Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by Anonymous, Dec 23, 2011.
This, from the French Parliamentary Report on Cults of 1995, in unofficial translation
Would that be useful in Wikipedia?
bump for progress-report?
Ackerland, if you don't have time/energy to do this, then please say so, and we'll open the field for volunteers again.
sorry, i still have this on the back of my mind and will do this
For the wikiheads... looking through your contribs, Thilo, and came across this interesting edit that you reversed. Apparently UserictorialEvidence is editing from a CofS computer and did not notice that his proxy filter blocked the term "Xenu" in the article as he was editting it and replaced it with "_vetted_". Whoops.
"PictorialEvidence" is likely a sock-puppet of blocked user Shutterbug, who has been caught by exactly that filter mistake before.
Well, check the article out again. I have completely removed the Dr. Root section, because the only reference is to some alternatives medicines books which says Dr. Root made this study and claims such and such etc... without a reference to a peer reviewed publication whatsoever.
Also, I added the fact that the Cicchiani study was funded directly by able + proof for it.
Original article had:
Current article has:
You win this shirt:
Shirt no longer available. Enjoy this instead:
It is not difficult to argue the removal of that section. The sources for that were just too thin. A book about arthritis self-help? Seriously?
A challenger appears...
Somehow the idea of allowing "legal" sockpuppets on Scientology articles strikes me as a very bad idea, and I question whether anyone has approved this.
Thimbleweed seems to be referencing an edit dine by Scifilover386 that removed a whole section describing the TR8 due to asshattry over sources. Could be interesting.
He writes in his user profile that his sockpuppet was authorized. Maybe he really got the okay from arbcom. Also, he does not seem to follow a pro-Scientology agenda. So this is cool with me.
Not sure if this will help from http://www.religio.de/therapie/sc/narcon.html an evaluation was request by the California Department of Health.
The first five TR's (0-4) must be mastered in their entirety
three times before proceeding to TR6. (We were informed that no
TR5 existed.) TR6 involves "good and effective control over an
individual or group"' TR7 -- the same as TR6 but on a higher
"gradient" which presumably means physical control over a
threatening or disturbed individual. TR8 involves "intention
without reservation" -- to totally clarify ones intentions (which
may be nonverbal). TR9 is a culmination of previous TR's and
stresses particularly the thorough mastery of four conceptions,
i.e. "exact intention," "exact strength needed," "exact force
necessary," and "exact intention without reservation or limit."
The student now goes backwards through this routine and if
successful is given a certificate of completion for the basic
Narconon Communication Course. Upon completion of the basic
Communication Course the student is apparently free to choose any
number of more "advanced" course study programs, most of which
appear to be stepping stones towards the attainment of HQS
(Hubbard Qualified Scientologist) status. We were told that
approximately 90 percent of the students go on into the various
courses available. A Mr. John Powers, who stated he is the new
staff auditor for Narconon New Life, states that he hoped all
graduates of the basic Narconon Communications Course would take
courses leading to HQS.
It was very ambiguous to us, due to conflicting statements,
exactly how the E-meter auditing and the Post-Basic Narconon
courses related. It seemed clear enough, however, that the
E-meter was routinely used in many if not all of the courses and
it was implied that this device was used at least occasionally in
the Basic Narconon Communication Course.
e. Training: There is a seven week provisional period for staff
after course completion during which they work and receive
additional training before they begin getting paid. According to
the director of Narconon New Life and director of Narconon U.S.
an additional requirement for Narconon staff members responsible
for using an E-meter to audit student progress, is that they be a
recognized minister in the Church of Scientology.
Speaking of wiki articles, there seems to be something missing from these
This is the last paragraph of the "21st Century" section:
Even though there's a whole section further down about Narconon Trois-Rivieres being closed down, a mention of that fact also needs to be added to this section.
The website appear to out of commission. Anyone knows what happened?
Since the narcodex.ca site is gone since 2009 (although the domain is still owned by ABLE), should that section even exist?
bump for new edits, which Anons may wish to peruse/improve/whatever.
The additions look good, and with a neutral point of view.
cool. free free to improve or even make them more-NPOV if needed.
Heh. I can't touch articles which are broadly Scientology related.
bumpiness for moar editing.
This is improving, though there are enough references to make the last part of that sentence be more specific:
yes indeed. consider it a work-in-progress right now.
/r/ links to authorative sources...
This is nice!
What would be nice is dox showing some of the new names they are starting to use, so that Wikipedia can be updated with alternative names (and redirects from said names).
That would require a third-party reliable source that talks about the alternative names. (i.e. a newspaper story.)
The first line of this article says it all:
Narconon is a Scientology front group.
The Wikipedia article may be one of the best defenses. It floats to the top in a google search.
Since this requires vigilant monitoring, maybe it should be a sticky.
thanks Jens, it's in.
Won't a primary source do to cover simple facts?
Joint investigation into the death of Patrick Desmond (not in the wikipedia article yet)
That page mentions a story by Christian Boone but I don't see it on ajc.com yet:
WSB (radio/tv) Narconon Georgia investigation archive
(growing) list of tv, radio, print & legal PDFs
Useful research is useful.
Please add sources on this thread or at
Very imformative Wiki site - - Hope more to be added as cases unfold; especially
the Quebec Human rights Commission investigating NN TR, ABLE Canada, ABLE Int.,
NN Int., the COS Montreal, COS California, and DM - - all named.
Coms from QHRC last month indicate we are nearing Report and decision Phase of
whether or not cases will proceed to Court-Hearings? I expect they will, but you never
know with this insideous cult?
oh yes. still a work in progress.
please post sources, particularly mainstream media and government ones, as and when available.
A laughable attempt by a Scientologist to alter the first paragraph of the article:
Reverted of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Narconon&diff=526643969&oldid=526643589
Keep an eye out for less idiotic attempts.
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