Narconon Drug Bomb

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by OTBT, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. RolandRB Member

    See the eleven (as yet) points above. Maybe they can comment on them.

    Also show them this. This dose is taken 4x per day:
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  2. RolandRB Member

    I've just done something very Suppressive. :)

    Thanks for giving me the only British slot on RFW. Without that I wouldn't have bothered to make the effort. Thanks for the Games Condition! :D
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  4. jensting Member

    aha, we particularly like
    and what's a "Medical Director," then? A qualified doctor, or an ex-addict who's "hatted" to be "medical director?"

    They talk about a qualified nurse - ooh, that's nice - but what about the qualifications of this "medical director?"

    If this is an actual doctor, it should be a simple matter to confront his professional body with documentation and see how they feel about the doses of vitamins and other oddities of the narCONon quack programme. If he's not a doctor, woe betide him if just one of the victims get as much as a passing headache, in which case the "medical director" is staring "practising medicine without a license" right in the eyes.

    Best Regards

  5. They usually find quack licensed MD's to be paid and listed as Narconon Medical Directors.
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  6. DeathHamster Member

    In the case of NN TR, wasn't the quack over 100 kms away?
  7. RolandRB Member

    The CoS have always used the term "Medical Liaison Officer" for the person making the medical decisions.
  8. RolandRB Member

    This should be enough to get them closed down and they will know it. They'll be making offers to us in the next few hours to get this stopped. We are all sluts. We are all whores. If the price is right and we get a nice house plus plenty of money to live on then we will all shut the fuck up and take the moolah.
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  9. Meet Dr. Steven Stein, Narconon Vista Bay Medical Director

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  10. RolandRB Member

    I just made a small but important update to point 1 by adding a link to the definition of "medicine" according to EU law that is held on the MHRA web site.
  11. RolandRB Member

    The Next Stage - the French Jugement

    I have put some more effort into my 11 points to make them hopefully watertight and added references that can be checked up on. I'll be making some minor improvement over the next few days before I go in for surgery. My work is done and I can not plan for more but there is more important work to be done.

    The laws on medicine are EU laws and apply in all EU member states. The jugement in France used those same laws and the outcome was unchallenged. This then makes it a legal precedent that can be used for all other EU countries to rid those countries of the Narconon detox and the Purification Rundown. And once rid of those and with no neighbouring country to use then it is no longer financially viable for the CoS to remain in that country.

    What is needed to make that happen is to produce a good English translation of the official copy of the French Jugement. We will also need a German translation and an Italian one plus a few others so that it can be used in other EU member countries to order the Narconon detox and Purification Rundown to be closed down.

    If people make the effort then this can be achieved for all EU countries. It needs translators, it needs lawyers, it needs doctors to help but if you can get these resources willing to help then this thing can be done.
  12. RolandRB Member

    Narconon "Drug Bomb" certification‏


    Dears Sirs,

    please do not be alarmed at the subject of this email. "Drug Bomb" is literally a "bomb against drugs" and is the regimen of vitamins used on the Narconon detoxification programme and also (not under this name) for the "Purification Rundown" that is sold and administered in churches of Scientology all over the UK. You can read about this "Drug Bomb" by following the link below.

    By doing this programme then it is claimed that it will rid the body of drug residues and that there will be an improvement in mental health. It is all based on the book "Clear Body; Clear Mind" which can be read online:

    A claim made about this program is as follows:

    "The Purification program was developed to meet a growing threat to mental and spiritual advancement and well-being stemming from the more and more common use of drugs and biochemical substances in the curent culture." —L. Ron Hubbard if a person does this programme they expect to rid their body of drug residues at least gain a "mental advancement" as per the quote above.

    In view of the fact that the doses are very high for this four times a day intake (exceeding, in the case of niacin, the highest doses prescribed by doctors for the lowering of cholesterol), and that even the literature states the dangers of it as follows:

    "It should not be taken on an empty stomach, as it can cause burns of the mucous membrane."

    ...then I am wondering if this "Drug Bomb" and the same or similar concoction of vitamins used on the "Purification Rundown" needs to be registered as a borderline product with your agency to assure the public that this programme is medically safe.

    Yours sincerely,
    Roland Rashleigh-Berry
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  13. Gottabrain Member

    A lot of the wording is intentionally legally misleading. Let me clarify the requirements:

    A DOCTOR (M.D.) has to write a care plan for a person under his care and prescribe all medications or even diet supplements. The plan has to be specifically under the person's name and these things prescribed to the person individually. The doctor is personally responsible for the medications and/or supplements prescribed to the person. The plan would say, for example, "Joe Blow 500 mg Vitamin C supplement 6 am and 6 pm daily". Anything less specific is not a proper care plan.

    The NURSE (registered and qualified) then "assists" the person to take the medication and vitamins as specifically outlined in the care plan, but the person is still "self-medicating". They still have the right to refuse the medication or vitamins, with knowledge of consequences, and this must also be specifically stated to the person at the time of the medication/vitamins being administered.

    Any medications normally prescribed that are omitted must also state this directly by the doctor. In other words, the prescribed vitamins/etc. would be specific and NOT include otherwise prescribed meds by other doctors.

    Care plans are holistic as well. They also include diet, exercise, social and religious.

    If any of these elements are missing or not specified, the care plan is not authentic and cannot be authorised by the medical profession.

    Seems to me that the way it is written, the UK Medical Board may have assumed that all the above was done. Never has there been a Purif with vitamins specifically on a care plan prescribed by a doctor. This is dangerous. It is also likely that persons are not informed of their right to refuse the vitamin supplements, etc.

    Hope this helps.
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  14. BigBeard Member

    I forget, is there anything in there about NOT having prescribed medications needed to treat specific issues, e.g., epilepsy, high blood pressure, depression, etc., taken away, by unlicensed 'detox' specialists??

    Wish I could help with the translations, unfortunately the only languages I've picked up are how to order food and a beer in the Far East, not the EU.

  15. RolandRB Member

    Don't worry. I lived in France for 3 years and I am pretty impressive doing translations from French to English. In fact, it is already done. See French section.
  16. Intelligence Member

    And herein ^^^^^ is where one of the dangers are. They don't use any WD Meds that most
    WD Rehbs use to prevent Seizures. I witnessed patients being taken away in ambulances
    with Grand Mal seizures while withdrawing cold turkey from chronic alcoholism. It's a
    recipe for death!

    I myself, had a petite seizure - - came to with a head crushing head-ache, didn't know my name
    or where I was. Staff sluffed it off as "Don't be concerned, you didn't have a seizure, go take
    a hot bath with Epson-Salts". I was livid :)
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  17. Anonymous Member

    Necromancy for more info
    This is the advice from the Holistic Primary Care- the most extreme medical support for niacin
    Narconon's drug bomb is twice the safe dose

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  18. Intelligence Member

    This issue of signing a "Release" is not legally valid. I fought this issue with the
    Quebec Health Ministry, citing case law:

    "A person must have the mental capacity to form intent when signing any legal agreement or binding contract."

    The Health Ministry then advised NN TR to refrain from having patients sign any documents
    until after they were out of Withdrawal and had the mental capacity to form intent.

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  19. Zak McKracken Member

    You had to fight with them over that?!

    Isn't "having a diminished mental capacity" one of the major reasons people enter these programs in the first place?

    <small rage>
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  20. Zak McKracken Member

    On completing withdrawal, the Health Ministry expects that patients will have sufficient capacity?

    <slightly larger rage>

    why not just send them home? :|

    (I recognize and am grateful that Intelligence is counseling the Ministry toward recovery....)
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  21. skeptic2girl Member

    Exactly. It scares the Bejeezus out of me that Hub just made this shit up and people actually follow it as medical advice.

    Hey, DM, where are all of those scientific studies that led to these discoveries that megadoses of vitamins are helpful, and not harmful?

    Do they take new research on vitamins into account?

    Did Hubbard use a control group for his testing? How many people were tested as part of his study? It has to be pretty damn large amount for the study to mean anything, and even then, there would be requirements for the participants in the study so the results would be valid.

    I'm sure he was very fastidious about this sort of thing, though.

    Also, do the vitamins have to be vintage LRH (1980's and older) in order to work properly?

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  22. Intelligence Member

    I believe there was an independant group that was going to perform a controlled study
    and evaluation, but they refused or could not perform study due to the participants in the
    study being subjected to dangerous health risks.

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  23. grebe Member

    I have this vague memory of Metagenics being an MLM founded by a Reed Slatkin partner.
  24. Anonymous Member

    Cost of the Narconon Drug Bomb:

    The Drug Bomb Package [$NZ 150] includes 4 doses of vitamins in 4 separate packets. 1 days dose.

    I have no idea how much 150 New Zealand dollars is in Euros or US dollars.



  25. eddieVroom Member

    I'd be curious to see how many people develop ulcers and/or acid reflux following Narconon.
  26. BigBeard Member

    As of 11:25am EDT $1 NZ = 0.65 US /0.81 Euro

  27. Still some costly vitamins there.
  28. bAnon Member

    According to the latest Freedum magazine - 0% (no link provided as it violates my good sense of humor)

    Ulcers developed from this thread - 100%
  29. whitesand Member

    In USD, that's $97.50 PER DAY for vitamins.

    Swanson vitamins:
    bottle of B6 250 capsules: $4.99
    bottle of niacinamide 500 mg. 250 capsules: $6.49
    bottle of vitamin a&d 5,000 iu/400 iu 250 softgels: $3.89

    Somebody was making a lot of money off these vitamins.

  30. Be interesting to know if it was G&G: manufacturers of fine, superdose vitamins (not many of those out there, nice to have a niche) and purveyors to the (scilontology) stars...
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  31. DeathHamster Member

    There's also Peter Gilman in LA. (He might have a store in Clearwater too.) (Scientologist site)
  32. Albion Member

    Roland, is this what you are looking for? I think this is the Paris appeal court
    judgment. So far as I'm aware we are still waiting for the ruling en cassation.
    Not searchable, but better than nothing...
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  33. RolandRB.... looks like you have done a lot of research on this subject. Have you tried or experienced it yourself? You have a very closed mind and what works for some people may not work for others. People need to make their own decisions and they can leave the therapy whenever they choose.
    To me, your posts almost imitate what you are calling a Scientology Cult. Well done you have many followers who might have really benefited from the drug therapy.
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  34. Woo Hah Member

    Narconon doesn't work and it hurts people.

    You aren't going to find many Narconon supporters or apologists on here WWP.

    Fuck off.
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  35. jensting Member

    I.e. "are you some sort of drug addict? Huh?! ARE YOU?!!!"
    Sshh - s/he's striking an effective blow against the enemy despite personal danger to her/himself! Someone is in a condition of "liability" and needs to get themselves out.

    Makes you wonder what it is that the criminal organisation known as the "church" of $cientology is withholding from them until their "ethics handling" is complete?

    Best Regards

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  38. Intelligence Member

    It was 86.1 miles and over 1.5 hours one way to see the quack - - trips were ONLY on Wednesdays.
    Dr. Pierre Labonte, NN TR Medical Manager, did NOT make any visits to NN TR and we had no
    qualified Nurses on Staff.

    Ambulance trips to hospital emergency saved lives - so SAD :-(

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