s, and his father’s .357 Magnum was lying near his body. There is no evidence that Kyle committed suicide since there was no suicide note and Kyle’s fingerprints were found nowhere including the revolver and ammunition found at the scene.

IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
________________________
No. 12-10024
________________________
D.C. Docket No. 8:09-cv-00264-SDM-EAJ
ESTATE OF KYLE THOMAS BRENNAN,
by and through its Administrator, Victoria L. Britton,
Plaintiff-Appellant,
versus
CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SERVICE
ORGANIZATION, INC.,
DENISE GENTILE,
a.k.a. Denise Miscavige Gentile,
GERALD GENTILE,
THOMAS BRENNAN,
Defendants-Appellees.
________________________
Appeal from the United States District Court
for the Middle District of Florida
________________________
(September 19, 2012)
Before HULL, MARCUS and COX, Circuit Judges.
Case: 12-10024 Date Filed: 09/19/2012
Case 8:09-cv-00264-SDM-EAJ Document 241 Filed 09/19/12 Page 1 of 3 PageID 3494
PER CURIAM:
After full review and oral argument, we conclude that the Plaintiff-
Appellant Estate of Kyle Thomas Brennan has demonstrated no reversible error in
the district court’s order, dated December 6, 2011, granting summary judgment to
the Defendants-Appellees, Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization, Inc.,
Denise Gentile, Gerald Gentile, and Thomas Brennan.
AFFIRMED.

Case: 12-10024 Date Filed: 09/19/2012
Case 8:09-cv-00264-SDM-EAJ Document 241 Filed 09/19/12 Page 2 of 3 PageID 3495
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
ELBERT PARR TUTTLE COURT OF APPEALS BUILDING
56 Forsyth Street, N.W.
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
John Ley
Clerk of Court
September 19, 2012

FUCK.

Not even close. Dang.

WTF?

What? A ruling already?

Apparently the judges decided the case raised no significant legal issues that needed to be addressed in a written decision. As such, they rejected the appeal with a cursory affirmation of the lower court's decision.

That's what it looks like. Can we get a link or more info, please? This is heartbreaking...

Canada is far from a utopia, but, the judicial system in the U.S. is f*cked up!

Working on posting the PDF, but there ain't much more than this.

They decided quickly, at least based on the information that we wouldn't know anything until November.

YouSeeNothing? check your pm's please?

I knew they would vote quickly. What would have taken longer would of been the writing of an opinion. However, apparently they decided the case didn't raise any legal questions that needed to be addressed in a written opinion so as to help guide judges in future rulings. Thus, the cursory dismissal.

Disappointing but unsurprising.

Makes sense. Would a new case need to be brought to address all of the inconsistencies, lies and any new evidence?

PDF is here: http://pdfcast.org/pdf/estate-of-kyle-brennan-v-church-of-scientology-fso

Tell me if that isn't downloadable to the public, I haven't used that site before.

In other news, judges are fucktards.

That works. Thanks.

Not the lawyers though?

I think we can all agree Potter is a fucktard.