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Montreal Church of Scientology in financial difficulty

Discussion in 'Media' started by mnql1, May 6, 2015.

  1. mnql1 Member

    Translation of a French article posted on May 6, 2015 on the website of the Montreal business newspaper Les Affaires:
    L'Église de scientologie de Montréal en difficultés financières
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  2. Ann O'Nymous Member

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  3. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Ron DeWolfe eldest son of Hubbard (born L. Ron Hubbard, Jr.), in an affadavit in Schaick v. Church of Scientology, US District Court Mass., No. 79-2491

    Meh. I was looking for LRon's statement about acquiring/accumulating property, something along the lines that if it became important then it was time to blow the shit up. bbl.
  4. mnql1 Member

    Excerpt from a French article posted on May 6, 2015 on the website of the Montreal daily Métro:
    L’Église de Scientologie doit 117 000$ à la Ville de Montréal
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  5. anon8109 Member

    At what point does the city start foreclosing on the downtown building?
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  6. RightOn Member

    yes ^ this and will they go after them for back taxes owed?
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  7. DeathHamster Member

    It sounds like their standard tactics, like they did in Toronto: Never pay taxes, claim that as a religion they shouldn't have to, wait until there's a huge bill and the place will be foreclosed, settle for some compromise figure. (Strange how CoS's "compromises" always end up with them paying less money than they should.)
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  8. Quentinanon Member

    I would like to see someone in the Toronto city government take the view that the negotiated deficiency falls onto all other tax payers who pay in full, then file a lean against the cult for the full amount due and ruthlessly enforce payment.
  9. peterstorm Member

    I'm so happy!!!
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  10. peterstorm Member

    Well we don't learn much from these articles. Some mistakes about them wanting to open a new Narconon "in the region" (?) Not going to happen.

    Still glad for the Wednesday/downstat/bad press.
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  11. mnql1 Member

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  13. mnql1 Member

    Translation of a French article posted on June 5, 2015 on the website of the Montreal daily newspaper Métro:
    L’Église de Scientologie fait face à la saisie pour des taxes non payées
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  14. RightOn Member

    Seize away! and GTFO.
    Long time coming and should have been yanked long ago.
    Thanks for posting the translation

    "As is the case in some thirty cities, the building remains unoccupied since it was bought."
    If ever renovated, it would still be empty. :p

    So, the building just gets seized and no prosecution for unpaid fines and taxes?
    why?
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  15. anon8109 Member

    The sale of the building will pay for the taxes and fines.
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  16. DeathHamster Member

    I wish I knew where the 30 cities number came from. I've been trying to track the rotting buildings, and I only get 30ish if I total the building names and the orgs, roughly doubling the number.
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  17. John Duff Member

    Because getting seized is already a punishment for not paying. You can't punish someone/something twice for one crime.

    This made me question why we protest against a sect that doesn't need our help to die.
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  18. It has seemed on the verge of death before. They managed a fairly successful Dianetics ad campaign (downplaying the Scientology brand) and got an influx of new members.
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  19. mnql1 Member

    The page below features an interactive map of 29 "phantom Scientology orgs" with photos and captions in French.
    Le parc immobilier fantôme de la scientologie

    According to the map, the 29 cities with unoccupied ideal orgs are:

    Toronto, Ontario
    Montreal, Québec
    Winnipeg, Manitoba

    Atlanta, Georgia
    Boston, Massachussets
    Chicago, Illinois
    Detroit, Michigan
    Kansas City, Missouri
    New Haven, Connecticut
    Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
    Saint-Louis, Missouri
    Mountain View, California
    San Diego, California
    San Fernando Valley, California
    Philadephia, Pennsylvania
    Battle Creek, Michigan
    Harlem, New York City
    Columbus, Ohio
    Miami, Florida

    Zürich, Switzerland

    Birmingham, UK
    Northumbria, UK
    Manchester, UK
    Plymouth, UK

    Capetown, South Africa
    Port Elizabeth, South Africa
    Durban, South Africa

    Bulawayo, Zimbabwe

    Auckland, New Zealand
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  20. Random guy Member


    Because popcorn?
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  21. peterstorm Member

    They will probably pay but a seizure would be funny.
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  22. Random guy Member


    You're likely right (unfortunately).
  23. mnql1 Member

    Incidentally, the June 5, 2015 article appeared on the front page of the print edition of the Métro tabloid:
    Metro-Montreal-2015-06-05.jpg
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  24. BigBeard Member

    Phony "loan" from the IAS to bail them out maybe??

    BigBeard
  25. DeathHamster Member

    They like to take it to the brink in hopes that the other side will "split the difference" between nothing and what they owe.
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  26. anon8109 Member

    In this case that won't work. They either pay up by the deadline or lose the building.
  27. Random guy Member


    Let's hope you are right.
  28. RightOn Member


    Can't the COS let the building be confiscated and then have some other "company" *cough*, COS front group buy it at a discounted price back from the city?
  29. anon8109 Member

    Since this would be an auction, it's not likely that the building would go for so much less than market value that it would be worth the risk of losing the building.
  30. DeathHamster Member

    CoS likes to try the carrot and the stick.

    The carrot is that the city will get immediate hard cash for some of the potential money owed.
    The stick is the threat of a long expensive legal campaign, possibly followed with the dubious income from selling the property.

    That's how they got their Toronto deal in the 90s. (Today, Toronto would look at the price condo developers would pay for the land, giggle, and foreclose on the spot.)
  31. mnql1 Member

    Translation of a French article posted on Thursday, November 5, 2015 on the TVA network website:
    L'Église de Scientologie acquitte sa facture
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  32. DeathHamster Member

    Sounds like they waited until absolutely the last minute.

    Now let's see if Toronto is willing to put them under the hammer.
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  33. BlooAnon Member

    I wonder, who coughed up the dough. IAS? The poor Scientologists financially squeezed for all their worth and more?
  34. peterstorm Member

    Maybe from the money they have raised so far to renovate the building. They need at least 10M.
  35. BigBeard Member

    They need to be careful about that. Using money donated for a specific purpose for other things is a quick way to end up behind bars. It be interesting to find out where the money actually came from.

    BigBeard
  36. DeathHamster Member

    They've drained Idle Org funds before. I think the Toronto fund was sucked dry for a promotional campaign several years back.

    Internally, when they need money for something (before Thurs 2pm), they grab it because it's all theirs just like prepayment "money on account".

    The question is, were they vague enough in the fine print of paperwork for the original donations?
  37. BigBeard Member

    Of course the city probably doesn't care, since it got it's tax money. But, considering how long things say idle because of lack of funds, someone in the government with an interest in possible chicanery might want to have a forensic accountant look into where the money came from. I see way to much murkiness in the money transfers within the US side IRS Form 990's to believe this situation was handled in a manner completely on the up and up.

    BigBeard
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  38. mnql1 Member

    Journal de Montréal today published a historical feature about the La Patrie newspaper (1879-1978), whose offices were located from 1907 to 1978 in the building that the Church of Scientology of Montreal purchased in 2007 for its future ideal org but can't afford to renovate.

    Without mentioning that the Church of Scientology is the current owner, the segment about the building laments that:
    "The building having been left in disrepair by the current owner, no one any longer crosses
    its antique portal, the worthy witness of an era when the printed newspaper ruled."

    Immeuble La Patrie 1976-2016.jpg

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  39. Random guy Member

    Man, that building look ratty.
  40. BlooAnon Member

    Montreal really needs to put their foot down. :/

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