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Marty on New IS Membership Community, Milestone Two Ltd.

Discussion in 'Independent Scientology' started by Anonymous, Jun 20, 2013.

  1. Anonymous Member

    Original WWP Post on the Eleven is: https://whyweprotest.net/community/...fit-membership-community.111679/#post-2319396

    The Way Out Is Not The Way Back In
    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/the-way-out-is-not-the-way-back-in/

    Excerpts:
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  2. Oh Marty. Please don't make me go and look up all the names.
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  3. Anonymous Member

    Um, did you see the following in my OP above? :)
    In any event, the Eleven Founding Members of Milestone Two, Ltd., the new IS Membership Community, are:

    Steve Hall
    Dan Koon
    Dani Lemberger
    Haydn James
    Tom Martiniano
    Lucy James
    Mark Shreffler
    Jim Logan
    Bernie Wimbush
    Silvia Llorens
    Lana Mitchell
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  4. That would have required clicking a link. Im a busy man, that's why Im hardly ever on here:)

    Thank you.

    Are you sure that's not a list of Nobel Prize nominees?
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  5. Anonymous Member

    Mike Rinder on new Independent Scientology Membership Community, Milestone Two, Ltd.

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/the-way-out-is-not-the-way-back-in/#comment-269442
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  6. Marty's written diatribes read like a nine year old fighting with his developmentally slow 7 year old sister.
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  7. Anonymous Member

    Karen De La Carriere on new Independent Scientology Membership Community, Milestone Two, Ltd.

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/the-way-out-is-not-the-way-back-in/#comment-269413
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  8. Anonymous Member

    I'm liking this.
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  9. Anonymous Member

    Partially decoding the references in Marty's post: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/the-way-out-is-not-the-way-back-in/

    Founder No. 1: Steve Hall
    Proof: http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/430-lessening-the-overt

    Founder No. 2: Jim Logan
    Proof: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/keeping-scientology-working/#comment-251558
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  10. Anonymous Member

    LOL Some might say there are advantages to a comment section that does not give one a choice of fonts and colors. ;)
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  11. jensting Member

    Ever so often Mike writes something with which I agree completely :)
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  12. amaX Member

    The stupid it burns.
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  13. Anonymous Member

    Interesting development on Marty's blog and, one suspects, at least partially in reaction to and/or caused by Marty's journey:

    Penny Krieger is no longer a Scientologist

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/the-way-out-is-not-the-way-back-in/#comment-269415
    Penny
    http://www.paradiseorientalrugs.com/
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  14. Anonymous Member

    An another...

    Murray Pearlman is no longer a Scientologist

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/the-way-out-is-not-the-way-back-in/#comment-269467
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  15. rickybobby Member

    Lana Mitchell is #3, Dan Koon is #5, Dani Lemberger is #10.
  16. rickybobby Member

    And who is this one?

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  17. Anonymous Member

    I made the partial decoding post above, and I think so also. I just couldn't find any "dox."

    I have no doubt Dani Lemberger is #10. I was actually surprised to see him post and comment on the iScientology Blog, and much, much more surprised to see that he was one of the Eleven.

    Yeah, I think Lana Mitchell is #3. Has anyone proxied up and checked who "published a testimonial on one of Office of Special Affairs’ 35 plus anti-Marty websites claiming [he] was driving people off the bridge by misinforming them that there was no justice to be had in the church and producing nothing but ‘natter?'" Holy crap, if it is and was Lana, how in the name of Xenu do you have as the founder of iScientology Blog and the founder of your "Independent Membership Community" someone who posted on an OSA hate site?

    I couldn't find anything showing Dan Koon is #5, but suspect so also. But WTF, Koon has said that he has OT IX, X, XI, and XII????? And he's been depriving mankind of this spiritual wisdom for decades?

    I think I've identified Founder No. 11:
    I think Founder No. 11 is KIngsley Wimbush's brother, Bernie Wimbush.

    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/380-my-stance-hasn-t-changed
    http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/380-my-stance-hasn-t-changed#comment-218
    (Please, I know people here have strong conflicting knowingness about the issue, but let us try to avoid fighting over de-dining and the question of whether de-dinging is on Source.)
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  18. Anonymous Member

    Unless The Oracle is confusing two people (not impossible), her quotation of Marty ("Attempted to out a comment poster...") is for Founder No. 11, Jim Logan. See: https://whyweprotest.net/community/...munity-milestone-two-ltd.111757/#post-2320674

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  19. #3 supposedly came out on Martys blog, from a cursory scan of his blog I don't think Lana did?

    My money is on Lucy & Haydn James being numbers 6 & 7. They came out on Martys blog and said Marty was a righteous dude.
  20. Anonymous Member

    Lana came out on Marty's blog:

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/thats-what-im-talkin-about/
  21. Who else. Nasty piece of work is Jimmy and I don't even know him. There is a bloke that has dedicated his life to this crap and lapped up OTIII with a fork and spoon.

    We should consider the possibility that its not him being an ass, just unaudited body thetans. And if they are anything like Gremlins they multiply every time he has a shower
  22. Anonymous Member

    Sorry, type. (It is late / early.) Founder No. 2 is Him Logan, not No. "11." See: https://whyweprotest.net/community/...munity-milestone-two-ltd.111757/#post-2320674
  23. rickybobby Member

    This was Dani Lemberger's last post-- June 18 on the Scientology at War post. Guess she won't be posting there anymore...

  24. rickybobby Member

    Marty shows SKM the door after SKM writes some incomprehensible woo-woo in his Scientology at War comment thread. Any clue who SKM is?
    (Sorry, don't know how to get rid of the formatting after c&p)

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  25. Anonymous Member

    I think I found the specific problem. Fascinating. So now frequenting the iScientology Blog is showing disrespect for Marty's wife Mosey:

    Given that statement, I wonder what Marty is going to do about Dani Lemberger, who not only frequents the iScientology Blog, but has posted there and is one of the Eleven Founding Members of Milestone Two Ltd.
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  26. But this is what make it so delicious. They go to war over the most trivial, petty things. Its awesome.
    Then its I'm not going to engage in name calling but...
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  27. "Im not going to name names. I care for them all. Unless you post on their blog, in which case FUCK OFF"
  28. wolfbane Member

    You gotta love how the entire post is one gigantic tit-for-tat attack yet he claims he is not firing back. Marty himself is showing he is also product of that same system by lobbing such an attack that starts with the classic Scientological labeling of the perceived enemy with a thought-stopping moniker and then painting his attack with the usual slimy scilon PR spin of a master propagandist by saying that he is not returning fire. And he goes so overboard in this post with the dead agenting of the 11 that it comes across as a pissing match of each side trying to prove who is the bigger bully. Which of course plays out in the comments.

    By jove, I do believe the indy problem has essentially handled itself. There can be no doubt the iScientology group has become what it is they hate, Marty has a point there even though he let them drag him down to their level. And based on his arrogant call-out point that they didn't ask him to be apart of the upper management clique, there can also be no doubt he is no better then they are. Why fight the big bad church that will perpetually overshadow their independent practice until it is stripped of its religious cloaking, fully debunked as being a crock of shit and permanently dismantled- when they can fight each other.

    End result - imo this schism is a good thing. It significantly weakens the indie movement overall, it sets both sides on a path where they show their true colors are no different than the mother church and it takes them off target in a key way: it's no longer about recovering people leaving the church but about showing which class of indies is the better one to be apart of. And that new target of dividing everyone into an us vs. them battle will push the newly out church members away rather than drawing them into the same trap under a different name.
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  29. fishypants Moderator

    I'm confused.

    I don't see any religious ministers among the dramatis personae.
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  30. Their accreditation is just being printed off. Check back in 5 min.
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  31. Anonymous Member

    I am torn. Do I love the indies fighting? Yes? Do I hate to see them applying the same cult tactics to one another? No. The infighting plays directly into Miscavige's hand and strengthens his position. That does not serve our purpose.

    The LRH bullshit abuse continues now inside and outside of Miscavige land. While we need to concentrate on the goal this muddies it somewhat.
  32. wolfbane Member

    Agreed. I was torn in the same way for the same things last night when I first read Marty's post. But upon reflection, a few things occurred to me:
    1. The indies being a unified front also does not serve our purposes. Their viewpoints skew media coverage into legitimizing their side of the debate that DM is bad, LRH is good. And we need more debunking of LRH that accurately paints Scientology as something that has more bad than good in it. We have ground to make up for on this front thanks to the indies garnering center stage the past couple years. So it's a good thing to have them painting themselves as no better than the original and discrediting their own altruistic claims.
    2. The key indie opinion leaders have all had their 15 minutes of fame. What more can they say at this point that can be used to further our goal of dismantling the church? Not much aside from their testimony in court cases.
    3. The water has been muddied ever since the indies united behind Marty's bandwagon. The time has come for them to sink or swim. Marty seems to be doing a slow doggie paddle for the shoreline while the iScientology group is sinking into the depths. This sets things up nicely for some new scandal to come along that is totally detached from the indy movement that will make BIG waves in our favor and make the indie opinion leaders irrelevant.
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  33. fishypants Moderator


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  34. This is my feeling as well.

    I have to say that Marty's path has been an interesting one and representative of that community.

    (a) First, his info is lapped up, then (b)he alienates the journalists somehow, then (c) the journalists do what people with spare ink and a deadline do for a living...

    I find it lulzy that they are having to conduct this fight publicly over the internet and not on private telex or mimeograph.

    These indies are showing their colors lately. I want to have the motherchurch so poisoned that the hyenas on the sidelines won't even touch the fucking carcass.
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  35. fishypants Moderator


    This does seem to be the usual trajectory for journalists' encounters with Scientology.

    If there's one thing that Scientology is really good at, it's turning the curious-but-neutral journalist into a long-term hostile critic.

    I find it interesting that this also seems to be the trajectory of the guy hired by the Squirrel Busters to do their documentary.

    It's rather a cheerful thought, for me. When people really find out about Scientology, quite a lot of them feel a need to expose it. It's heart-warming.
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  36. Anonymous Member

    What's telex or mimeograph? Hell, what's ink?
  37. Archaic references thoughtfully planned to emphasize the technology gap the clams work with under the influence of KSW.

    Otherwise tl,dr? <shrug>

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