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Mobsters, Israel, Scientology, Bombs

Discussion in 'Media' started by Sponge, May 17, 2011.

  1. Triumph Member

    Miriam Soglowek - Scientology Service Completions
    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/m/miriam-soglowek.html

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/1a88006d6f19c63b

    Impact 69 patron 1995 Isreal
    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/impact/impact069patrons.html
    patron 2005
    http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/ias-2005.htm

    super powers
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?16197-142-million-plus-given-to-Super-Power-Scam

    whole family...have given buttloads of $$$ to the cult
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  2. Anonymous Member

    Herro - sometimes it seems your comments don't take into account what the poster is attempting to say. A poorly written comment is frustrating. Giving the benefit of the doubt sometimes makes them easier to take. For example, after reading the post you quoted, I inferred it to mean "Let's hope this is the end for scientology in Israel if Finkelstein gives up information on the cult's involvment as part of a plea deal. If so, the Israeli government would be justified in denying them the ability to operate there and effectively ban the cult."

    Now, I know that's giving the poster a huge benefit of the doubt, but lots of us do that for you all the time. Sometimes it's better to ask if that's what the poster meant than just simply reacting.

    /derail
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  3. Anonymous Member

    be'Itschik ha gadol - yaffo

    Dunno what be'Itschik is but...


    gadol = extreme, very serious, very much


    Yaffo = Jaffa (i.e. the town just south of Tel Aviv where the org was)
  4. CarltonBANKS Member

    I see the name. I cannot read the posts. I get a headache when I see big walls of text. (Dyslexia).

    -----

    This might be worth a probe:
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    http://www.facebook.com/michal.shichrur
  5. CarltonBANKS Member

    wonder if these are conincidences {BFFs of Scientology staff in Israel}

    Is this a variation of the (Gur) Finkelsteen spelling: Assaf Finkelshtein

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    Matan Gur

    WTF is Matan? do they ever write the surname first?
  6. Anonymous Member

    Itsik ha-gadol means Itsik (short for Ytzhak) the great
    Yaffo = Jaffa
  7. CarltonBANKS Member

  8. Anonymous Member

    In Hebrew the first name is written first. Here is the thing about the name Gur - it's actually a very common last name. And then people started giving it to their kids as a given name, sort of like in the US where in the south parents given their kids last name for a first name [Davis for example or Wayde].

    Assaf - it's a different first name.

    Finkelstein can be spelled however you like to be spelled, as in Hebrew S and SH are the same letter. However, since this last name is of Germanic origin in German it's spelled Finkelstein
  9. Anonymous Member

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    another random: Sharon Kachko
    Scientology is thriving in Israel. Wow.
  10. Triumph Member

    from the same article
    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/a-bridge-too-far-1.227554

    same family as the kosher kings

    who knew that WTH booklets improved the conditions in Kosovo...I thought it was NATO
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  11. Anonymous Member

    There is an interview with this guy that aired a few days ago. The expose was prepared even before the Finkelstein story, so it doesn't feature any of the Violet Wreath adventures. However this Sefi Fischler gave a very a la Tommy Davis interivew - "who is Xenu?", "we have 30,000 members only in Israel", "you're a biased reporter" and then he stormed out. I will try to prepare subtitles for this expose this weekend.
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  13. Orson Member

    Saw one of our Isralianons post earlier in this thread AND am appreciating very much Bozuri's arrival here. Wondering what others there are hearing there as well. Is it time to do some education in the area of the ideal org?
  14. Anonymous Member

    Thanks Orson.
    I don't know any Israeli anons because I no longer live in the area. An Israeli hacker recently joined WWP. His name is TheOnlyOne. I'm in touch with him, he might get some info for us. He actually posted here, saying that he wanted to protest and was looking for others to join him in Tel Aviv.
  15. Anonymous Member

    I never heard of this Michal chick, but she is totally a Scientologist. She is friends on thte facebook with Ella Schner, who is the head of Israeli CCHR.
    Ella Schner was somewhat involved in a suicide of an Israeli scientologist who was mentally ill. On the last day of his life she took this guy on a road trip, instead of taking him to a hospital. When he got back home he hung himself.
    Scher also appeared before commission of the Knesset [parliament] talking about the dangers of ritalin.
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  16. AnonLover Member

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  17. CarltonBANKS Member

    I got bored with all this and stopped, like an hour or so ago. Y'all carry on and do your excellent research.

    You should scrape /save the friends lists (of the key people) before they are made private (and we have to rely on someone who works at Facebook to get all the info for us). Maybe try saving as web archives or maybe PDFs. (You probably have to be good wif computers).

    Hopefully, when the Israeli authorities come to look at all this , they can get a judge to order Facebook to give all the details.

    Scientology is huge in Israel; it is an extremely successful cult.
  18. Anonymous Member

    More investigating:
    So,in 2007, one of the leading Israeli newspapers [www.ynetnews.com] reported that at the Soglowek factory in the North of Israel, the workers were forced to take Scientology classes, courtesy of one of the owners of Soglowek industries, Hanan Soglowek. Consequently, a member of the parliament Shmuel Halpert held a special parliamentary session, investigating the issue.
    As a result of this investigation, Hanan Soglowek resigned. He subsequently sold his share in the company to Ami and Yael Soglowek for 110 million dollars. His daughter Karen also regisned.
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  19. Anonymous Member

    List of Israeli Scientology front groups [as provide by a former scientologist sarit on her blog]:

    Success, headed by Elad Hadar
    Aviv Sivan Consulting [Aviv Sivan must be somebody's name]
    WISE
    GIT or JIT [not sure] consulting for managers
    Horizons Israel
    The Institute for business consulting, headed by Yuval Yivankowski [I might be mispelling the last name]
    Lahav Managerial Consulting
    M.A.S.I [or Maasi meaning practical] in Business
    Neta, consulting for businessmen [Neta is a first name, I wonder who this Neta is]
    SOL or Soul Enterpreneurs and Training
    Rehet Businessmen
    Sefi Fishler or Fishler Tel Aviv consulting [this guy was just interviewed by the Israeli Channel 10 a few days ago]1
    Business Power or Empowerment [belongs to the Soglowek family]k
    Federman consulting
    Peron consulting and training for businessmen
    Recanati Tel Aviv [ the Recanatis are another extremely wealthy Israeli family, however I can't find any links between them and Scientology apart from on this list]
    Rita Zohar
    CommLine, headed by Adi Plaut, here is his blog http://www.news1.co.il/blog/pr

    Here is the original list in Hebrew

    סקסס (Success) בראשות אלעד הדר.
    אביב סיון יועצים
    איגוד היועצים העסקיים הבינלאומי (WISE)
    אמנות הניהול
    ג'י. אי. טי. ייעוץ והדרכה למנהלים
    הורייזנס ישראל
    המכון לאבחון עסקי (יובל יבנקובסקי)
    להב יעוץ ניהולי
    מ.ע.ש.י בעסקים
    נטע, ליווי והדרכת אנשי עסקים
    סול יוזמות והכשרה
    ספי פישלר(פישלר את אביב יועצים)
    עוצמה עסקית (משפחת זוגלובק)
    פדרמן יועצים
    פרון - יעוץ והדרכת אנשי עסקים
    ריטה זוהר
    רקנטי את אביב
    קבוצת קומליין (CommLine) עדי פלאוט
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  20. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Links in quote (to use with caution about accuracy)
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  21. Anonymous Member

    sarit rosenberg former alain franck rosemberg paris's celebrity center boss ?
    is she related to him former wife ?
  22. Ann O'Nymous Member

  23. Anonymous Member

    fixt
  24. Haven't they seen Jan Eastgate talking about the Holocaust or haven't they heard LRH's lecture on the global conspiracy of bankers?
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  25. Anonymous Member

    Once they drink the cool-aids, every time Scientology/Hubbard fails, it's part of a great conspiracy against them.
  26. Anonymous Member

    Additional people: Moti Morel, well known cut throat PR person. Used to consult the former President of Israel [who ironicaly was convicted of rape].
    Morel was booed off stage once when he appeared in some event unrelated to Scientology, but his audience was that of religious Jews. They objected his ties with Scientology. He insisted that he wasn't a Scientologist.
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    Yael Lotan [or Jael Lotan]. I hope it's the right picture. She is also a PR person. http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/y/yael-lotan.html
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  27. tikk Member

    My worlds collided slightly in that my favoritest radio station, WFMU, hosts a weekly talk show called Seven Second Delay, on which Tony Ortega was a guest this past Wednesday. Tony discusses Gur Finkelstein, as news of the arrest was breaking that day, and other Scientology topics. The show can be heard here with Tony coming on at around the 20:00 minute mark.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    Thanks Tikk. I think somebody posted a separate thread about this radio show. It was pretty funny.
  29. Herro Member

    1) A single individual out of a group of tens of thousands saying shit about the Holocaust is no reason to condemn the rest of that group.
    2) Why are you automatically assuming that a conspiracy theory involving global bankers is an anti semetic conspiracy theory?
  30. –L. Ron Hubbard, Aides Conference, "Covert Operations", 2 November 1969

    He drops the "Jewish" bit from his rants about bankers thereafter but the overall tone of his remarks still resembles the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion".
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  31. Herro Member

    interesting
  32. Anonymous Member

    Jan is just one example. It's doctrine bb. Ron says so.

    It's okay to condemn a group that suggests the holocaust was caused by psychs. Hell, I condemn shriners just for those stupid hats.
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  33. Anonymous Member

    When the individual doing it is high up in the organisation and is standing there drumming it into a larger audience of followers then it is very significant, especially if it is via LRH himself, who's very word in writings and lectures is the pseudo-religion's doctrine.
    LRH=source.
  34. Natter Bored Member

    http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=4001

    Aaron Saxton
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  35. vaLLarrr Member

    Herro - you never realized the connection before now?

    Damn I thought you were the wise guy here...
  36. vaLLarrr Member

    He has my (virtual) sword.

    And my (virtual) axe.

    Israel has enough "balagan gadol" without this vicious cult taking hold.

    Peace and Radio.
  37. Anonymous Member

    LOL
    I totally agree. Balagan gadol [giant mess] all the time.
    But Scientology in Israel is pretty much focused in secular liberal Tel Aviv and pretends to be a business venture.
  38. Anonymous Member

    I found an article from the Globes business magazine from 2006, which lists all the front groups, all of which are named something like "X business consulting". There are about 30 of them, none are registered in the official register of companies. The reporter also called a couple of them, only to realize that thtey were operating from the same location and using the same phone numbers.
    I'm hestitant to start translating this article, because it's from 2006 and somebody may have already done it. http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000114203
    Any way to find out?

    Globes also published two more articles about Scientology in October 2010 http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000590823
    and March 2011, dealing with the Soglowek brothters: http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=507657

    Sorry, it's all in Hebrew, but it's good to have all the data collected in one place. Also, maybe my fellow Israeli anons here will help out with translation.
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  39. Anonymous Member

    Rather than translating the whole thing from scratch,
    maybe you could start from the Google Translate version, and clean that up?


  40. Anonymous Member

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