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Mexico: Scientology denied religious recognition

Discussion in 'Media' started by mnql1, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. Anonymous Member

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  2. mnql1 Member

    On January 8, 2013, Roberto Blancarte, a professor at the Center of Sociological Studies at El Colegio de México published a pro-cult op-ed article about the rejection of Scientology's application for registration as a religious association in Mexico. The name of the "poor young man" mentioned near the end is Alexander Spatz, a Scientologist who was convicted of human trafficking in August 2011 and sentenced to six years in prison.

    Translation of a Spanish op-ed article posted on January 8, 2013 on the website of Milenio:
    Cuando el gobierno se vuelve discriminador
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  3. Anonymous Member


    Except for the reference to the "poor young man" it's a pretty standard statement on freedom of religion. The twisted belief/ lack of research on the "poor young man's" crimes kinda blows the argument out of the water. He is either searching for grant money or slapping something together for publishing instead of perishing. He needs to be better informed about the poor young man's crimes.
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  4. Thanks, mnql1

    This bit here -

    seems to be where professor Blancarte's moral compass has gone slightly wonky.

    Where in his piece does he mention the mountain of evidence that Scientologists have affected others' rights (take the word of more than 2000 exes on that) or compromised public order (eg by infiltrating government departments)?

    Without any such references, this is at its best empty rhetoric, or the ignorant musings of a rent-a-gob.

    Curious that Roberto's researches at El Colegio de México appear not to have included googling Scientology.
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  5. Anonymous Member

    The "professor" should be stripped of his job for either academic dishonesty, or gross incompetence.

    An open letter to his chair, his dean, the university president, the school paper, his funding agency, and the minister of education, pointing out this "professor"'s failure to take into account the mountain of evidence that demonstrates the Scientology corporation's criminal convictions, and abuses should be enough to demonstrate that he is either completely incompetent at his job, or is corrupt.
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  6. Roberto is a legitimate professor - a Google Translate version of his Wikipedia entry is

    Here
  7. jensting Member

    Yay! And Yay again!!

    And thanks for all the translations
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  8. CarterUSP Member

    Happy 2013 all.
    It's starting well.
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  9. wolfbane Member

    ^^This. Note his biography at Standford is under "Tinker Professors," which means he is on a short-term visiting prof type deal, like a guest professor supplied by a program via the Tinker Foundation. Tinker programs are modeled after an exchange student program except it is the teacher on temporary loan to one of 5 participating universities. Tinker Professors were once the best scholars Latin America had to offer but in recent years it has trotted out a fair number of activists and authors who don't have the prestigious body of work behind their credentials that the program was originally known for.

    More on Tinker Professors here:
    http://www.tinker.org/content/tinker-visiting-professors
    http://www.tinker.org/content/history-foundation

    Tinker Foundation harpoons go here: (from http://www.tinker.org/content/staff )
    Kirsten Cowal, Program Officer ("...and oversees the Tinker Visiting Professorship endowments.")
    (212) 421-6858 x.129
    kcowal@tinker.org

    Harpoons to Stanford who still has him listed as a current Tinker Prof from Fall 2012 semester go here:
    http://las.stanford.edu/

    ^^Since Roberto Blancarte is a Sociologist, the reknown cult expert in Stanford's ranks - Dr. Philip G Zimbardo who was the psychology prof behind the infamous "Stanford Prison Experiment" and former APA president who took a big interest in cults before he moved onto better things - knows all too well how bad Scientology really is and would likely have a problem with this bafoon's op ed.

    Some ammo on Dr. Z:
    http://zimbardo.socialpsychology.org/
    http://www.zimbardo.com/
    http://www.lucifereffect.com/
    http://www.ted.com/speakers/philip_zimbardo.html
    http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studycult/study_zimbar.htm
    http://www.csj.org/infoserv_profile/zimbardo_phillip.htm ("...worked closely with survivors of Peoples Temple and their family members, as well as former members of the Unification Church, Scientology, Synanon, Churches of Christ and other cults.")

    Meanwhile, bak in Mexico... "Roberto J. Blancarte is currently full time professor of Center of Sociological Studies of El Colegio de México and was the Dean from the same Center from January 2006 to March 2012."

    So he was only the Director of the Soc dept. for 6 years before he reverted back to a regular old research professor on the college's academic roster and got involved with the Tinker Foundation program? That's an awfully short time period, especially when you compare the 6page CV of the current director Dr. Alvarado to Blancarte's 90 page manifesto CV where something doesn't seem right but I don't speak Spanish to figure WTF it is.

    El Colegio de México aka "Colmex":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Colegio_de_México
    http://www.colmex.mx/

    Director del Centro de Estudios Sociológicos (Director of the Centre of Sociological Studies: http://ces.colmex.mx/organizacion.html )
    Dr. Arturo Alvarado
    (55) 5449 3000 ext. 3064
    alvarado@colmex.mx

    Alvarado CV: http://ces.colmex.mx/Solo PDF's/CV Arturo Alvarado.pdf
    Blancarte CV: http://ces.colmex.mx/cv/roberto_blancarte_2012.pdf

    ^^I get the feeling that Alvarado wouldn't be an ideal target for poons because something doesn't seem right with him taking over Blancarte's chair last year since Blancarte has far more fanfare and accolades attached to his name than Alvarado does and they tend to get quoted together in media coverage as being in agreement with each other. Sort of looks like Alvardo is just keeping his Director chair warm for him while he does a Tinker roadshow tour.
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  10. wolfbane Member

    From the Excelsior piece in OP:
    From Blancarte's OpEd:
    Blancarte glossed over the fact that this is technically the third attempt that was filed in February 2012. Scientology voluntarily withdrew it's second application filed in December 2011 due to all the questions it raised. As explained in the two articles mnql1 previously translated here:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/...applying-for-registration-as-a-church.100553/

    ^^LOL, wheels.

    So this quote in Blancarte's recent op ed also doesn't fly:
    There was no foot-dragging. Wheel dragging - yes. Foot dragging, har har. The application was so fking huge in order to overcome all the issues raised that caused the last application to be withdrawn shortly after it was filed, they had to put it on wheels to cart it over. And as Blancarte pointed out originally, there was NO time limit for Secretariat to decide so he can GTFO with his "foot dragging" bawl.

    The real problem seems to be that Blancarte totally sucked as their adviser: 14 years, a 2nd filing that got retracted right away, a fkton of dox that needed wheels to finally get it submitted, over 9months to review that fkton of dox, multiple meetings with authorities before submission to find out what needed addressed, and they still FAILED to get it right.

    Also, kind of funny he had to write his own op ed this time around. Seems like nobody called him for a sound bite.

    I hope Blancarte's checks from the cult to act as their adviser were big and fat. At least that way the rotten egg on his face will taste sweeter. Unless of course he had one last commission coming his way for a positive decision. That might explain why he popped off such a scathing op ed rather than keeping his head down when the news broke.
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  11. -Freeman- Member

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  12. Sonichu Moderator

    Pretty soon we're gonna need a forum for, "Clearing the Planet" a place to put articles about who has expunged the Scis.
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  13. DamOTclese Member

    So what are the direct consequences of this? The crime syndicate can't claim tax exemption and still have to pay taxes as they commit their financial crimes?
  14. mnql1 Member

    Translation of a Spanish article posted on June 2, 2013 on the website of the Mexican daily newspaper Excelsior:
    Scientology: no y no…
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  15. Anonymous Member

    The image on page one crashed and burned, so here's a replay.

    hasta la vista faggots.jpg

    Hasta La Vista Cult Faggots!!!

    Also, BIG THANKS to mnql1 for the update! <3
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  16. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Thanks for that Mnql1, hopefully awareness about Hubbard's vampiric mind-fuck continues to spread in the southern climes, and 'GTFO of our country' stops the pillaging of minds and money. Cult is desperate for new blood and slave labour, and will continue to target those who aren't up to speed on its activities, past and present, they'll continue to play the 'religious visa' angle to get folks into the States etc. until caught out, it is just one of the many carrots they seem to use~ fuckerz all!
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  17. mnql1 Member

    Translation of a Spanish article posted on September 23, 2013 on the website of the Mexico City daily newspaper Excelsior:
    Cienciología: nuevo embate…
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  18. anonysamvines Member


    The Federal District is Mexico city yes?

    Have they lost 1500 followers somewhere?

    straight up and vertical stat's

    Good work mnq1 - thanks for keeping us posted
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  19. DeathHamster Member

    Yeah, because no one is allowed to point out that Scientology is a church like a dog is a vegetable, or say anything about government actions.

    "Waaaaah! Someone exercised their free speech and criticized us! No fair!"
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  20. Boris Korczak Member


    It sounds like Mexico has more brains than we here in US have.
    Stay safe.
    BK
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  21. Quentinanon Member

    Add to that list Canada, Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, Austria, Switzerland, Poland.
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  22. Boris Korczak Member


    You are right, but remember, those are only US colonies and they monkey what the boss does.
    (LOL)
    Stay safe.
    BK
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  23. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Who's at cause? WE'RE AT CAUSE!
    Who's at cause? WE'RE AT CAUSE!
    Who's at cause? WE'RE AT CAUSE!
    ALSO, WE HAVE CAKE.
  24. kthnxbai Member

    Short quote from an article by Enrique Aranda:


    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=55900

    Word is getting around.
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  25. kthnxbai Member

    What is more strange than the American influence (not very evident, is it?, come on Boris!) is the patchy nature of the Catholic influence. This seems to be strong in Mexico, weak in Spain and non-existence in Italy and for that matter in the US. Could someone fluent in Italian give the Vatican a bump? It is under new management after all.
  26. The Wrong Guy Member

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    Renovations for Scientology’s planned Mexico City ‘Advanced Org’ halted by local pols

    By Rod Keller, The Underground Bunker, May 2, 2017

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    In 2008 Scientology purchased the vacant Palmas Plaza shopping mall in the tiny Lomas del Olivo neighborhood west of Mexico City. They announced to the Scientology world that it would become the home of AOSH LATAM, the Advanced Org Saint Hill for Latin America, a Sea Org base devoted to delivering some of the upper levels of Scientology. Not an Ideal Org such as the one in central Mexico City, it would be a total renovation to the standard of other Ideal Advanced Orgs and plans to build a private hotel on top of the mall were promoted. But they didn’t let the neighbors in on the plan.

    With a sense of urgency typical for Scientology projects, on December 15, 2016 they received a one year permit to conduct repairs. They didn’t start the renovations until March of this year, when more than 100 workers were hired to create a gleaming white structure, complete with the star and laurel symbol of the Sea Org, about which L. Ron Hubbard wrote, “adopted and used as the symbol of a Galactic Confederation far back in the history of this sector. The laurel wreath represents victory. The five pointed star signifies rising towards the point of origin or source.”

    The neighbors were alarmed by the increase in traffic of construction vehicles, and further alarmed to learn the identity of the property owner. They appealed to elected officials, and on April 28 Mayor Enrique Vargas del Villar, in consultation with Governor Eruviel Avila suspended work on the site, placing banners across all entrances that the work cannot continue as the permit has expired.

    On Sunday the banners were ripped in half, and some neighbors suspect Scientologists of having damaged them. Other possible suspects include the vandals who damaged the Catholic church on the same block earlier last week.

    Continued at http://tonyortega.org/2017/05/02/re...ance-org-in-mexico-city-halted-by-local-pols/
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  27. Quentinanon Member

    Most likely some local scienazis, contemptuous of "mere WOG law", ripped the banners.
    It's interesting that Miscavige want to put an AO in Mexico City. Kind of redundant since Los Angeles is not far away. What's with his attraction to countries heavily involved in high street drug production?
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  28. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Oh wow, scilontology doing it right again...

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    In my opinion scilons have been targeting third world/challenged/impoverished nations for a while, right back to ol' LRon's bid to align himself with South Africa, problem is, they aren't as stupid and gullible as the cult thinks, granted I am sure, cult will buy off whom ever they can, it is their way of nature., thank you internet, a con is a con is a con, and even a long one it eventually gets figured out.... Even by Wogs!

    :p
    .
  29. The Wrong Guy Member

    Even in Mexico, Scientology bullies people with hired muscle — but for now strikes out

    By Rod Keller, The Underground Bunker, May 7, 2017

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    Last week we reported that local officials in the greater Mexico City neighborhood of Lomas del Olivo had shut down renovations being done on Scientology’s new Advanced Org Saint Hill LATAM facility because of an expired permit. This week Scientology played a cat and mouse game with officials as it attempted to continue work despite the ban. The banners announcing the closure that had been torn by unknown parties were taped back together, but trucks and workers continued to use the gates.

    In an interview with news site La Silla Rota entitled “Scientologists have documents in order,” Scientology spokesperson and Sea Org member Jonathan Rico said “I do not see that there is anything wrong, there must be an administrative confusion because we have our papers in order, and if there is anything that needs to be remedied, we will be carrying out the necessary administrative resources and clarifying the confusion.”

    Neighbors questioned officials about the permit status, leading them to issue a statement that renovations were still on hold, and that anybody at the site are not workers, but security guards. The alleged security guards came with trucks, construction materials, tools, and were photographed on the scaffolding on the exterior of the building.

    On Thursday the police visited the site to examine the permits. Valid permits were not presented, and work was stopped for a second time in as many weeks.

    Continued at http://tonyortega.org/2017/05/07/ev...le-with-hired-muscle-but-for-now-strikes-out/
  30. The Wrong Guy Member

    With its Mexico City project halted, Scientology fans out across town to promote its pablum

    By Rod Keller, The Underground Bunker, May 14, 2017

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    Scientology took a break this week from trying to renovate the future Advanced Org in Palmas del Olivo, a neighborhood of Mexico City, without proper permits. Instead they are working to “safepoint” the city and the neighborhoods around the vacant facility.

    Scientology spokesperson Jonathan Rico organized Scientologists to join the neighborhood association De La Mano Hacemos Más, or “United We Do More” in a trash removal and beautification day yesterday. The Las Palmas neighborhood is over 10 Km from the nearest Scientology mission in the city. De La Mano Hacemos Más is not associated with Scientology, but there’s no reason they should refuse volunteers who want to pick up trash.

    Scientology’s purpose, however, is not beautification but to make De La Mano Hacemos Más an ally in their effort to open the Advanced Org. Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard wrote, “The most important action to undertake when going about making a safe point is to carefully and painstakingly find out who exactly are the top dogs in the area in financial and political circles, and their associates and connections, and to what each one is hostile.” In other words, infiltrate and befriend influential people and groups in order to expand Scientology.

    On Tuesday Scientology opened its “Psychiatry — An Industry of Death” traveling exhibit at Universidad Autónoma de la Ciudad de México (UACM), the main public university in Mexico City. The exhibit features gruesome depictions of the history of mental health, and blames psychiatrists for the Holocaust.

    Continued at http://tonyortega.org/2017/05/14/wi...y-fans-out-across-town-to-promote-its-pablum/
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  31. The Wrong Guy Member

    There's a new post in the thread for Rod Keller's updates:

    Scientology may be crumbling, but around the world it’s still plotting a planetary takeover

    By Rod Keller, The Underground Bunker, May 21, 2017

    Quote:

    While work is still stopped on Scientology’s planned “Advanced Org” in Mexico City, that hasn’t stopped the church from preparing its members for an eventual grand opening. A new flier invites locals to a meeting to get a briefing on the project, and, no doubt, to get hit up for donations for it.

    https://whyweprotest.net/threads/rod-keller’s-scientology-social-media-review.131282/#post-2609490
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  33. The Wrong Guy Member

    Church of Scientology building project remains suspended | Mexico News Daily

    Excerpt:

    Work on the site has now been completely halted for over two months, and an unnamed source told the newspaper El Financiero that it will remain so “out of respect to the neighbors” for the time being.

    One group of neighbors told the newspaper that they opposed the project because it ignores the potential environmental impact it could have on the area.

    Neighbors also said it was not known what impact there might be on an already scarce water supply.

    According to the legal representative of a neighborhood group, the suspension issued by the municipality is permanent, but the owners of the property can still appeal the decision.

    “They are looking for ways to continue building there but without the pharaonic dimensions they originally intended; those who will ultimately resolve the issue are the judicial authorities,” said Eugenio Olvera.

    More at http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/scientology-project-remains-suspended/
  34. The Wrong Guy Member

    Mexico officially recognizes Scientology as a religion, Miscavige claims at New Year’s event

    By Tony Ortega, December 17, 2017

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    Last night, the Church of Scientology held its annual New Year’s event at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles so that video of the proceedings can be shown in Scientology churches around the world on December 31.

    As usual, the event largely consisted of Scientology leader David Miscavige giving a lengthy address, and during that speech he made one really surprising claim: Miscavige said that Mexico officially recognized the religious status of the Church of Scientology in October.

    Our correspondent who attended the event tells us, “The letter of recognition shown on the screen appeared to be from Mexico’s Interior Ministry, and it was dated October 30. Miscavige presented this as breaking news.”

    Like in Ireland and Taiwan, Miscavige has been making a concerted push into Mexico, and has run into problems building an “Advanced Org” in Mexico City. So official recognition there, after being turned down multiple times in the past and as recently as 2012, is a significant coup for the church that has been rapidly dwindling in other places, like the United States, Australia, and the UK.

    Continued at https://tonyortega.org/2017/12/17/m...religion-miscavige-claims-at-new-years-event/
  35. The Wrong Guy Member

    AUDIO: David Miscavige’s claim that Mexico has officially recognized Scientology as a religion

    By Tony Ortega, December 20, 2017

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    Gosh, we not only had a correspondent at the New Year’s event at the Shrine Auditorium on Saturday who heard David Miscavige’s claim that Mexico has officially recognized Scientology as a religion, but we also have audio to prove it.

    Some of our readers were pretty skeptical of our report on Sunday that Scientology has achieved such a thing. Well, there should be no doubt now that Miscavige at least made the claim. As you can hear in the audio, he’s very specific about it being federal recognition, and our correspondent said Miscavige showed a document from Mexico’s Secretary of the Interior to prove it. But does that document back up what Miscavige is claiming?

    We have no confirmation from the Mexican government itself yet, but we figure Miscavige is going to hold back that document until video of Saturday’s event can be shown in the orgs around the world on New Year’s Eve itself.

    For now, listen for yourself as Miscavige makes his announcement and then gets drowned out by the crowd’s roar.

    <snipped>

    Also, our correspondent said that Miscavige appeared to make yet another promise about Scientology’s cable television channel, which would be produced out of its new set of studios, Scientology Media Productions, dedicated with much fanfare in May 2016.

    This reference in his speech was less direct, but our correspondent is correct that this is the language that Miscavige has been using in reference to the SMP going fully online. So yes, we agree with our correspondent that this appears to be Miscavige promising yet again that the cable channel is coming, and in “a few short months”.

    More at https://tonyortega.org/2017/12/20/a...icially-recognized-scientology-as-a-religion/
  36. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology’s claim about recognition in Mexico now on the record

    By Tony Ortega, January 1, 2018

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    We had a correspondent at the taping of Scientology’s New Year event, which actually took place on December 16 at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles. Last night, video of that lengthy address by church leader David Miscavige was shown at Scientology facilities around the world and became an official event.

    And so now Scientology’s own website is proclaiming what our correspondent leaked a couple of weeks ago, that Miscavige is claiming the nation of Mexico has recognized Scientology as a religion.

    Continued at https://tonyortega.org/2018/01/01/s...ur-plans-for-howdycon-2018-in-the-windy-city/
  37. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology actress Jenna Elfman fully stoked by church’s new expansion push!

    By Tony Ortega, January 6, 2018

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    We’re still getting some interesting bits and pieces out of Scientology’s recent New Year’s event and the claims made by church leader David Miscavige. During the event filmed on December 16 in Los Angeles but shown in the rest of Scientology’s facilities on December 31 Miscavige made the announcement that Mexico had recognized Scientology as a religion.

    We were also struck by the photo you see above, when Miscavige called up many Scientologists to the stage who had qualified as “Power FSMs” (Field Staff Members) — and the church website explains that these were folks who had signed up 100 or more people on Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom” in the past year. FSMs recruit new people into Scientology and are paid a percentage of what those new members pay for courses. Power FSMs can make a very lucrative living.

    The website also made this claim: “This year further saw an unprecedented four individuals achieve the status of Elite FSM, recognizing their achievement of having helped 1,000 people onto and up the Bridge.”

    Hey, that’s a pretty big number. Recent defectors have estimated for us that there are only about 20,000 active Scientologists left in the world at this point. But Miscavige is claiming that just four people were responsible for bringing more than 4,000 new members into the fold.

    And one has done even better. According to a photo on his Instagram account, Andrea D’Agostini was named a “2X Elite FSM,” which implies that he was personally responsible for bringing 2,000 new members into Scientology in the last year.

    To celebrate that, he posted this photo of a banner he was given.

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    We’ve highlighted a couple of people who celebrated D’Agostini’s achievement: Vic Tipnes, who we’ve encountered before, and actress Jenna Elfman.

    “YESSSSSSSSSS. Y.E.S. Yes. And more YES,” she posted.

    Hey, as long as Jenna is excited, it has to be good, right?

    Well, we thought we’d check with an expert, former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder, and he threw some cold water on Jenna’s parade.

    “Those numbers, like every number in Scientology, are completely fake,” Rinder tells us. “They get up to all sorts of tricks. You know D’Agostini goes around doing ‘reg’ events for the Freewinds full time. He is effectively a full time reg. The ‘Power’ and ‘Elite’ FSMs pad their numbers in a lot of ways: They count every person they have ever selected if they did anything that year. They hold ‘seminars’ and charge $10 and count everyone who attends as a ‘start.’ That sort of thing in every permutation you can imagine. Miscavige ignores the obvious falsehood. He wants more people on stage this year than last and doesn’t care how they get there. It’s ridiculous that D’Agostini (or anyone else) brought 2,000 ‘onto the Bridge’ — the entire Scientology network in the US probably had less than 2,000 people start on real auditing or training in the last year (not counting ‘Free Personality Analysis’ or ‘Intro Lectures’).”

    Spoilsport.

    Source, and comments:
    https://tonyortega.org/2018/01/06/s...n-fully-stoked-by-churchs-new-expansion-push/

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