Marty wrote the Foreword to Blown for Good

Marty wrote the Foreword to Blown for Good

Not having gotten a copy of Blown for Good yet, I didn't realize that Mark "Marty" Rathbun wrote the foreward for the book. As Marty explains on his blog:

I find it interesting, and significant, that it appears from reading the comments that many people who like and support Marty are going to buy and read Marc's book.

I also find the comments to Marty's post to be interesting. As would be expected, much defending of LRH and the Tech, blaming DM for everything, etc., but also real sympathy or at least empathy for what Marc and other Sea Orgers went through.

One comment I found particularly interesting is:

I've certainly seen the complaint that Sea Orgers didn't even get the auditing they bargained for. [Which I'm sure many Anon and ex Sea Orgers in retrospect believe wound up being a very good thing. These was less brain washing and Mind Fuck to undo after one left.] What I'm finding interesting is the increasing belief among some ex-COS and ex- SO is that the auditing and training they received was qualitatively different than what prior generations received, or what they should have received.

Finally, the foreward:

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Is that like a foreword?

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I find that interesting. 8500, and dwindling for the last few years.

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I find it interesting that Sea Org makes up anywhere between 8.5% to 17% of the estimated amount of Scientologist.

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I couldn't figure out why Marc had Marty write the forward for his book. Marty basically just blathers about how wonderful he (Marty) is and how wonderful the tech is and how he disagrees with what Marc has to say about the tech.

I couldn't zip through it fast enough.

I could think of a number of true critics that would have been happy to write the forward and would have done a better job. But hey, it's his book.

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I think it's pretty important for folks to know that even Scientologists are reading these stories. It may encourage more indoctrinated Scientologists to do the same. It's also 2 cents from a different viewpoint, but with somewhat of the same goal in mind. I guess you could say it gives the book a bit more variety, for lack of a better word.

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I think it was an awesome strategy on Marc's behalf... Marty and the indie scilons seem to hold the most appeal for public scilons that are becoming disenchanted with the mother church.

What better way to turn that disenchantment to total disgust than exposing them to true horrors experienced by exkids.

so here's hoping marty spreads the BFG book far & wide and inadvertently adds more taint to the freezone kool aid!

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So basically Anonymous pulled together more people in a couple of weeks when this all started than the Sea org had in 2004? Wow.

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I agree with Relyt. I think that Marc is trying to reach Scientologists and help get them out of the Church of Scientology. Marc probably believed that the best available person to help him do that was Marty. I do not think that belief was unreasonable.

It may work something like this. Scientologists who are in the COS who would normally never read a book by Marc. But a (perhaps exceedingly) small subset knew, knew of, liked and/or respected Marty, and recognize his name, and Marty's foreward may be enough to convince them to give the book a chance.

My take is that while Marc wants to warn the public about Scientology, and keep people from being sucked into the Church of Scientology, he also wants to hep the people who are already in the COS. Marty may help him achieve the latter goal.

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I have a swell idea, lets ask Marc.
Hey Marc why did you have Marty write the forward for your book?

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I found this very encouraging, and had not seen it before. To see critics and believers able to have civil conversations (the way a priest, a rabbi and an atheist might, at an academic conference) is awesome. It will add much credibility to the 'independent scientology' movement (I still think hubbard was full of shit, but I think the bible is too, so whatevs).

This sort of dialog, with mutual respect and acknowledgement of human dignity, is a huge step towards rehumanizing eachother.

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This ^^ When I started reading it I thought OMG WHAT!!! Then it hit me, I am not the market for the book. He needs to reach public Scilons in the US in particular to help them think. He mentions stuff about squirreling the tech later in the book. Also, the idea that the CDs they get are made by slave labour, is enough to make the Scilons think (I hope).

Lets see 8500 and Headley says there are 10,000 Scilons now. Is Martin lying? We know he's not telling the whole truth....

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Yeah. At first I was like

but then I was like

It could be a shrewd move.

Marty's still an unrepentant criminal, but if that foreword is even remotely honest, it sounds like some of "the rest of the story" of what he did and how it hurt people is finally starting to seep in.

He has a lot of crime to atone/repent for. It can't be a nice place to be. If he weren't trying so hard to mislead people even now, I'd consider feeling sympathy for him, but he still hasn't STFU.



And now over to Kha Khan for a little trolling. (He's not very good at it, so be Yentl.)

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I suspect that some will be unhappy with the idea of humanizing Scientologists. After all, aren't Scientologists just pathetic fools and dupes who pretty much deserve what they get?

Isn't it just Darwinianism in action if somebody voluntarily joins the COS (as opposed to being the spouse or child of someone who does), and his life is destroyed as result? Isn't it just a matter of culling the herd?

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DOX on that percentage?

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lmao

Excellent point.

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Not if they have children. Also evolution takes many, many generations and isn't an individual thing. As I understand it, it has a lot more to do with the genes that are in the overall gene pool, rather than an individuals genes. Also, our 'environment' is changing so much that it might be the case that we are more likely to see universal evolutionary pressure in the direction of resistance to the artificial chemical environment we have created in the last 60-70 years. Other more realistic concerns about human evolution are the genetic degradation due to the cumulative effect over many generations of women having children with their 30 year old eggs instead of their 20 years old eggs.

If you look at the ridiculous belief that Africans are better athletes, you ignore the fact that most swimmers are white, many gymnasts are eastern, and that heavy weightlifters are often from around Poland and thereabouts.

To take the example of sickle-cell anemia: is the product of a resistance to malaria and is a positive overall gene in areas where malaria is common. With global warming, this gene could be increasingly more useful across the globe. However, if we come up with a cure for malaria, it is irrelevant.

Evolution is not an excuse to say fuck stupid people. It is more complex than your argument (and mine for that matter).

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I agree that evolution is not an excuse to say fuck stupid people.

My post to which you replied was intended to be sarcastic, and to point out that there are those who would use evolution as an excuse to say fuck stupid people. I'm not one of them.

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Were Headly and Rathburn in communication prior to Rathburn's SP Times interview? When did they first contact eachother?

I've no right to this information, of course, and it wouldn't serve any purpose. I'm just a curious soul.

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I heard that mark headly and rathburn engaged in vile sexual acts with three golden retriever puppies- so they go way back. This is hardly surprising. By the way I'm dead agenting here.

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(ಠ_ృ) Riveting tale, chap!

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hahaha I lol'd

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You've been assigned the Condition of Vile Humor... report to Ethics.

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Having Marty, a former top executive in the cult, provide the foreword was an excellent choice. It gives the book added integrity.

Regardless of what you think of Marty, he was a top exec under the COB for many years.

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You have been assigned the Condition of niggerbaby. Report to this dick!

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Stop me if you have heard this before, but I have a swell idea, lets ask Marc.

Hey Marc why did you have Marty write the forward of your book?

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When did Scilon auditors start wearing strap-ons?

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I have a swell idea. Why don't you PM him?

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And that's different from what you normally do in what way?

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Rathbun's attitude is typical of a sociopath.


"Gee, I didn't realize that other people minded eating all the sh** I was a huge part of making them eat.

I didn't mind it at all. (Them eating sh**, that is.)"


Well, of course not sociopath Marty, you weren't having the same experiences that you forced on so many others.

It's the same sickening way with the $cilon celebrities. They get treated like gold and couldn't care less what happens to anyone else.


Waaaaay past pathetic.





Still...probably a good play on the part of BFG to have him write the forward, though.

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Instead of everyone speculating on why Marc had Marty write the forward for his book I thought maybe it might be better to hear it from him. It's not like Marc doesn't read the posts here or comment on them.

Now was that to hard to understand?

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I agree.

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QFT

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There are several different types of people that might read my book.

A few of these groups might get something out of reading it.

1. Scientologists
2. Ex-Scientologists
3. Non-Scientologists that protest against the Scientology Organization
4. People who know nothing about Scientology but might get involved.

My book is NOT about Scientology the philosophy. While I do make certain mentions of it in the book, that is not the main focus of the book. The book is about what happened to me while I worked there and how myself and other staff were treated. While this may or may not reflect upon the philosophy side of things, it mainly lands on the management of the scientology organization - David Miscavige.

Marty Rathbun is about the only person that I know that was not only present at the Int Base for most of the events that took place in the book, but he also had knowledge of particulars that other base staff were clueless about.

Marty also has the added benefit of being known by most of the Scientology celebrities and Scientology members.

I was audited by Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise was audited by Marty.

In the foreword, Marty clearly states that while he disagrees with my opinions on some things he cannot disagree with my accounts of what happened.

While at the Int Base for 15 years I was not best buddies with Marty Rathbun. Marty punched me in the face once at the Int Base while I was being interrogated on the E-Meter by another RTC staff member . (He has since apologized). Once we went toe to toe fighting for a chair and I threw him to the ground during the musical chairs incident and screwed up his back badly. (I also have since apologized.)

So, asking Marty to write the foreword was my way of reaching a lot more people than I otherwise would have if anyone else had done it. It also has HUGE ramifications.

I think David Miscavige has two known forms of kryptonite that affect him.

Marty Rathbun and Anonymous. Not necessarily always in that order. Marty Rathbun exposes David Miscavige and his crimes to people that still subscribe to the Scientology philosophy. Anonymous exposes David Miscavige to everyone else. Sometimes they may cross over. In the end this is all about one thing - MONEY. Marty is killing Dave's internal income from current members and Anonymous has choked off most if not all of the new people coming in. The place is falling apart. When I was at Golden Era, if only 500 people showed up for an opening event for a new org, it would have been the flap of the century. 500 staff and a few public showed up for DC and they brought them in with buses! If you don't think that speaks volumes, then you have not been following this too closely.


I am trying to let other people know what I went through to end up where I am. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't. Maybe some people disagree with what I am doing or how I am doing it. That will be the case no matter what I do and no matter how I do it.

I don't post for awhile and get "What happened to BFG?"

I post a lot and all of a sudden I am an egofag!

I have exposed the crimes in every way I have found possible. I am suing Scientology for breaking the law. I have contacted law enforcement and have provided any and all information that I thought would be useful and now I have written a book exposing corruption, illegal activities and just plain evil abuse that I was witness to.

I did not have to do any of this. I could have walked away like so many others have done in the past. I could have just started my life over and not dealt with any of this bullshit. I feel it is my duty to expose the crimes and inhumanity that take place each day behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.

I have done all this while making every effort to keep my family safe and make a living.

So I hope that helps explain my thinking on this.

Until next time...
BFG

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I thought (and speculated here) that was your reason. I think having Marty write the foreword is very effective.

You were very brave to come forward. I'm not sure that people who weren't in -- much less in at Int (which I wasn't) -- can understand how brave. Moreover, unlike many (though of course not all) of the people who were in, came out and spoke publicly, you have been very effective.

And you are certainly not an egofag.

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I'm fully aware of that, still 8500 sea org is a drop in the bucket compared to what they officially claim. And if you want to go by that math, even if you want to say they're 20%, that still puts their total numbers around like 40,000, and that was 2004 mind you, before all these mass defections have been popping up. I mean, there was even a lot of defection before chanology started.

As for BFG, always awesome job dude. I havent got my hands on a copy of the book, but i definitely plan to check it out. I wouldnt worry to much what the fags on here say, seems like they bitch about anything they possibly can anymore.

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I'm openly admiting it?



I also have a question to ask about that marty or mike or whatever dude writing the foreward: who the fuck cares?

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Marc Headley is an extremely shrewd man, and should not be underestimated, He's always a man of real integrity, and that makes for a dangerous combination.

Whilst I can't speak for him...jeez I don't even know the guy...I suspect that the reason for allowing Marty to write the forward had multiple strings, including, but not exclusive to:

(a) Marc is counting on Marty appearing as a key witness is his lawsuit. Ensuring that they have an amicable relationship is going to be key.

(b) As stated already, by having Marty write the forward, many people who would otherwise never consider reading the book are now much morel likely too.

(c) Marty needs the critics to be relatively on side, and I suspect that there was a bit of "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours". There are many examples of this: a couple that stick out in my own mind are Marc's promotion of Scientology−Cult,com when it first launched, or his attempts to diffuse the (IMO misguided criticism) of Jason Beghe allowing his photo to be used as "promotion" on Marty's site ("a big FU to Anon?!?!?!"), when the reality was that it was a big FU, but one that was almost certainly aimed directly at David Miscagive. [2 of DM's SP's numero uno standing united, even though their beliefs differ so widely apart). That will have definitely "resonated." I could go on, but you get the jist

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It has more to do with self promotion.

Having said that, you aren't Anonymous. So who ever is bitching about you being an "egofag" is an idiot and absolutely clueless.

Carry on, so on so forth. Shit if the only place you're "promoting" is wwp chances are your book won't even get scanned so we can torrent it up and save some of the [strike]college students[/strike] poor anons some cash.

You're a bigger man then I am to forgive an obvious douche like Rathbun.

edit: and ffs don't fall for obvious troll bait. Some douche calling you an egofag? it's like 3/10

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BFG, I hope your book sells really well because:

1. I think you are doing a service to the public and to Scientologists.
2. I like your writing, and I'd like other people to enjoy it and spread the word. You have both given me lulz galore and the pleasure of having my moral indignation at the cult exercised.
3. I admire your efforts and I think you deserve to do well with the book.

You are welcome to use this endorsement, as long as you spell my name correctly.

Also, for balance, and for credibility, I would like to say GTFO, DIAF etc, etc (these are just anonymous courtesy salutations now)