Re: Marty's making "real, live OTs" You know I suspect that most people can be helped to some degree just by having someone with whom to speak. Or even by a walk in the woods or such to make them feel better. They then can give raving "success stories". Good for them. But to me the real danger of scientology/dianetics "tech" is that it was written by someone completely incompetent in the general subject area and thus administered by others thus equally incompetent. So...when you run across someone who really does need some serious help you can cause serious problems, even death. Ask the families of the likes of Lisa McP. and those who have committed suicide after scientology "tech/ethics" handlings for their views on this subject. As for myself I have directly experienced this in at least two ways: 1. seeing someone die right before me as I too late tried to give him mouth to mouth resesitation, in part because of incompetently trained scientology advanced "auditors" and "ethics counsellers" handling instead of competent medical professionals: Operation Clambake Message Board • View topic - Cruise says only scientologists can handle emergencies 2. I have had and still regularly have a number of "sessions" with a highly professional and licensed therapist (a psychologist and PHD in the subject). I have had to strip through 28 years of scientology bullshit including "raising above my problems" instead of embracing them and dealing with them and much worse things because of dangerous "tech" that was used on me and many others and that to this day is embraced as "wonderful tech" by those out and still practicing it (including just recently announced "blows"). It AMAZES me just how much I have been hurt by incompetent "therapy" as I never considered myself a weak person. Still, it was my choice and something with which I must deal. That's my view on it anyway. I think "the tech" is very potentially dangerous for many upon whom it is or will be used. While some may feel "helped", dangerous tech is still dangerous and can hurt many as it has done to countless others over the decades.