Narconon "intel dump", evidence gathering list

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by tinfoilhatter, Mar 10, 2014.

  1. TorontosRoot Member

    What can you do. Just criticise it.
  2. Incredulicide Member

    "Limited resources did confine the study to a small number of participants - eleven individuals were treated rather than the 40 intended in the preferred plan."

    Not that it's a surprise, but this paper is rife with the names of Scientologists . I found not only one as an author, but at least four in the first paragraph of acknowledgements without even trying:

    co-author: Shelley Beckmann - Clear

  3. TorontosRoot Member

    Cannot believe there is a David Root. Lol

    Is he still in the sea mORGe? I wish he would have an open conversation with critics.
  4. Incredulicide Member

    The study being cited is from 1987, so two of the articles have useful quotes related to it:
    Small quantities of metals, including lead, may be released in sweat. Larger, lipid-soluble toxins such as PCBs, PAHs, and dioxins, however, are generally not eliminated this way, in part because sweat is a water-based medium. (It may be possible to detect traces of fat-soluble toxins in skin oils, though this does not mean that bulk quantities of these substances are removed by this route.)
    When reviewed, the studies that recount this great success do not meet the basic standards for scientific research that a high school student would be forced to follow in freshman biology. Sample sizes are extremely small, and research is conducted by parties with a vested interest in the program's success.
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  5. TorontosRoot Member

    Since scientology's front narconon uses pseudoscience, none of it can back any of it's claims at all. Spending 12-24 hour in a sauna can't remove or clear out drugs or anything like that. It comes out in the urine, but then again, the withdrawal symptoms that follow can be severe. Scientology then makes it so to blame the victim and to make it their own fault. Epic fail for the cult.

    Thought i'd add: dehydration will occur of the person isn't allowed to drink any water DURING their "session" in the sauna. Including overdose of niacin, liver damage does occur often, as if they downed a few 40 oz bottles of hard liquor in a short period of time.
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  6. DeathHamster Member

    California now has a page with detox license information, instead of those yearly-ish PDF files.

    From here: and Services

    The very nice part is that it'll export in a variety of computer-friendly formats. The no-so-nice part is that it's not "live" information and seems to be lagging at least a few months, so it might be the same compilation process as the PDFs used.

    The next update should show what's going on with the Narconon organizations in California, like if they'll try a complete name-change or what.
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  7. TorontosRoot Member

    Smithers: EXCELLENT

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  8. BigBeard Member

    Very nice! This will be helpful.

  9. DeathHamster Member

    Michigan LARA infoboxes added to the pages for each of Per Wickstrom operations. Still some tidy-up to be done.

    Category:A Forever Recovery

    Those boxes are automatically updated as the information changes. Next, I'll add a change page to make it easy to notice the changes when they happen.
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  10. DeathHamster Member

    The first California one: (By hand, but the automatics for all of them won't take long.)

    Category:Narconon Emerald Pines

    I'm not sure what I want to do about their stupid name changes yet.
  11. BigBeard Member

    Maybe add "Formerly" and "Until" fields if the EIN didn't change? From an IRS perspective, regardless of what they do with the name in California, it's still the same corporation if they keep the EIN. It's just considered a DBA change. If they actually set up a new corporation, they're supposed to get a new EIN for that corporation.

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  12. DeathHamster Member

    Elevate Addiction Services - South Lake Tahoe, formerly Narconon Emerald Pines just a location of Halcyon Horizons, which hasn't changed its name (recently) or its EIN.

    The only thing official about the name is the California rehab license, so that's what I'll follow: Rename the page and leave a redirect on the current page, do the same with the news article tags, add another AKA name to the list.

    All the California Narconon locations now have a CHHS license box. The only oddities are Huntington Harbor House and Sunshine Summit Lodge which show as expired licenses. Sunshine Summit Lodge is definitely still open, no idea about Huntington Harbor House. The CHHS database was updated Apr 28, 2016, but I suspect there's a lag between this new list system and the dbs that it's built from.

    Ah well, I'll know the day it catches up and all the boxes will automatically update.

    That's Michigan and California rehab licenses covered. Next, I think I'll have it watch for new Form 990s.
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  14. DeathHamster Member

    I'm not sure if I spotted this when it came past:

    The "Golden Age" of Narconon and Idealiness December 22, 2015, Mike Rinder, Something Can Be Done About It
    That's way over the line, even for Scientology. (Plus, spare Sea Org aren't an infinite resource. Miscavige is going to be heading up Shit Creek when he empties his reserves.)

    (LOL, even the staffers can't remember the throw-away name their Narconon is using this week!)
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  15. RightOn Member

    So..... their only documentation of their success rate is them saying it. :confused:
    How is this not fraud? And what authorities are not seeing this as fraud? It is plain as day, handed to them on a silver platter.. They are not only not seeing it as fraud, they are endorsing it! :mad:
    And the Sea Orgers can't be running Fort Colins, Scientology has not things do with Narconon. :p
    And the golden seal of approval sure is dandy!
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  16. DeathHamster Member

    Narconon UK has these certs on their site:
    CARF doesn't even know about this location, and all the Care Quality Commission has done is said that they're likely to be okay. They haven't actually inspected anything, and I'm sure that Narconon is in no hurry for that.
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  17. RightOn Member

    ^^ so how does CARF check their 76% success rate claims?
  18. TorontosRoot Member

    That is what I'm wondering about...
  19. DeathHamster Member

    CARF doesn't certify any of that. When CARF is legit, they check various physical safety standards.

    They don't investigate the Purification Rundown to see if it's safe or works. They don't look at cases where someone gets dumped at a bus stop or flea-bag motel after a few days, no refund. Drug use on site, sex for drugs, none of that.

    CARF isn't a big organization that will land a surprise inspection team on the site to investigate. Most of it is probably a checklist that the Narconon fills out themselves. (Trained medical people on site? Sure. Doctors available? Oh yeah, if we call an ambulance, maybe...) Any actual checking is probably preceded by frantic cleaning and fixing weeks before someone arrives.

    And there's the question if CoS still has someone inside CARF to fix things for them.

    And CARF has bullshit like "Three-Year Accreditation" without saying when that period begins or ends.
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  20. TorontosRoot Member

    I question the fact, if carf was to do an internal investigation to rule out any shills, would it work?
  21. DeathHamster Member

    If CARF was legit on the subject of Narconon, stuff like their UK location displaying the CARF logo because some location in the US passed should have them squirming in their seats. After the NAFC lawsuit, they can't be asleep to that.
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  22. DeathHamster Member

    Huntington Harbor House has dropped off the CHHS list of licensed rehab/detox locations.

    Too soon to call it dead, but it's a good sign!

    Meanwhile, Sunshine Summit Lodge is still showing as expired March 31, 2016. Next on the chopping block?
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  24. Sunshine Summit Lodge

    Doing business as:
    Narconon San Diego, Narconon Warner Springs, Sunshine Summit Lodge
    Address: 35025 Highway 79, Buildings A, G, I, & J Warner Springs, CA 92086
    County: San Diego
    Managed by: Narconon Fresh Start/Southern California
    Registered Agent: Donna Casselman
    6161 Santa Monica Blvd. Suite 208 Los Angeles CA 90038

    Narconon Survey Response #348

    This survey respondent found the Narconon program to be a good fit and denies the Scientology connection. At the same time, the respondent mentions Hubbard and states, "they never push that stuff on you."

    Read more »

    Henning and Tetreau v. Narconon Fresh Start, Sunshine Summit Lodge, ABLE, Narconon Int., Narconon WUS, et. al.

    In January 2014, while searching for a rehabilitation facility for her daughter, Deanna Tetreau of Michigan came across a website that purported to be an independent referral service which was not independent from Narconon at all. From there, she was referred to a Narconon Fresh Start representative named Josh Penn, infamous now for making representations that the Narconon program provided drug counseling under the supervision of medical professionals, and that it was a scientifically proven method resulting in a success rate of over 70%. Plaintiffs signed the contract, paid for their Warner Springs location program called Sunshine Summit Lodge where Deanna's daughter Jennifer Henning began 'treatment' only to find that there was no counseling, only Scientology training. She was unable to complete the sauna component due to high doses Niacin triggering pancreatitis which the facility neglected to provide appropriate can and supervision of. The causes of action in this case are: Breach of Contract; Negligence; Fraud; Negligent Misrepresentation; Violations of non-competition law , violation of federal wiretapping, law among others.
    Read more »
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  25. Just posted an update on the Dutch Narconon on the main Dutch thread, and I'll post it here too...

    Update on Narconon. They have finally posted their financial reports, which they have to do as a ANBI/tax free foundation.

    Good news!

    The key number are:

    Turnover - €118K
    Costs - € 210K

    Operating loss - €91K

    Total debt - €675K

    They admit in the report that they are on the brink of financial liquidation and that the current ED wants to quit.

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  27. TorontosRoot Member

    Narconon is falling, at least in dutch!. :D
  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Here's a thread that mentions Wickstrom and Manistee County, Michigan that turned up in a search:

    Buyers Remorse (Not all Rehabs are created Equally) |


    I now many of you read my AD long story, so here is the part where I melted down today. I am melting down again today...

    All the while we were looking at 1. Long term, 2. Dual Diagnosis, 3. Holistic, 4. 12-Step, 5. Spiritual, 6. PTSD/Trauma/ Chronic Pain, rehab. we found one (There are 5 locations in Michigan) all owned by the same guy.. His name is Per Wickstrom - Google him) he is is pretty up there in the Church of Scientology), We are recruited by a man named Greg, with Life solutions (another company owned by Mr. Wickstrom)

    We picked one ( I will not name it as all who have passed this line before have been sued for defamation) Lawsuits found on Internet.. and the "So-called/Really true" Defamation was removed. We were told she was going to a place that met all of those categories above... Every single one of them.. Not once did they say they were going to take her off her Psych Meds for Depression and Mood Stabilizers.. blah blah...

    I get her on a plane last night, finally after she had 1 melt down that led to a plane change, I wake up to calls from this center telling me, she wont consent to having her Psych Meds taken away and they have no intentions of prescribing her new ones... She cannot stay in the program. I start googling this place find out about the ties to Scientology. I call and demand to speak to my daughter, they hemmed and hawed for a while.. Said she was eating a salad and they would call me back when she was done, I threaten to call the sheriff of Manistee County Mi, and finally viola they have me on the phone with her she is freaked out.. talking about how she was lied to and how she had not yet been allowed to sleep.

    They wont let me talk to her alone.. I demand that they have her on a plane back home tonight and I have a confirmation in my email in 1 hour of her flight and everything... Well one hour rolls around no email no confirmation.

    I call back and demand to speak to the same Guy who called they keep hanging up on me, I keep calling back then I get a call from Nick, said he wanted to help me find another facility for my daughter to be transported to.. then had an argument with me about how holistic and psych meds cannot co-occur.. I told him that I would not trust him to find me another facility.. by this time I know I have sold my daughter to a swear a flipping cult..

    I call back and demand that the receptionist put the man on the phone that I had first talked to, then I was immediately called by Nick who had a confirmation email in my box with in minutes,

    I called back talked to my daughter who was now not making any sense, said she was just tired.. there is a 4 1/2 hour time between manistee and Detroit.. her flight is now in 1 hour she has not yet checked in for her flight, I have arranged gate assist for her with Delta.

    I called back and talked to the director of the center I demand the number for the driver.. she has to be checked in in 15 minutes to get her bags checked..

    She has made it to the airport, with 30 Minutes to spare.. Doubt her bags are going to be on the plane, but she was not assisted to the counter like the center said she would be... Delta cannot confirm she has checked yet. But she will have a Greet and assist to the gate.. not sure what to do about the bags... I just want her on that damn plane home I am so scared.. she has no money.. nothing she cannot be stuck in Detroit air port overnight...
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  29. TorontosRoot Member

    All run by that one scientolofag. Something needs to be done to incarcerate the motherfucker. :O

    Rehabs of death.
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  30. The Wrong Guy Member

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  31. DeathHamster Member
    I don't have time to read in detail right now, but it looks verra nice!
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  35. BigBeard Member

    While our focus is primarily narCONon, I like the fact he points out they are not the only less than reputable rehab involved in this scam. So, even if there is a sense, "Somethings got to be done now.", due diligence really, really, needs to be done when looking for a rehab for a family member or loved one.

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  37. DeathHamster Member

    Per Wickstrom's BEST DRUG REHABILITATION SERVICES at 300 Care Center Drive, Manistee, MI 49660 just got their yearly license bump to July 31, 2017.

    I expect that the rest will follow soon before July 31, 2016, if not, then it's time to recheck for new names/companies/licenses at the old locations. Same as it ever was.

    Category:Best Drug Rehabilitation
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