Discussion in 'Narconon' started by Intelligence, Apr 15, 2012.
TT needs more adorable porcupines.
Love also plans to attend a protest outside Narconon Trois Rivières onApril 29 – even if its staff and residents have moved on to other locations.
O HAI, OBLATES OF MARY IMMACULATE!!!
I have a question - what effect the closing of Narconon in Quebec might or will have on other Narconons in Canada? Can't David now go and file similar complaints in Calgary or wherever else Narconons exist in Canada? They all use the same techniques. The precedent has been set already that Narconon is not a valid facility. Shouldn't authorities of other Canadian states investigate Narconons in their area of jurisdiction? I'm trying to ask what will it take for the closing of Narconon in Canada to become a federal thing.
Who is the man who would give his life for brother man?
"He might take you down, but he'll never let you down."........
Given? Seems unlikely.
Dox are being prepared for Alberta and in discussions today about NN Arrowhead. If they open
in Ontario, dox will be filed to authorities forthwith. Already filed with Ontario College of Physicians
against two scilon pro-NN physicians.
Narconon Arrowhead: (New Thread)
Good question(s). Canada has Provinces, not States.
The Federal Government allows the Provinces to control their own destinies on a number of different social issues, especially with regard to Public Education and Health/Medical issues.
What happens in one Province may not fit with how another Province is governing situations. I.e., the laws of one Province may differ substantially from that of another.
"Authorities" of other Provinces can't open investigations based upon what happened in a separate Province, unless there are complaints made directly to the authorities in that particular Province.
To remove Narconon from the face of the earth that is Canada would require a separate initiative in each and every one of the Provinces and Territories.
What David has done is create a model and a template, that could be exploited in other Provinces. In many ways, David is leading the way, but everything he's been involved with, vis-à-vis Quebec, has been entirely within that Provincial Jurisdiction.
Entirely different rules will be in play in different jurisdictions.
Unlikely? They had a closet FULL of cases of these books. Other grads reveived them too.
They were donated from the COS, of course that was after NN TR donated $20,000.00 to
the Montreal COS
i'mglib just posted this vid of Scientologist Ed Dearborne bragging about duping the Santa Ana police deputy chief about the wonderful benefits of Narconon. It's time for the U. S. to take Narconon's abusive crimes and their expoitation of addicts with false promises of over 70% success rates for their LRH Quack-science Scientology program seriously.
Here's the books:
I still have them.
In practice, it gets complicated. For example, the Ontario provincial government has complete authority to recognize (or not) religions in the province. However, they second that authority by requiring charity status from the (federal) Canada Revenue Agency.
Ahh! You might not have paid for them directly, but someone else certainly did! (And that someone else might have been you...)
It's only had one (1) view??? Is there a link or contact info of this event?
Oh' ya, and paid big time in one way or another.
Sorry, I'm late commenting on this thread. I just saw it tonight (yeah, I was offline for a few days.)First, congratulations Dave on your victory! It's great to see that you are still charging ahead to finish the job.
I read in one of the articles (the one with interviews with ex-employees of NNTR) that at least one student is confirmed to be transferred to NN Calgary. Time to poon the media there.
Giving away books that staff could have been regged for is out-exchange.
No wonder their stats suck.
NN Arrowhead is in Oklahoma, US.
But do you guys know what the nearest town is? :[
Look it up.
Intel/Shaw/GuyFox/Jacky: you suppress them without even trying. That's not fair. :[
It was management practising medicine without a license! The staff knew nothing!! Give us our money!!!
Seriously, I think the staff will find that maybe $cientology doesn't work too good after all when real questions (rather than : "do you feel butthurt?") start getting asked. I mean, an "ethics officer" - what's that, in a medical treatment?
Go get 'em!
Charity is out-exchange in Scientology. Good reason not to give the organization in any of its forms charitable status.
For those staff that didn't get paid for 7 weeks, here's a thread from last year.
Current advertised California Narconon Staff salaries
do any of these NN publications go through the mail in the US?
If so... can't a trumped up success rate be grounds for the FTC to get involved?
No, that would be the jurisdiction of the USPS - the US Postal Service.
how can the FTC get involved too?
The event has already taken place. The Scientology dupes the Santa Ana police dept. about Narconon's successs vid was saved and mirrored by anon (for great justice).
Ed Dearrborne is a real piece of work.
He appears on the OC "filing" vids wear he lies about how there will be a ton of people coming Easter weekend to help file at the OC org and that there was going to be "tons of food and music".
Then the vids from Easter weekend showed how much of a liar he was.
Proof of false advertising, e.g., success rates, covered by insurance, etc., across state lines.
that is what I said in the previous post.
trumped up success rates should get the FTC inerested
Trumped up success rates through the mail would be the USPS Postal Inspectors. Trumped up success rates across state lines via other means, e.g., internet, e-mail, phone calls, would be the FTC, and possibly the FCC in some instances.
hmmmm these may be a juicy avenues to go down!
So if the Canadian Feds shut down Narconon TR for failure to certify, and if Narconons all over Canada have the same practices, will the Canadian Feds be shutting down Narconons all over Canada? Are they investigating?
The "feds" didn't shut down NN TR. The Quebecois government did.
So what needs to happen is make other provincial governments aware of the problem, so they can investigate and shut down the rest of the scammy scammers Canada-wide. I don't know what it would take to get the Feds involved, but imagine it would be somewhat more difficult than the strategies pursued so far.
Sorry, in American schools they don't teach us how to Canada. It is a shame, really.
Health care is a provincial responsibility so while it is a good precedent it needs to be exported to other provinces.
The key thing here was that Quebec started requiring a certification process for treatment centres. If they hadn't implemented that it might have been trickier for the province to step in and shut it down. I suspect the regulatory framework is quite variable. I'm not surprised that the other Canadian facility is in Alberta, which is kind of Texas North in a lot of respects.
Though trying to replicate the provincial college of physicians ruling so that other provincial organizations bar their members from participating in this treatment program would be an excellent start.
I'ze just sittin' here knittin' in mah rocker awaitin' the announcement of some criminal charges.
Can someone update Wikipedia with this news?
Incase the cop does not get it
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