Marty Rathbun and Glasnost

Discussion in 'Independent Scientology' started by Anonymous, Sep 3, 2011.

  1. Krautfag Member

    I agree, still I love throwing dirt at the mods. It is a healthy thing to do :p

    Oh boy, that was a fun...the poor bastard thought the Anonymous poster was a single person and the most capable trolls fell for it. Lulz were had :)

    And though this actual thread was initially full of fail and aids, it hast turned out quite nice too. Yay.
  2. I'm not quite sure it would be that good but I would indeed be interested in seeing the full set of Flag / CMO orders. Though I'm curious to know what you think is further below the surface.

    However, I still think real prosecution of the church is unlikely, though I would like to be wrong on that.
  3. Anonymous Member

    The LRH Advices are the scilon equivalent of the Holy Grail. Getting NOTs was caek compared to what it'd take to pop those out.
  4. Anonymous Member

    I heard somewhere on the internet that 'Anonymous delivers', so it must be true.
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  5. tildacity Member

    It is delightful to see someone address issues on their merits and to acknowledge the import of cross-cultural dynamics. I do not take exception with any of your substantive observations in any meaningful way.

    Your observations standing I still argue that the overt contradictions demonstrated by the German politicians and courts reflect that Germany's handling of religious tolerance is reaching a pivot point in history similar to the way that South Africa reached a pivot point in its apartheid policies. Despite the cultural nuances the twenty first century is knocking at the door.
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  6. Smurf Member

    It's not true. I'm still waiting for my damn pizza.
  7. Anonymous Member

    Sorry, hon, got delayed . . .
  8. Anonymous Member

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  9. grebe Member

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Scientology is under watch in Germany because it is considered an organization working toward objectives that would undermine the German constitution. It's the Scientologists who re-frame the problem as a matter of religious tolerance.
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  10. Using non-Scientology reasoning you are correct. Sadly, according to Scientology reasoning, all criticism of Scientology is an attack on human rights and a vote in favour of psychiatric death camps.
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  11. ItchyScratchy Member

    No none told me there'd be camps!!!

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  12. Xinjifar Member

    It's a matter of religious dogma in Scientology that Scientology *must* rule the world and every aspect in it, or mankind is doomed. Therefore anyone or government that stands in the way *is* a religious bigot.

    That's not even 'confidential'; it's been published *by* Scientology since the '50s.
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  13. grebe Member

    Yeah that rule the world thing... probably not cool in Germany.
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  14. ItchyScratchy Member

    I think they might have a bigger issue with the whole homo novis concept in scientology. You know master race and all that. Ruling the world? Not so much.

    I thought you hardened chanologist would be more educated on the subject. Guess not.
  15. grebe Member

    I just come here for the funny shoops and occasional lulz.
  16. tildacity Member

    You are not wrong. There is more to the story though.

    A small arm of the German government concocted an excuse to justify having Scn under watch. Much in the same way Jim Crow laws were used in the United States to justify bigotry.

    1. American Jim Crow laws
    2. South African apartheid
    3. German religious intolerance

    Twenty first century is knocking.
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  17. Anonymous Member

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  18. Anonymous Member

    Speculation is not acknowledged as credible. You must support new or ridiculous claims with solid documentation. Please upload your documents on ImageShack or other site for us to examine. Thank you.
  19. incog712 Member

    Come up to present time, we're already well within the second decade of the twenty first century. Remember back in the twentieth century there was this cult that claimed itself to be the fastest growing "religion" of that century?

    That was funny.
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  20. tippytoe Member

    Herro, is that you??
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  21. Anonymous Member

    My understanding is that, like senator Xenophon in Australia, the German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution takes the position that people should be free to believe whatever they like, but not to act outside the law.
    It seems they have a problem with the "wog law does not apply to us" / "we should run the world" aspects of Scientology.

    Oh, and hai Herro! Good to see you keeping us all on our toes.
  22. DeathHamster Member

    Academics disagree.
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  23. Anonymous Member

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  24. Random guy Member

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  25. RolandRB Member

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  26. acepi86 Member

    Marty Rathbun recently went to Germany where he revealed the use of waterboarding torture by David Miscavige and the Church of Scientology. Attorney Graham Berry was there and confirmed Marty Rathbun claimed it was waterboarding and not overboarding.... If he claimed it to happened, did he do it himself?
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  27. Anonymous Member

    I liek the way you think :)

    Well, as I've pointed out in other threads, I am still waiting for Rathbun to admit to anything, anything at all. Following in the footsteps of his paranoid/schizo mentor, he's never done anything. It's all happened to him.

    On another level, the look on his face in the picture taken of him in Louisiana prison orange says all this and more to me. Call it what you will...
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  28. Anonymous Member

    If he says he didn't, did he order it, did he try to stop it?
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  29. Anonymous Member

    How about this one: whose idea was it to do waterboarding, originally?
  30. Anonymous Member

    Half of it sounds like surmise, though it wants to be believed... dox?
  31. acepi86 Member

    Thats what im saying...
  32. ChefXenu Member

    Probably more than "surmise" as Graham Berry names a name:
    ( )
    Anyone know this Kurt Weiland chap?
  33. RolandRB Member

    Marty was ordered to do it by that cruel Miscavige. Marty was a victim. Is a victim now. Cruelly treated by the Squibbs. Victim, Victim, Victim - Marty was nearly sobbing about it and that proves he means it. Marty is a Victim. Yes, he might have waterboarded somebody else or given the orders but only as a Victim. Marty is a Victim. A Victim. 95% of people believe that so that is the majority decision, i.e. that Marty is a Victim.
  34. Smurf Member

    Marty has claimed this without any supporting dox or witnesses to back him up. Graham believes Marty. You'll have to ask Graham, yourself, why he believes this.
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  35. Saul Goodman Member

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  37. Smurf Member

    Kurt, supposedly, married Linda Simmons Hight, last Summer. If true, Kurt would be her 3rd husband.
  38. Anonymous Member

    more scilon torture:

  39. Anonymous Member

    At least a Lackey-victim, anyway.
  40. acepi86 Member

    Got to have the evidence....

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