Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

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  1. mongrel Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    So you're saying a BIG bunch of fucktards is more believable than a small bunch of fucktards?

    Why would I do that?!?!? I already waste enough time listening to the ronbot's bs. At least Captain Ron's shit is funny!!!
  2. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Funny. But Nation of Islam is not considered a real Muslim group. It's a cult formed around Elijah Muhammad. Sort of like the Branch Davidians to the Seventh Day Adventists, or Christian Science to Christianity.
  3. Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Considering the very explicit 'data' about DC-8ish spacecraft, programming of minds and's not very 'Unidentified'...
  4. Triumph Member

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    again NO.. nice of you imply to some silly juvenile innuendo again, but I see where your coming from.

    if you don't want to watch it ignore it. it wasn't posted for your viewing pleasure. don't act like a snarky child for the sake of acting like one.

    either watch it or don't .
  5. mongrel Member

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  6. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Yeah, being a Jewish Scientologist is difficult. I knew numerous OT VIIs and OT VIIIs who were Jewish. They had to keep up appearances for their Jewish families and in-laws, even though they didn't believe Jewish beliefs anymore.
  7. Triumph Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    kind of goes hand in hand with Marty other post
    Quote:Cat Daddy wrote
    just a portion
    Rugburns reply
    martyrathbun09 | August 22, 2010 at 11:45 pm | Reply

    Marty's post is kind of naive..and put little thought into what he posted.
    the NoI and its followers aren't going to change their stripes over night just for Scientology's sake

    their Hatred of Jews,Whites, homosexuals,etc.. is steeped pretty deeply in their beliefs. ingrained very deeply for decades now in some cases...and no miracle amount of Auditing. will effect much change in that ..because nothing Hubbard wrote is geared to do that in any way.

    talking about a Group (NoI) not just one'd have more success sucking a golfball through a garden hose. then getting them to alter their beliefs.

    Farrakhan is interested in using Scientology..not joining it,

    and thats assuming Farrakhan is open to the suggestion ,of altering or changing his NoI scriptures. theres no more chance of that than Marty Changing Hubbard scriptures

    I just see the whole idea. of a marriage of NoI and Scientology rubbing those with Jewish roots..inside Scientology the wrong way in so many ways.
    theres the potential for a huge conflict.

    from Marty's blog post
    what is happening is a huge footbullet served up on a silver platter.

    CCHR courts Nation of Islam
  8. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Yall a bunch of racists. Swell would be proud.

  9. Smurf Member

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    Why not? The cult has been success over the years recruiting support from the African-American community despite all it's racial history and obvious attempt to suck precious $$ from their community.

    Now, the cult is using the bad economy & high unemployment rate in a carrot-on-a-stick ploy to attract more blacks. I'm positive Pat Harney had alot to do with the coordination of this visit.

    She's long been Flag's token black Sea Org captain that is always pushed front and center when the cult's relationship with African-American community comes under scrutiny.
  10. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    This is Farrakhan's Sun Aug 22 2010 sermon:
    Nation of Islam Live Webcast

    No intention to become Scientologists but to use tech for their spiritual knowledge advancement, growth, that's what I get. He obviously has the sci lingo down.

    At the end, he puts all on notice: They are all to report to their mosques be begin study, and every single day they'll be open for classes. This begins on Tuesday, August 24. (these from his sermon would be sci tech studies)

    He states that all will be required to sign form(s), pledging to do the studies. Anyone who refuses to do so will no longer be allowed a post, a ministry or a job? part of national or intl Nation of Islam organization.

    He also made a statement: "He (don't know if refers to DM or someone else) said he wanted 50,000 laborers (laborers has a specific meaning in this group, not sure what it means) but only 1300 up in here in this room. __? Potential." Not clear if he meant there are more potentitial "students" from his organization than just the ones in that room.

    Farrakhan also stated he was taking this year's Savior's Day Gift and reinvesting it in his people. Saviour's Day Gifts, as far as I can see, are fundraised donations.
    So wondering if this means he's using these donations to pay for the scn classes, which seem to be now set up to take place in a mosque, or many mosques.
  11. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Even the American Nazi Party pales in comparison to the Nation of Islam as far as racism goes...
  12. Triumph Member

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    cache version ..original seems to be gone


    from the Blog of Reuben Muhammad
    Through the Eyes of a Student

    Reuben Muhammad also has a LinkedIn page where he lists himself as Case Supervisor for Alfreddie Johnsons World Literacy Crusade from 2005-2007
  13. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Centers (mosques) in Chicago, IL(headquarters), Washington, DC, New York, NY, Atlanta, GA, Houston, TX, Miami, FL, Los Angeles, CA, Toronto, Montreal, Canada,
    Paris, France.
  14. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Also, Philalelphia, Pennsylvania.
    info on Wash, DC (would be interesting to see if any "stars" of certain DC videos show up there)

    Muhammad Mosque No. 4
    Mid Atlantic Regional Headquarters for The Nation of Islam

    Student Minister Abdul Khadir Muhammad
    Muhammad Mosque #4
    3160 Pennsylvania Ave. SE
    Washington, DC
  15. subgenius Member

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    This will not end well.
  16. Anonymous Member

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    So, Farrakhan has a &quot;target goal&quot; of 50,000 course starts.

    He's using his followers donation $ (&quot;gifts&quot;) to pay for it.

    Sure would be interesting to know how much $$. At least there'd be the usual Book 1 or some sort of Dianetics Seminars, maybe study courses to start. Wonder if the required books and accessories will be paid for too. Can't imagine crush regging allowed, lol. That would be dangerously insane. oh, wait.

    And anyone who refuses Farrakhan's orders can't hold a &quot;post&quot; or ministry.

  17. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Ebony Awakenings (Scientology front group) organized latest event
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  18. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Ebony Awakenings? Ivory Pride?

    RE NOI and COS - I must say, it is most disturbing that a respectable group of people are identifying with a nut job cult of supremacists. Either way.
  19. Triumph Member

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  20. subgenius Member

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    Funniest post of the month.

    Edited to add:
    I'll be laughing in my sleep over that one. For real.
  21. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    OK. Can someone(s) put a summary post together with all the related dox, evidence of this relationship? Maybe get it up on the wiki?

    This is media worthy, and I'm happy to open up the harpoons (as should others), but it would be helpful to have this information organized. Sorry that I don't have the time for that.

    Exposing the relationship between NoI and CoS will get headlines. Be sure of that. And not good ones. Hubbard and Farrakhan. It will scare the shit out of some people. Including me.
  22. Triumph Member

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    Ebony Awaknings held an event at Ft Harrison on July 18th-21st 2010

    Minister Tony Muhammad is in the camel colored jacket w/ regular tie

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  23. subgenius Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    thanks triumph
  24. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    You can bet sci's (still in) who are boasting about NOI on board are unaware that Farrakhan has ordered his followers to to take these classes, at least any who still want to hold a position organizationally.

    For the record, this is Illegal as hell in sci policy, a thing called PTS Types A to J. One type is doing sci under someone else's determinism (as in being ordered to take a course). This is a Big Deal.

    Might also fall under the type of "open minded". potential trouble, indeedy.

    Also one of these types is those with a criminal record. Farrakhan makes a sly mention about this, with a lulzy double entendre about "charge over one's head". It sounded like he was saying if any of his followers have major criminal records, don't bother showing up for course, but if it's minor, maybe you'll get in.
    Not his words, my interpretation of what he was saying.

    HCOPL: Policies on Physical Healing, Insanity and Sources of Trouble : Suppressive Person Defense League
  25. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Farrakhan's Aug 22 Sermon where at the end he orders his followers to do the classes, starting Aug 24 is real media attention fodder. However, while it's obvious to me that it is sci courses, will need irrefutable evidence that this is so, and then harpoon away.
  26. Skeptic1337 Member

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    You know what's fascinating. I mean truly fascinating. The whole donation bit.

    Scientology courses are tax exempt / write off capable because it's their donation system. Is it possible to not donate and still get a scientology course?

    Any ways is there a double tax loop hole being exploited here. Church donation NOI write off then forwarded to the CoS for more write off which in turn could "kick back" some of that in an infinite loop of zero taxes for every one! That my friends is what I'd guess is going on here :)

    It's always about the money.

    Yes my tinfoil hat is green!
  27. Anonymous Member

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    I agree that this should be highly newsworthy.

    This threat that compels NOI personnel to become a Scientology victim, and that's what the threat is, is a ghastly abuse of human rights.

    It's similar style of compulsion to the forced abortions in the Sea Org - you don't have to do it, but if you don't, goodbye.
  28. Anonymous Member

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    Yep, that's kind of what I meant but wasn't clear. What we have now is good, but not definitive enough to go to the media with yet.

    bluebell's video helps also, but is not definitive either. Maybe something will leak from the meetings tomorrow?

    Let's hope. Once we have it down cold and hard, it will be news.
  29. Anonymous Member

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    I would be surprised if there were not a deal organized here. A deal financially favorable to either or both the controllers of NOI and COS, at the expense of the victims.
  30. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Oh, hell no. The "charity" thing is only a cloak. They'll ignore it every time it would cost them money.
  31. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    "What you doin hat?"
  32. Jeff Jacobsen Member

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    But did Hubbard get Louis? "The number of engrams in a Zulu would be astonishing. Moved out of his restimulative area and taught English he would escape the penalty of much of his reactive data; but in his native habitat the Zulu is only outside the bars of a madhouse because there are no madhouses provided by his tribe." (Dianetics, Book 2, Chapter 8, paragragh 9)
  33. Triumph Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

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  34. incog712 Member

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    Well, I'm not a scientologist but [/irony] while this may indeed be a big enough deal to keep these people off of the bridge, they don't appear to be headed in that direction anyway, at least not wittingly.

    WISE business owners have been conscripting their staff into taking dianetics related courses for decades. Their cash is just as green as that of any OT. There are always plenty of workarounds at the registrars desk.

    About the only thing different here is the scale. A guy like Farrakhan pushing what's left of his organization into er.... cough... "secular dianetics" has got to be considered one hell of a win by the cult. That's probably more walk-in's than the last two years of commercial advertising managed to collect and it's costing them no more than whatever it takes to keep Farrakahns ego stroked.
  35. subgenius Member

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    I like where this thread is going.
  36. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Yes it's possible to get training in sci without donating $. Training reward games always going on, FSM's, staff, for getting other schmucks to pay. Processing/auditing no way, Ever. But remember, there's a mountain of books to buy too.

    Have no idea just how much the NOI treasure chest holds. But let's say Farrakhan got "regged" for a big chunk. He then could act as FSM of anyone he got started on courses or auditing, and he would get a $ commission %, plus in some instance, win "training awards" which he could transfer to someone else.
    His FSM monetary commission I believe would be tax deductible as well.
    He could "select" all 50,000 starts of whatever too for whatever introductory crap. And any time they pay for further crap, he gets a commission. It's a very lucrative game for FSM's, and all tax deductible.

    Tax loop angle is interesting, one for the tax experts, but then again, depends on those "special" IRS arrangements. There's another point to this though. Farrakhan said "He wants 50,000" (to start courses) speaking of someone other than Farrakhan. He didn't say who. Hell, wouldn't that about double the number of sci's, period?

    Will say it again though. If current scientologists knew that Farrakhan has ordered followers do it or else (they lose their organizational jobs or their ministries) and DM has approved it, this would be yet just another very huge wtf alarm going off in their (sci's) well-shielded brains, as it's major illegal sci policy.
  37. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    just leaving this here:


    (no matter what "flavor")

    That is all.
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  39. Triumph Member

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    "Farrakhan in L.A"
    Written by Sentinel News Service, on 05-10-2010 02:44

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    Written by Sentinel News Service , on 05-02-2010 22:28

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  40. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan

    Hubbard on Islam.

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