absolutely do I agree on their history and their continual reliance on those historically effective tactics. and that there are far too many eejits in the LE system Some of the points you seem very reluctant to appreciate are that not only is the same now coming back to bite them on the ass But the smart lawyers prosecuting and winning against Co$ ARE aware ( and have some extremely knowledgeable advisors helping in the background which weren't available at the time of the cases you so often cite) and work to pre-empt the same and to get Co$ to damn themselves when they can't - again see the original Desmond case for a prime example. The courts are increasingly putting them on notice about the same, now those smart lawyers are managing to get legally admissible proof of the same (as opposed to inadmissable speculations along the lines of EVERYONE knows or should know this - we do a similar thing here when we ask for Dox plox. Indeed you yourself with your fantastic work on The Big List set a shining example - the courts have to do the same) - not only in individual cases (hi Mary) but also linking it across cases - proving habitual use means more pre-emptive strikes like this have the grounds upon which the court can grant them. And the court is making Slappy and co pay their lolyers handsomely for the privilege of protecting this evidence from the actions of their own selves. And saving the courts from having to spend the money and costly space to do so! Jeff must have done a bang up job since not only has there been no prosecutions so far on this evidence, but this decision now also sets a precedent which not only Jeff but other lawyers can use in more cases - and cases not involving this evidence. That is massive! add to that if /when the Co$ and its bodies are declared vexatious litigants .... Death by a thousand cuts is not instantaneous! Even when Co$ implodes there will be plenty of mopping up to do. All those $cilons so well trained in Co$ tech let loose in Wog world without having to upline the $$$ ... going to be a lot more beau g types around. My cynicism doesn't allow me to think they will just turn over a new leaf on Co$'s or NN's eventual demise. Ever thought about being skeptical about your dogmatic beliefs in your skepticism? it often is easily confused with sheer pessimism and defeatism.