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Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

Discussion in 'Independent Scientology' started by Anonymous, Mar 18, 2010.

  1. Anonymous Member

    Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    There is that thread about the LRH Birthday event where people that had ethics problems had to watch from a tent outside. There was also talk of OSA getting a rumor about people standing up during DM speech.

    What I don't understand is why are they all such pussies. Why don't these so-called Independents that love their tech so much, just go to these events? If they are kicked out by security, so what? I'd be like here is a copy of my donation check I paid to IAS. I've given X thousands of dollars. And make a big scene in front of other publics.

    Why are they all a bunch of cowards. Why not call every rich public scilon they know and plan some event or tell them to boo everytime DM says "Ideal Org".

    Cowards like Rathbun deserve what they get. Also, enjoy fucking up other people's relationships and marriages Marty, you coward (and former criminal).

    Oh yeah, this isn't Black Dianetics or whatever, I just think you are a douchebag. And your use of intro to college Black History references are the ultimate peak of gayitude. We get it, you are boning a black lady.. Quit posting youtube videos from Malcom X whitebread.
  2. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards



    Well said, from behind that mask of anonymity.
  3. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Marty still sells and promotes L. Ron Hubbard's con game, so Marty is still a criminal.

    As for the rest about exes, don't pain them all with the same brush.
  4. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Well YES
    Marty Squirrelbun and his lackeys are utter contemptible cowards
    for the abuses they continue to cover over and the lies they refuse to acknowledge.

    But your examples do not illustrate this point, really very well.
    People who show up "uninvited" at major Sci events are at risk of:
    arrest (trespassing), injury, and other miscellaneous threats.

    Some FZ exes may still have family/friends "in" who they're trying to keep comm with, and trying to avoid disconnection. Direct confrontation with DM/RTC may hamper those efforts, and while not "brave" I wouldn't consider it abject cowardice.

    Don't call them cowards for not doing something that you aren't yourself doing either.

    If you must, call them cowards for shrinking from that which you yourself do not shrink. Call their abuses as they are, not as they might be compared to some ideal of yours.
  5. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    I am glad you're not a coward and will be posting the video you took inside the Scientology event. I heard you sat right next to Jenna Elfman!!
  6. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    If I gave hundreds of thousands to IAS etc, hell yes I would stride right in as a big wig.. Let them try to escort you out, make a scene in front of other big donors.

    If I was 30 years as an executive, yeah, I'd let them escort me out in front of everyone.. Hell just letting all the publics see prominent people being forcibly removed or people being denied access should make them question things.

    Imagine 20 people kept getting kicked out and making a scene.

    And no it is not trespass if you received an email about the event. It should be open to all scientologists. I'm not talking about invite only events. I'm not talking about making a scene in the middle of an event. I'm just talking about attending this church event.
  7. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Marty and his [strike]in[/strike]co-dependents? I thmell puthy.
  8. JMBrandon Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    While I agree some of Marty's group and himself are cowards, its for different reasons.
    They are withholding information that could severely damage scientology regarding the Lisa McPherson case, I think Marty/Rinder wants to get DM removed while leaving the cult following in tact so they can take over once the power vacuum opens up...
    I'm on to their game- if they really wanted to destroy CoS, they could, but they want as minimal damage as possible so they can pick up where DM leaves off.
  9. Paroxetine Samurai Moderator

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    This surprises you how?

    Let me put it this way - Marty is a big pussy that wants DM's seat. Any Scilon that does any of what you describe would be booted out and called PTS or SP faster than Tom Cruise goes down DM. DM beats staff and would give these insubordinates an extra helping or two. Then turn around and beat innocent staff for dessert.

    I am not surprised nor shocked that people were left out in a tent during DM's gay [STRIKE]orgy[/STRIKE] event. He hopes this will make them part with more cash thetans. So again, what is the news in all of this?
  10. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    I have talked about this before, and so this OP needs to lay of their friends a little. They go to the events and are completely scammed into the event.

    If DM had the slightest inclination about whats going down he'd be hopping his two feet to planet X.

    I'll say this again, whats is well said from behind that mask of anonymity, is still a pleasure to see. It is so nice that your doing so well even though your peach-ness does very little in the realm of Scientology so get over it. Why bitch about Marty when their is still so much being done in Scientology.

    If your in the know about the policies regarding the COB you would fine the irony if you recall. This is considering why OSA allowed a rumor about people standing up during DM speech to be repeated to us all this time.
  11. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    "Why bitch about Marty when their is still so much being done in Scientology."

    Ummm, maybe because he covered up the death of a young woman at the hands of applying LRH tech to the letter.. Oh yeah illegally covering up her death was also perfect LRH tech being applied.

    Marty is a coward and is white. He seems to have forgotten both of these facts.
  12. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    When DM is grabbing his ankles and thinking of roses and tom cruise and scotch, marty is the next fucking target.

    The "tech" is the problem, everything bad the scifags do is due to the "tech", and marty wants to be the next hubbard (who marty thinks was god and is infallible and its all miscavaiges fault).
  13. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Marty is god and it is all miscavaiges fault. The business's worshipers are going to be sold into selling their souls to the next Caesar. Then we all and bitch about HIS replacement too. I still can't over how his loyalists don't see through the curtain. There is other things for us to do in Scientology.
  14. Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Loyalists...

    Loyal....

    Loyal.... officers.....


    :xenu tinfoil:
  15. Major Boyle Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    I don't think Marty understand that there won't BE a seat for him to sit in after this is all over. RICO + asset forfieture = yummy.
  16. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Marty has been around long enough and and seen more than enough to know that $cientology is bullshit and yet, despite that, still attracts thousands of people into the bait'n'switch scam. He knows how it works inside-and-out. He's exhibited the cast iron balls of the master conman in describing the independents as the original Protestants and, in doing so, provided sufficient incentive in the wretched "love bombing" comments section that follows such posts to lead his congregation to the inevitable conclusions that he, himself, is the 21st Century Martin Luther. So dissolved are the critical-thinking functions of his adherents that they are unable to perceive that Marty is another Hubbard/Madoff and work tirelessly, and for free, on his behalf.

    $cientology's top lawyers are also onto the game and have been playing the cult for decades. When it all comes crumbling down, the big money will evaporate overnight and the remaining senior executives will squabble and writhe around amongst the remaining treasury like an orgy of blind lesbians in a fish shop. Meanwhile, the bewildered $cientologist public and bereft $ea Org will emerge from the ruins, frightened and blinking into the sunlight where, like the Risen Christ, there stands before them - behold - St Marty - waiting with open arms, ready and more than willing to take the lost souls, and their wallets, in his benevolent care.

    If he gets away with it, good on him. Marty deserves the dregs.
  17. BusinessBecky Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Martin Luther may have been a con too.:rolleyes:
  18. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    lol
    I think he stole the idea from Anonymous:
    YouTube - BLACK OPERATIONS
  19. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Marty's complicity in criminal events, added to the fact that Elron's cult sucks IN ANY FORM, means his freezone BS needs to be destroyed, since it is just a branch of scientology.
  20. BLiP Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

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  21. timthephoto Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    i gather that the wannabe commodore now has a communications officer, who mimeographs marty's TL;DR clap-trap onto the nasty blog

    inb4leaks: RCO/PL 's
  22. Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Maybe... But there are will be enough ex-CoS members left, if/when the CoS collapes, for Marty to start and lead a small splinter group - the Continuity CoS, or the Real CoS, or Standard Tech CoS, etc. etc. They can all retire to a small commune in Texas and fawn over Marty.

    This is only relevant if the CoS collapses. And if the CoS collapses, who really cares if 200 people follow Marty down to Texas to "do stuff?"

    It would be better than now.

    How many Raelians are there?
  23. STC_SOCk2 Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Marc Headley and Rathburn are standing shoulder-to-shoulder in the photo of Shane Weightman & Chrissie Pearlan's wedding.


    Yes, I think Marty Rathburn is shit juggling thundercunt, but Marc Healdey for one knows the con is total bullshit.


    ...and so do many, many others. They are fucking using Marty Rathburn and the moment he starts leaderfagging himself post-Miscavige they will call him out for all the bullshit. And so will the press; the press will fucking crucify him. And more importantly, we will.
  24. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Crucifying him is one option.

    But I'd prefer it if we (metaphorically - inb4 Tom Cruise Missiles) nuked the cult from orbit, and then salted the earth just to be sure. Left no stone standing on another.

    Marty can't take over if there's nothing left to take. Far better to let him fade into obscurity like Captain Bill Robertson, fapping over a signed picture of Hubbard and trying desperately to make the ashtray move.
  25. AnonymousNow Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    My guess is they have their own events and don't want to chill with the big D for LRH's fucked up birthday.
  26. JohnB2008 Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Cowards? It's very common (and very understandable) for ex-culties to fear the group. Ex-members have panic attacks and wake up in the middle of the night & have vivid flashbacks. (They fear 'punishment' for their 'betrayal')

    Remember that video when Lino (the brave German lad) confronted his former "cult family" (who then went on to blank him)? He was fucking trembling. He was being physically help up so he could walk, by 2 people (I think one of them was mabye Ursual Caberta - I can't remember)

    It's retarded to expect them to stand up and call Miscavige out for being the bad man he is. Especially in a giant auditiorium. They would shot down very quickly (metaphorically speaking). I would fear for their physical safety, especially if there aren't cameras rolling.

    Scientology knows ex-members' lives inside out. i.e. every little thing, incudling all the really intimate stuff. They even get their 15 year old members to keep wank-diaries. They know everything; all skeletons in closets.

    (Okay, maybe Rathbun is different cos he was really senior. I don't really know his life story, nor do i care.)

    It does strike me as odd that Mike Rinder has not spoken out. I know a group of ex-scientologists well. They have told me that they'll speak on on Rathburn's blog but they still think he's a bit of a twat.

    Being independent is compared to methadrone for heroine addicts. It helps wean people of the cult slowly. Remember, this is a total head-fuck. I doubt many of you can empathise with how much of a head-fuck this whole thing is; like imagine you were told LRH doctorine was truth since you were a baby .. and didn't know better.


    tl;dr shut the fuck up, faggot! They're not cowards, by any stretch of the imagination. Well, Marty might be but he's different.
  27. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

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  28. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Jim Logan and him are BFFs now, it's cool.
  29. Random guy Member

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    ^^THIS^^!

    Marty is small fry now. I'd keep an eye on him, but I don't think he's anything to stray from target over.
  30. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Drug addicts can't be cowards? Sure we would like to see Marty castrated, but he's not an addicted coward. Marty is a rendition of the ron con. Thou art be afraid of thy own's eternity. The game continues to persists as we loiter around and Mr. Independent and cohorts will in time put into captivity the will of millions.
  31. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    On his Blog, his latest post about "Humility" has them oohing and ahhing and kissing his humble ass like never before. Only the truly great can be so humble. It's such an honor just to be on the same planet as this Marty, and he has such a nice smile.
  32. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    What if Marty was an OSA spy "purposely" kicked out to gain data on Scientology's "Enemies". He'd be the perfect "still". These sneaky scientologists could have done that. I just hope no-one has given him too much personal information.
  33. exOT8Michael Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Marty has no signatory power on Scientology accounts. He can't give me my money back, so is irrelevant to my interests.
    Kthxbye.
  34. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    An OSA agent, who accuses COB of beating up staff and takes his allegations to the SP times, which in consequence creates an avalanche of bad PR for the cult?
    All this just to gain some useless data on some harmless freezoners?
    Pretty unlikely.
  35. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards


    Did it really bring bad PR to the cult as in it's a con game, it's a cult, tech IS abuse, tons of front groups, VMs lied about Haiti, etc.....or was the bad PR aimed almost exclusively at DM's leadership?


    Agenda don't even have to be hidden for some of you to not see them. Sad, really.
  36. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    No not just freezoners,but with maybe a sacrifice that big, there might have been something much bigger at stake, like contacts with anonymous prominent activists, contacts from the MentalHealthCare, as they are big enemies.Maybe it's a situation of "The bigger the lie"
  37. Anon TROLL Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    It's not an uncommon practice in a world of cloak and dagger that a defector or opponent of ones own country later turns out to be spying for the government it was supposedly "fighting".
  38. willhaven720 Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    No.

    I could MAYBE see that being the case with Mike Rinder. But definitely not Marty. Yes, he needs to fall on his sword. But no, he's not a double agent and is doing real damage to the church.

    Thanks Marty.

    You're still a fucking douchebag. But thanks for leaving and telling the truth about DM.

    I'll buy you a beer if and when you tell the truth about yourself.
  39. Lorelei Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    Someone on OCMB proposed a similar theory.

    Whereas I don't really trust Marty Rathbun or his probable agenda, I don't think he's welcome back at the CofS.

    It's POSSIBLE. Sweet Nancy Many got duped into "double-agenting" for a while. Smurf was out and then in, and then out. But is it PROBABLE?

    As another Anon pointed out, he has caused quite a problem for Miscavige by confirming that beatings / abuse occur(red). Causing a PR problem for Miscavige has to pretty much seal your doom as far as the current mgmt. of Scientology is concerned. If there is a "DM's Rogues Gallery" at Gold, you can bet Marty's portrait is hung right next to a picture of some random d00d in a V mask. :)

    No, I think Marty is more concerned with recreating HubTech Minus DM, which is problematic in itself (as the abuses are inextricable from the tech, from what I can tell, and from what exes and other critics say).

    I believe that he is self-serving and that his criticism of DM is helpful, but you'll note that he isn't exactly talking about just anything on his blog. He's studiously ignoring the events in Australia, for one. He is being coy about his past participation in some of the abuses he implicates DM et al of. He is not openly condemning some of the known human rights abuses that Disconnection / the RPF / etc. have caused; from what I can tell, HubTech Minus DM is not HubTech Minus Abusive HubPolicies.

    I hope to be proven wrong.

    And I am glad he's out.

    I just don't think he's a particularly useful ally in any way, or that he is interested in addressing malignant Scientology practices. As such, I don't have much use for him, though I wish him well, one human being to another.
  40. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty and Independants are a bunch of cowards

    I stopped reading there.

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