Narconon planning facility near Orangeville, Ontario

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  1. The Wrong Guy Member

    Rehabilitation centre for drug addicts proposed for Mono-Adjala Townline | Orangeville Citizen

    By Lindsey Papp, August 1, 2013

    Representatives from Meridian Planning (Meridian), Narconon International and Narconon Canada were greeted by a crowd of concerned citizens that filled the small meeting room in the Hockley Community and Seniors Hall Tuesday evening.

    West Coast Property Investments Inc. is looking to acquire the property at 994091 Mono-Adjala Townline, about a mile north of Hockley village on the Adjala side of the townline. Currently listed for $2.9 million, the site would house a private drug addiction recovery centre.

    “The intent of this open house is really to introduce and give you a lot of detail about what’s proposed on this property,” said Mark Stone, a Meridian Planning associate. “We’re also here to answer questions and hear the concerns.”

    Mr. Stone explained that as an urban planner, Meridian was retained by the applicant to look at the proposed land use and planning documents to assist the zoning application through the process. An application was submitted in June and it was at a meeting a couple of weeks ago that Township officials suggested that a public meeting would be a good idea. The public meeting on Tuesday was not a requirement of the Planning Act but, according to Mr. Stone, holding a meeting was advisable because of type of community and the nature of the proposal.

    “The municipality is holding onto the zoning application right now, they really haven’t started processing it because they wanted us to host this type of meeting and report back to them,” said Mr. Stone. “Then following that if they decide to go through the process they will advertise and there will be a statutory public meeting at the municipal offices with full notice and there will have to be signs on the property an so on.”

    Community questions and concerns took up the majority of the almost three-hour meeting Tuesday night.

    The property currently has five existing single detached dwellings that were built starting in the 1960’s, the last one being built in the 1980’s. There is a storage building that will continue to be used for that purpose, a large pond and a tree farm, that according to Clark Carr, President of Narconon International, they intend to continue farming.


    “The proposal is to establish addiction recovery and life skills development education centre,” said Mr. Stone. “The intent in general terms is that the main dwelling will be used as a main office. It will also have counseling rooms and education rooms. The four other single detached dwellings will continue to be used as such. They all have kitchens and bedrooms and living areas.”


    “We don’t use substitute drugs. The people who would use our program would not be on medication, they would be people who had stopped all drugs and would be doing basically an educational program,” said Mr. Carr. “People who need medical withdrawal would do it elsewhere before they came to Narconon. You cannot enroll in the Narconon program unless you are medically approved by a proper medical doctor as ready to do this program.”

    Although the presentation described a large number of Narconon programs around the world that work to integrate with the communities around them, the overwhelming feeling at Tuesday night’s meeting was, “Not here”.


    Community members were outwardly against the idea of having a corporation that was close enough to Scientology that they would have a $2.9 million property in their community.


    Narconon’s claimed 80% success rate has been described by drug experts as “simply untrue.”

    If the proposal moves forward, the zoning bylaw amendment application would be subject to the Planning Act process, giving residents ample time to comment prior to council’s decision.

    The Meridian staff were taking notes throughout the question period and are hoping to be able to provide answers to questions concerning security of the property, whether the present infrastructure can support this type of facility, and other concerns based on staffing and proper training.

    Meridian and Adjala Tosorontio Township are looking for further questions and comments from residents in order to better provide needed information.

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  2. HellRazor Member

    Lol default comment name is "Anonymous"! Also, reporter quotes Wikipedia as references in the article - deadline must have been tight.

    Good find, WrongGuy!
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  3. Random guy Member

    Luckily, the Wikipedia article is full of goodies:

    quote first sentence: Narconon is a Scientology front group.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]
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  4. DeathHamster Member

    It's somewhere along this road on the east side, but Google Maps' street numbering is messed up.

    Not too far from the Advanced Org.
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  5. HellRazor Member

    Boy, did we predict that one. Anonymous delivers!
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  6. DeathHamster Member

    I figured that they'd use the place in the area that they supposedly sold a while ago. (I still want to do a cruise-by of that place when I get the chance.)

    Bing Maps says it's here, but that's south of Hockley/Hwy 9 and that looks more like a kettle lake than a pond.

    Google Streetview blurs the street number sign, curse it!
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  7. Intelligence Member

    • Brian Collinge If this is in orangeville, I can't wait to have a protest there.
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    • David Love Shared ... AND will be contacting Mayor, Council, Media and Businesses Owners in this small town with population under 30,000. [“The proposal is to establish addiction recovery and life skills development education centre,” said Mr. Stone] SCIENTOLOGY INDOCTRINATION ROOMS!!! Grrrrr!!!
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    • Sue Ross Now this is way to close to home! Already commented on above, will see if it is posted!
      a few seconds ago · Unlike · 1
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  8. Irishgal55 Member

    Will watch this closely, would want to attend protest here for sure.
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  12. BigBeard Member

    The story claims narCONon has been a "Nationally recognized charity" since 1972, but the IRS Exempt Organization list shows the earliest exemption date for any NN as 1975. Clark Carr's memory going, or a deliberate slip to get past 40 years?

    Also, if the plan is to keep the tree farm operating, someone might want to ask if "students" who have paid $30,000+ for care will at least be paid minimum wage to work the farm?? Or is this another 'free labor' scam?

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  15. Anonymous Member

    So much complete and utter bullshit! Carr is delusional.

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  18. Random guy Member

    OK, so Carr is lying through his teeth already?
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  19. Anonymous Member

    Registration for both sites is the same so if you do it once you can comment on both copies of the article. Score.
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  21. Anonymous Member

    The site looks like it has its own guard shack.
  22. DeathHamster Member

    It looks like the property is outside the Escarpment area, so it's down to the township.
  23. Anonymous Member

    Carr Of Narcnon.png

    Here is a picture of Clark Carr, President of Narconon International, lying through his teeth.
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  24. Anonymous Member

    Mr. Narconon Canada has replied...

    *Submitted by Brad Melnychuk (not verified) on Thu, 2013-08-01 13:23.

    Narconon in Canada has been saving lives since 1971. There are a great many Ontario graduates and families of graduates who love the program and the organizations because of what it did for them.

    I know well the Narconon program and have observed the amazing changes in people's lives; in their zest for living, zest for learning and setting constructive goals, repairing past wrongs and more.

    Organizations such as Narconon do not depend on the current medical ideals, just as chiropractors don't either, nor do successful nutrition experts, but on a natural and holistic approach to improvement. And it works.
    It has worked for thousands and will will work for thousands more.

    This is a suitable property for such a facility and concerns are understood. Narconon centres have a history of uplifting the community.

    Drug dealers, if you are out there, beware of Narconon.. as that's really who should be afraid -- not the good natured citizen who is raising a family in the community. Brad Melnychuk, Caledon

    * reformatted the wall-of-words...
  25. DeathHamster Member

    Why would the drug dealers be afraid? As soon as they cut a deal with staff, they have a captive market.
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Please flag Brad's 2nd comment as he has just copy pasted his comment to push down others. Pasting the same comment twice is spam.
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  27. Intelligence Member

    Brad has been lying since: Thursday, May 30, 2002


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  28. Intelligence Member

    Just spoke to Reporter in Toronto who is doing their homework before next Story ... amazing
    how little many media outlets DON'T know about Scientology's drug rehabs, Narconon.

    Have ex-Narconon Trois-Rivieres victim willing to be interviwed.

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  29. Anonymous Member

    Flagged and critiqued the double posting.
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  30. RightOn Member

    It is amazing David how little people know about NN and how they are willing to let them set up shop without looking past their trumped up success rates. People have DIED.
    The SP Tour is so needed to spread the word
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  31. Intelligence Member

    Going to be a LONG night:

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  32. firebug Member

    Youtube video of the property

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  33. new guy Member

    If this has already been posted then apologies.

    Attached Files:

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  34. DeathHamster Member

    ^^ What a sweet place. Any one of those "cottages" would make a nice home.

    I'd hate to see what Narconon would do to the place. Fill the master bedrooms with bunkbeds?
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  36. Anonymous Member

    Sure you weren't looking at the same article on the other site? That used to have just my comment but it got deleted and there are others there now.
  37. Anonymous Member

    You are right, same article, different place.
  38. Intelligence Member

    Wire Service Canada Media Release - 08/01/2013:

    Media Release: New Narconon in Canada overwhelmingly opposed by Ontario residents

    Narconon spokesperson, Clark Carr, from Narconon International in the United States, was greeted by a crowd of concerned citizens at Mono-Adjala Townline, Ontario.

    Carr, well known for 'spin-doctoring' the real facts about Scientology's drug rehab network, Narconon, was hit with nearly 3 hours of community questions and concerns. As usual, Mr. Carr did speak to concerns but no documentation was presented at this meeting. Media Release - 08/01/2013 - When questioned about Narconon Trois-Rivieres being shut down by the Quebec Health Ministry, Carr replied: "the program was shut down because it didn't fit under the medical model of Quebec."

    However, the regional health authority in Quebec said the centre was shut down due to lack of medical supervision and no scientific basis for the treatment.

    In fact, after a lengthy investigation by the Quebec College of Physicians, in reference to Narconon's Medical Director, Dr. Pierre Labonte, the College stated on July 27, 2011:

    "As a result, we concluded that Dr. Labonte had been in breach of several of his ethical obligations by associating himself with a drug detoxification center administering treatment not scientifically recognized in current medical literature."

    Clark Carr also misleads the Mono-Adjala Townline residents by stating: "It's been in the United States for over 40 years and operated under licences and certifications and accreditations."

    MORE HERE:;func=display&amp;sid=10753

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  39. RightOn Member

    Seeing Carr's face next to the Canadian flag makes me rage.
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  40. Anonymous Member

    Carr's name is on the potential witness list in the Jeff Harris lawsuit.
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