Man booted from airplane for wearing anti-TSA shirt

Discussion in 'Freedom of Expression' started by Quentinanon, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. Ann O'Nymous Member

  2. Of course there are still many white idiots, that are racist, I do not deny that ! But on average, we are nowadays way less racist then many others. Let us take japan : if you walk through shibuya (part of tokyo) you finds bars with english sign saying np0 gaijins, asians only. It is like in the us in the 1950ies with their "no negroes allowed" signs, especially in the south, but this is today, not 60 years ago ! We whites have learned from our mistakes, and while there will always be some people, who never learn, we are way less racist nowadays then many others.
    Yet we are the ones, often the only ones, that are mentioned when racism is the subject ! A good example is this : if a white male says anything about being proud to be white or so, he is automatically branded a racist. I germany it is really extreme, until a few years ago you where already branded a racist if you had a german flag in your garden, and even today it is only ok. if there is some football championship or so. I mean WTF ??? My mexican neighbor has his flag, but when i fly mine I am looked at funny !
    When a black male says he is proud to be black either nobody cares, or he is even actively encouraged. When I do the same i am called a racist ! Why that double standard ? Why is ok. for japanese, not to let me in a bar, because I am a gajin, but when the same happens to a japanese tourist here, there would be an outcry ! I am really sick of this, anti racism is almost a euphemism for anti white nowadays !!!
    I mean sure, we do have a really bad track record, but that´s the thing IN THE PAST (at least for europe, the us is a special case altogether) !!! Other nations have a bad track record too, though. look at the japanese war crimes during world war II, they are just as bad as what the nazi´s did, but we admitted them, and tried to make up for them. The japanese deny unit 731 till today ! Same with russia, nobody cares about the holdomor any longer. Or what about turkey and the genocide on the armenians, that turkey denies till today btw ? What about the millions of deaths due to maoh´s cultural revolution ? What about the red khmer and their genocide ? etc.etc.etc.
    But you always only hear about those big bad nazi´s ! All those other´s are forgotten or ignored, how come ? Most of the nazi´s are not alive anymore, the few that are where in their 20ies and had nothing to say really. But somehow, if people hear you are german you still get prejudices ! If you say you are austrian, you are fine though, although even hitler was austrian ^^ We have learned from our past, asnd changed, and yet we are still the bad guy. All the other examples I mentioned usually just deny it happened, and have not learned a thing from it, yet they are forgiven. WHAT THE FLYING FUCK ???
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  3. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Maybe because W(ASP) are still dominant in the society ? Those who were enslaved, lynched and segregated might feel a need to (re)define their pride.

    IMHO, white people of lesser extraction might feel the same need, but using their race as an argument does not seem very logical. A social and economical approach might be more appropriate, but the leading class managed to make socialism a four letter word.
    Japan did very bad things during WWII, but not as much as the Nazis, IMHO.
  4. Anonymous Member

    The Captain of a vessel (ship or aircraft) is ultimately responsible for anything that happens on board. He or she also has the right to determine who or what is allowed on board the vessel. If, in the Captain's opinion, a passenger's behavior (including attire) could be disruptive or make the other passengers uncomfortable, he/she has the right to remove the offender from the aircraft. The Company and the FAA will usually back the Captain up. If that concept doesn't conform to some people's worldview of "I don't agree, so I don't have to do it", fine. Walk.

    If you want docs, go to a maritime or aviation law source. I'm not going to look it up for you.
  5. Anonymous Member

    Don't make assertions without DOX, or stay at ESMB, redneck.
  6. Anonymous Member

    It's not important to me whether you believe it's the law or not. If you don't believe it, check it out for yourself. I've got better uses for my time than satisfying your curiosity.
  7. Ann O'Nymous Member

    It's not important to me whether you believe it's the law or not. If you believe it, check it out for yourself. I've got better uses for my time than contemplating your lack of curiosity.
  8. Anonymous Member

    The concept of captain’s authority dates back to maritime history. Ships at sea cannot be governed by democracy. A ship can have only one judge, jury, and enforcer of rules and behavior. That is the captain. “The captain’s word is law” was the law in maritime transport long before the first airplane ever got off the ground.

    Many characteristics of maritime travel were carried over into the fledgling aviation industry, and captain’s authority likewise became one of aviation’s basic tenets.

    FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation) 91.3 (a) states: “The pilot-in-command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.” FAR 121.535 (d) further states: “Each pilot in command of an aircraft is, during flight time, in command of the aircraft and crew and is responsible for the safety of the passengers, crew members, cargo, and airplane.”

    Case law also firmly supports this principle and grants broad discretion to the captain in fulfilling this responsibility. For example, any assessment of a captain’s decision must be weighed in view of information known to the crew at the time (not after the fact) and must be balanced against the probable risks and consequences involved, the availability (or lack thereof) of options, and the short amount of time available for decision-making. To be sure, a captain may be called to defend his or her decisions, but the regulations and case law frame a strong presumption that the captain is exercising sound professional judgment in these situations.
  9. grebe Member

    Long before 9/11 I was always told never to make wisecracks about bombs while at the airport. People told me it was a Federal crime, although I never checked if that were true or not.

    I would not find that guy's t-shirt upsetting. But it would make me nervous --not because of its message but because of the feeling of impending drama that it would inspire. I'm always running a little late at airports and so I am not entertained by drama while I am there.

    tl;dr: Don't crack bomb jokes at airports. Ever.
  10. Anonymous Member

  11. Ann O'Nymous Member

  12. Anonymous Member

    Your comment didn't make any sense, nor did your response to my post.
  13. Anonymous Member

    No one here is obligated to say something which will make sense to you, nor to respond to your posts. This is not the Hugbox.

    Off is the general direction in which I'd like you to fuck.jpg
  14. muldrake Member

    I'm entirely comfortable with the fact that some rights are restricted when you're boarding transportation that carries over a hundred people and if it stops flying and instead hits the ground you all die.

    Not liking the TSA isn't one of those things that cause reasonable worry, though.

    The TSA and its bullshit "security theater" don't make us any more secure and study after study has shown people can sneak weapons and bombs right past these monkeys. They are no more qualified to provide security than the guy asking you if you want fries with that.
  15. Anonymous Member

    Ain't happenin', man. Get used to it. If you can't carry on a ration discourse, go home.
  16. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Rational discourse is one thing. Source is another.
  17. Let me see if I got this clear now: If the arrangement of ink patterns on your shirt can be interpreted as being critical of and/or lampooning that which falls outside the realm of all things considered funny by TSA agents then you will be detained, questioned and/or otherwise hassled. Sounds to me more like something you’d expect to see in Stalinist Russia rather than a free and open democratic society…just sayin.
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  18. Why didn’t he just wear an “I’m with stupid” t-shit with a big fingered hand pointing to a TSA agent? Wrong as it may be that they detained and hassled him for an expression on a t-shirt, this guy was obviously out to ruffle some feathers.
  19. Anonymous Member

    One more time.

    It wasn't TSA that denied him boarding. From the OP: "The pilot of the aircraft, however, had had enough of the whole ordeal and asked the Delta supervisor to relay the message that, due to the discomfort the shirt had caused, neither Arijit nor his wife would be allowed to board the aircraft.".
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  21. Anonymous Member

    At Least they didn't see this:


    They would've thought that Buddhas were Nazi's.
  22. cTp Member

    Dress Codes: They have them everywhere, an airport/airplane is not a public place it is privately owned. They can enforce whatever rules they wish.
  23. Anonymous Member

    Maybe, but I pay beaucoup buxes to go there.
    How about a shirt which says, "If you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested under [statute ## and names]."
  24. anonymous612 Member

    Oh jesus people learn to read.

    This is an important quote:
    It's an important quote because 1, it points out that TSA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, and 2, he was refused service because of the goddamn drama generated, not because anyone thought he posed a thread. Moral of the story, don't be a fucking asshole to airplane staff and in return they won't ruin your fucking day. I wouldn't notice a man wearing a shirt (and neither would you, in all likelihood). I would, however, notice a man making me late for my fucking flight because he decided to use my flight as his soapbox to make a stand against grand oppression.

    Use your fucking heads. He was intentionally starting shit. You don't wear an anti-TSA shirt to the airport unless you're actually hoping they'll give you shit about it. It'd be like attending a Scientology event in a "Lol Xenu" shirt. You're HOPING they'll throw you out so you have some incredibly unfunny story to tell your friends over and over again for the next ten years.

    And I may dislike the TSA, but I dislike people who intentionally start shit when I'm trying to fly cross-country far, far more. When I'm at the airport my concerns are simple: 1) don't miss my flight, 2) don't get stuck in the middle seat between two fat guys, and 3) don't forget to remove the nailclippers from my bag before I pack.

    Nowhere in any of that is "give a shit about some guy's political opinions" listed.
  25. Anonymous Member

    paranoid US homosexuals are fucking homoerotic with their faggotry
  26. anonymous612 Member

    I find it flattering. Dude thinks I can kill people with a set of nailclippers.

    I fly quite a bit, and the only security rule I particularly dislike is the removing laptops from their case thing. Because then I'm getting off the line trying to hold my shoes, coat, and laptop in one hand, and my laptop case, boarding pass, and suitcase in the other hand, and it's like, how many fucking hands do they think I have...?
  27. Anonymous Member

    The first American Revolution was fought over less than this seemingly minor inconvenience. I mean, terrists always bring their laptops onboard.

    The Gadsden snake flag carried the motto, "Don't Tread On Me".
    The new US sheeple motto is, "I've Nothing to Hide, So Search Me".

    Y'all a bunch of faggots for not standing up for your civil rights, and the whole world knows it.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    Flying on an airplane is not a right, it is a privilege. I choose to submit to the search when I purchase a ticket.
    It is a business transaction, not a right.
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  29. Anonymous Member

    To not be unreasonably searched is a right delineated (not conferred) by the US Constitution. You oughta try reading it sometime, if you can be bothered, o wise and capitalistic illiterato.

    Or, enjoy having your genitalia fondled, your choice.
  30. Anonymous Member

    The whole world knows it? The whole world undergoes searches!
  31. Anonymous Member

    Under certain conditions why yes I do enjoy having my genitalia fondled.
  32. Anonymous Member

    If by "the whole world", you mean the US and Israel, then you're correct. There are many countries where it is not required to be sexually assaulted in order to board an aircraft.
  33. Anonymous Member

    By a toy cop, in public?
    Is this Agent PubeIt?
  34. anonymous612 Member

    And you have that right. You can choose not to fly.

    Planes and the companies that provide them are privately owned services and are not obligated to allow you to use their service. You have no "right" to fly on an airplane any more than you have the right to free speech on a website (hint: you don't).

    Fuck you. I understand fully why removing my laptop from its case is necessary. It would be very easy to empty out the components and hide an explosive device inside it. And they no longer force us to actually boot up our electronic devices for them the way they used to (but I notice you won't give them credit for backing off on that one), so the only way to check is to ensure the clearest scan possible.

    Of all the reasons to be pissed at the TSA, you chose the least accurate one. Way to go.

    I've never in my life been sexually assaulted in order to board an aircraft. Exaggeration much?
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  35. Anonymous Member

    Your inference is that each and every passenger in the states is physically examined before boarding. BS!

    Israel, IDK never been there.
  36. anonymous612 Member

    ^Fucking THIS, a thousand times.
  37. Anonymous Member

    Ah, sorry, forgot! Pron-scanners! They're OK, and also not bad for you!

    Keep saying in different ways, "I Have Nothing to Hide, So Search Me!". You sound braver and freer each time ;)
  38. anonymous612 Member

    And you sound more and more like you're just bullshitting every time you get caught in a false claim and have to change your story.

    But hey. If you don't want to deal with TSA, you're welcome to buy your own aircraft and learn to fly it yourself. Or you could fly out of any one of the airports that no longer use TSA. But you're all talk and no action.
  39. Anonymous Member

    So sexual assault complaint, now becomes complaint about invasion of privacy does it? Keep going let's find out what your complaint winds up being by the end of thread.
  40. anonymous612 Member

    "Bawwwww, I had to take off my flipflops...."
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