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[Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

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  1. Anonymous Member

    [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    tl;dr
    Marty says that the rumour that Hubbard wrote OT levels above OT8 was a fabrication by Pat Broeker to "keep the masses from revolting" after Hubbard's death.
    Although Hubbard never wrote any OT9 or OT10 level, CoS is currently sending emails to its "OT ambassador" members ordering them to raise $1,200,000 for the IAS in 2 weeks, with the reasoning that "the planet must be kept here" at least until levels OT9 and OT10 are released, because "the faintest chance that the planet has lies in the upper OT levels".


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  2. RightOn Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    not surprised one iota
  3. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Perhaps Scientology is folding faster than we realise, Miscavige is under threat and wants a few millions he can hide away.

    Ratbun was involved with irregularities himself before he left the CO$, we don't know if he was responsible for his actions or if he was sleep deprived and brainwashed. Certainly [strike]rattie[/strike] Ratbun knows how financial irregularities work in Scientology.
  4. Anonymous Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    So if OT9 and OT10 are the "faintest chance" that Teegeeack has to survive... what's in OT11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 as per the chart?

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  5. Soljenitsyne Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    I'm not sure. The fact that he wants more money doesn't mean that he's getting poor.
    Maybe he's just getting crazier and crazier.
    Or maybe he's losing some of his power and that new fundraising is a way for him to cement his personal authority at the top of the pyramid. Don't forget that, in the CoS, money is the ultimate sign of power.
    I hope he desperately needs that money. But i'm not sure. Mao didn't need to kill people : he needed to show that he could kill people, which is different.
    You are the specialists. I'm just trying to understand.
  6. anoninoob Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Get ready for massive fundraising to the $ci's already tired of the late night calls.

    Cult footbulled once again.
  7. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    W. C. Fields was a master of L. Ron Hubbard's Brand of Ethics and didn't even know it when he said ...

    "It's immoral to allow a sucker to keep his money"
  8. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Soljenitsyne's speculations are all reasonable and possible I feel. We just don't know in detail what's going on at the top of Scientology, we must rely on informants like Mike Rinder with out of date material.
  9. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!


    He's going down the same road to insanity as L. Ron Hubbard, Captain Bill Robertson Heber Jentzsch, George Baillie, Celebrity Theta Clear Charles Manson ... and many many others who lost their minds chasing the imaginary disembodied space aliens that they believe are running around in their head.

    [IMG]
  10. Anonymous Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Oh lawyerfags! Why, o' why, o' why is it not mail fraud in the U.S. to collect money for something one knows does not exist?! What would we need to show to get such scammers shut down with either criminal or civil charges?!

    How does this sham persist!?! Shed the scales from thy eyes!
  11. eddieVroom Member

  12. Soljenitsyne Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Yes. DM is the victim of LRH's ideology. Certainly the richest victim, the most powerful victim, the cruelest victim, certainly, but a victim. I agree with you when you compare him to Manson.
    Manson didn't decide to become what is he is on that short video. He's like possessed. Which doen't make him an innocent, of course. Manson is guilty because he lets the devils in his head lead him through the unending night. Miscavige is guilty too, for the same reason. Those guys don't try to resist the temptation of absurdity, emptiness and power. But they're victims, metaphysically at least.
    Above every scientologist, there is Miscavige. Above Miscavige, there is Scientology. Even if he doesn't believe in the dogm, he has to believe in his the power of the dogm, which is enough to lose his mind.
    Maybe he just needs more money because he feels the need to destroy more money ; he can't enjoy his life ; he's affectively frigid, psychologically empty, existentially meaningless. The only thing he can do is to take a revenge on reality, by creating more fiction.
    Ideological brains are made of paradoxes. We can never sum them up in one word.
    Miscavige is a crowned zombi. A mediocre mystery.

    (Can you hear me, David ? Have you ever red about redemption ? Everybody has a the right to a second chance, you know. Your parents were scientologists and they made you join the Sea Org when you were 16 years old. They committed that crime, David. Yes, it was a crime, and you were, you are, their victim. So, why don't you take a revenge on them ? Why don't you dissolve the whole Cult and save your soul in extremis ? Yes, you have the right to a second chance : exorcise the ghost of your parents, exorcise the ghost of LRH, and you can still be saved. David ? Can you hear me ? Would you please stop saluting that dog and think for a moment ? Please.)
  13. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    OP You are wrong.

    I have done OT X myself so i know it exists. It's ok. I think it says something like "I'm dead now you fools, you have lost the game" Things really get interesting around OT 27 when you learn xenu mocked up L R Hubbard as an intergalactic joke on docile humans that would believe anything. Just a warning if you read this you could die of pneumonia so be careful about thinking about it too much.
  14. Sponge Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    OT X is real.
    Warning though, If you read it before you are ready then you will eat your own head.
    [SPOILER] otxch0.jpg [/SPOILER]
  15. EyeOnSci Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    The blind leading the blind.

    The cult has many billions of dollars of worth, still, worldwide.

    See MR express his indoctrination.

    See DM follow the tech and exercise his powah over the minions and their monez.
  16. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    OT IX has been delivered

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  17. Soljenitsyne Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    What happens if OT IX is released ? Nothing interesting.
    What happens if it's not ? Nothing interesting.

    Nothing can change the dogm, because it has no existence.
    Nothing can make it more absurd. Nothing can make it less absurd.
    When the aim of power is absurdity, every victory is a fall.
  18. Anonymous Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    "he can't enjoy his life ; he's affectively frigid, psychologically empty, existentially meaningless. The only thing he can do is to take a revenge on reality, by creating more fiction."

    Some important thoughts. Can you imagine living in a world you created, where you can trust no one, must travel with bodyguards, can't even trust the folks in your sekrit bases?

    A lonely, piss-poor excuse for a man
  19. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    The only thing Scientology produces is people dependent on Scientology ... Audit Junkies


    Or if you get into too deep and start believing the science fiction, you end up with this

    http://www.galac-patra.org/sector9.html
  20. Soljenitsyne Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    The only thing nothingness produces is nothingness junkies.
    The eternal return of the living dead Quantum.
  21. Smurf Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    So, is Marty denying that his beloved Messiah LRH is on Target 2 continuing the tech and writing the upper levels??
  22. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    He probably believes he is talking to Hubbard's spaceship, just like every other whack job and his brother in the Freezone.
  23. Soljenitsyne Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    David Miscavige is just the most expensive nothingness dealer on Teegeeack.
  24. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Oh big surprise.

    Poor Culties who are scammed every day of their lives are being scammed some more. Anybody really surprised there is nothing at the top of the bridge to nowhere. Give us another couple of mill to keep it going. How can they not see through this?
  25. Soljenitsyne Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Is it something new in the history of the Cult ? Isn't it one of their habits, to say "We need much more money, and it's now or never" ? Can you see a difference with the way they use to raise new funds ? Is there an unusual smell of emergency, this time ?
    I don't know. I'm just asking.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtFN6YQOhj0[/ame]
  26. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Cool brainwash tech + choose the retards and losers tech & takes the money.

    Sometimes I wish I had thought of it...
  27. basil Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    I wonder whether any of them realise that most of their "donations" go towards silencing critics?

    Do any other religions of any sort spend millions and millions of dollars on legal work, or even a fraction of it, to attack or defend?

    Is Scientology so fragile that it can't stand criticism?

    Do Scientologists ever ask themselves this? Or are they conditioned not to even think about it?
  28. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Its exactly the same. This seems maybe a little more vague but its business as usual.

    I guess I am having a hard time understanding how they can sit there, without a cent to their name, swimming in debt while some clown from the CULT rings them day and night to request another million or two URGENTLY - and not realise what is going on. Would you trust your eternal salvation to an organisation who is doing this?
  29. Soljenitsyne Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Thank you. It's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.

    NO.
    I'm a catholic. And not once in my whole life have a priest asked me for money.
    I give, sometimes, rarely, when I feel like giving, once a year or so. And I don't give a lot. 50 Euros maximum.
    It's very important to me : to be sure that the relationship between them and me is never, never, never a question of money.

    (And I love your name. It's the perfect definition of Anonymous.)
  30. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Thanks. I felt I needed a moniker that highlighted Miscaviges failure at everything. Another great scheme of his that has failed, if you will. His "Golden Age" (A name most likely gleaned from his obsession with all things Hollywood) has turned into ours. Beautiful isn't it.
  31. Anonymous Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Well, the comments of the article show that some indies were indeed surprised and shocked about the revelation that OT9 and 10 don't exist.
  32. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Cheers,I didnt get over there to read them.

    Is it the shock of finding out your lifes work is a sham?
  33. Anonymous Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    It might be a first step for them to wake up.
    What's interesting is that OT8 was considered to be the first "real" OT level, whereas OT1-7 are merely pre-OT levels.
    It was the rationalisation given by the cult for the fact that no OT had ever exhibited any real OT "powers". OT9-15 were supposed to handle this and give them the real juicy supernatural kind of superpowers.
  34. Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    WOW. And now Marty announces it doenst even exist. That is pretty shattering - just needs the people still in to believe it.
  35. exOT8Michael Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    LOL @ no OT9 and OT10.

    THOUSANDS of people have PAID FOR these levels, at leats $10,000 and as much as $17,000.


    Scientology/Hubbard "Senior Policy" (the fake facade) "We always deliver what we promise"

    Scientology's REAL Senior Policy "We promise but fail to deliver, and we don't care. If you have a complaint it is your fault, so FOAD."
  36. RolandRB Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    Poor clams. You've given all your money to create an OT civilisation. Your given all your time for this goal. You've given the best years of your life for it. You have devoted every ounce of your Being to achieve Ron's dream of a Clear world and an OT civilisation.

    the trouble is.........

    OT VIII does not make OTs --- only baby OTs........

    and there is nothing beyond that.

    So no OT Powerz.

    Not ever.

    You've sacrificed your lives for nothing.

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  37. deirdre Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    How many people still in are starting to wonder if they exist, do you think?

    I know I wondered about OT VIII existing and then it was released, but that was before I left, and I left in the 80s.

    Waiting is so low on the tone scale.

    Personally, I don't care if they exist or not. It's of course lulzier if they don't.
  38. RolandRB Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    It would make a very enturbulating picket sign. :)
  39. anonohio Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    there are also no real OT levels 1-8
  40. Rockyj Member

    Re: [Marty] There are no OT IX and OT X levels!

    No we can't imagine because MOST humans know the difference between right & wrong & most humans would never do the things this cult does to their own members & fellow human beings.
    I don't believe psychopaths feel emotions like emptiness or "existentially meaningless". Or feel any emotions that aren't related to themselves.
    When they do show sorrow its never about the person (s) they've harmed its sorrow for themselves.
    They don't have a clue or can ever understand compassion or empathy so they become expert actors @ faking these emotions.

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