National Association of Forensic Counselors vs. Narconon

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by sallysock, May 18, 2014.

  1. sallysock Member

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  2. tinfoilhatter Member

    Well, well, well. That is not going to be pretty. I hope little davy has enough lawyers now. That group has some heavy connections to the justice department.


    this may explain the renewed interest into their tax agreement that we are seeing, as there is a known connection to narconon and scientology. Remember kiddies when the federal government does strike they strike from every angle and from every front.

    end tinfoil\

    This may have been what david love was hinting at, i hope not though, because it would be ultra lulzy if they got hit with multiple lawsuits and court cases all at once.

    If they were smart(they are not, they are actually fucking retarded) then they would put all OSA operations on hold, because chances are, lots of lawyers and agencies are monitoring them. and anything un-ethical or illegal that they do, will only make matters worse for them.
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  3. tinfoilhatter Member


    Its far far far worse then i could ever have imagined:):):)

    They are suing the HEADS of the narconons too, somebodies gonna sing for sure!!!!!!!!! Its like they systematically hunted down anyone that could be held responsible and sued them.

    This is disturbingly big. This is the type of lawsuit that takes a decade to plan out. Something is going on here. Buy popcorn, cause the lulz are coming.
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  4. sallysock Member

    Defendant: Narconon International, Narconon of Oklahoma, Inc., Narconon of Georgia, Inc., Pita Group, Inc., Narconon - Hawaii, Friends of Narconon Intl., Narconon of Northern California, Premazon, Inc., Intervention Services and Technologies, Inc., Narconon Spring Hill, Inc., Best Drug Rehabilitation.Inc., A Life Worth Living, Inc., Narconon Fresh Start, Inc., Narconon South Texas, Inc., Narconon Eastern United States, Inc., Association for Better Living and Education International, Religious Technology Center, Narconon Trois-Rivieres, Narconon Freedom Center, Inc., Narconon London, Narconon, Incorporated, Golden Millennium Productions, Inc., International Academy of Detoxification Specialists, The Virtual Workforce Co., Ltd.,, GreatCircle Studios, LLC, Church of Scientology International, Royalmark Management, Inc., Gary W. Smith, Derry Hallmark, Rebecca Pool, Janet Watkins, Tom Widman, Vicki Smith, Michael Otto, Michael J. Gosselin, Kathy Gosselin, Michael George, Kent McGregor, James McLaughlin, Robert Newman, Joseph Sauceda, Robert J. Hernandez, Robert Wiggins, Jonathan Beazley, Nicholas Bailey, Joseph Guernaccini, Kevin Lee, Sharon Kubacki, Philip R. Kelly, II, Thomas Garcia, Jason Burdge, Steven K. Bruno, Clark Carr, Dena G. Goad, Michael DiPalma, D. Eric Mitchell, Shana Austin, Nick Hayes, Scott Burgess,
    David Miscavige,
    Tibor Palatinus, Sylvain Fournier, Nicholas Thiel, David S. Lee, Richard Hawk, Marcel Gemme, Mary Rieser, Anthony Bylsma, Kenneth H. Pomerance, Richer Dumais, James Woodworth, Carl Smith, Desiree Cardoso, Jonathan Moretti, Michael St. Amand, Cheryl Williams, Marc Bernard, Glen Petcavage, Martin Gamsby, Daphna Hernandez and Luria K. Dion


    Nature of Suit: Trademark
    LOL, Again.
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  5. RightOn Member

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  6. Ersatz Global Moderator

    Cause of action: Trademark
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  7. sallysock Member

    The names, right? For some reason, I can't stop laughing. Them being sued for trademark?
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  8. tinfoilhatter Member

    its claims to be a trademark lawsuit. This is going to be interesting. lots of dox about to hit the public domain.

    Something tells me this is going to become a fraud investigation REAL FAST.
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  9. RightOn Member

    Thanks Ers
    ahh so perhaps NN said they were accredited by this company when they weren't?
    And used their logo or something in their fake stats?
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  10. RavenEyes Member

    RFC Case Number: T-N14-187N
    Court Case Number: 6:14-cv-00187-KEW
    File Date: Friday, May 16, 2014
    Plaintiff: National Association of Forensic Counselors, Inc.
    American Academy of Certified Forensic Counselors, Inc.
    Plaintiff Counsel: Sloane R. Lile, Heidi L. Shadid, David R. Keesling of Richardson Richardson Boudreaux Keesling
    Defendant: Narconon International
    Narconon of Oklahoma, Inc.
    Narconon of Georgia, Inc.
    Pita Group, Inc.
    Narconon - Hawaii
    Friends of Narconon Intl.
    Narconon of Northern California
    Premazon, Inc.
    Intervention Services and Technologies, Inc.
    Narconon Spring Hill, Inc.
    Best Drug Rehabilitation.Inc.
    A Life Worth Living, Inc.
    Narconon Fresh Start, Inc.
    Narconon South Texas, Inc.
    Narconon Eastern United States, Inc.
    Association for Better Living and Education International
    Religious Technology Center
    Narconon Trois-Rivieres
    Narconon Freedom Center, Inc.
    Narconon London
    Narconon, Incorporated
    Golden Millennium Productions, Inc.
    International Academy of Detoxification Specialists
    The Virtual Workforce Co., Ltd.
    GreatCircle Studios, LLC
    Church of Scientology International
    Royalmark Management, Inc.
    Gary W. Smith
    Derry Hallmark
    Rebecca Pool
    Janet Watkins
    Tom Widman
    Vicki Smith
    Michael Otto
    Michael J. Gosselin
    Kathy Gosselin
    Michael George
    Kent McGregor
    James McLaughlin
    Robert Newman
    Joseph Sauceda
    Robert J. Hernandez
    Robert Wiggins
    Jonathan Beazley
    Nicholas Bailey
    Joseph Guernaccini
    Kevin Lee
    Sharon Kubacki
    Philip R. Kelly, II
    Thomas Garcia
    Jason Burdge
    Steven K. Bruno
    Clark Carr
    Dena G. Goad
    Michael DiPalma
    D. Eric Mitchell
    Shana Austin
    Nick Hayes
    Scott Burgess
    David Miscavige
    Tibor Palatinus
    Sylvain Fournier
    Nicholas Thiel
    David S. Lee
    Richard Hawk
    Marcel Gemme
    Mary Rieser
    Anthony Bylsma
    Kenneth H. Pomerance
    Richer Dumais
    James Woodworth
    Carl Smith
    Desiree Cardoso
    Jonathan Moretti
    Michael St. Amand
    Cheryl Williams
    Marc Bernard
    Glen Petcavage
    Martin Gamsby
    Daphna Hernandez
    Luria K. Dion
    Cause: 15:1121 Trademark Infringement
    Court: Oklahoma Eastern District Court
    Magistrate Judge Kimberly E. West

    Date # Docket Text
    5/16/2014 6 ATTORNEY APPEARANCE by Sloane Ryan Lile on behalf of All Plaintiffs (Lile, Sloane) (Entered: 05/16/2014)
    5/16/2014 5 ATTORNEY APPEARANCE by Heidi L. Shadid on behalf of All Plaintiffs (Shadid, Heidi) (Entered: 05/16/2014)
    5/16/2014 4 ATTORNEY APPEARANCE by David R. Keesling on behalf of All Plaintiffs (Keesling, David) (Entered: 05/16/2014)
    5/16/2014 3 COMPLAINT with Jury Demand against All Defendants (paid $400 filing fee; receipt number 1086-767113) by National Association of Forensic Counselors, Inc., American Academy of Certified Forensic Counselors, Inc. (Keesling, David) (Entered: 05/16/2014)
    5/16/2014 2 MINUTE ORDER by Court Clerk. Plaintiff is directed to add the case number to the Complaint, file the document and either pay the $400 filing fee within 7 days or file a Motion for Informa Pauperis. NOTE: The court cannot issue summons until the filing fee is paid. Civil Summons may be issued electronically. Prepare the summons using the court's PDF version and email it to Consent forms provided to filing party (Filing Fee due by 5/23/2014) (pjw, Deputy Clerk) (Entered: 05/16/2014)
    5/16/2014 1 CIVIL COVER SHEET(pjw, Deputy Clerk) (Entered: 05/16/2014)
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  11. Ersatz Global Moderator

    I find the irony delicious.
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  12. Random guy Member

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  13. sallysock Member

    David Love's vs. Narconon is here:
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  14. Random guy Member

    Narconon Inc -> Narconon International -> ABLE -> CSI -> RTC -> Miscavige

    Seems like someone's been doing their homework.
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  15. anon8109 Member

    Trademark violation?

    Doesn't sound too serious compared with say fraud or reckless endangerment.

    It's always good news when the criminally convicted Scientology corporation gets in legal trouble, but I'm hoping for more than this.
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  16. Probably connected to this

  17. rickybobby Member

    Still lulzy that THEY are getting skewered for Trademark violation for a change. Mmmmmmm delicious irony.
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  18. sallysock Member

    Yes. Lot's of info in that thread. Thanks.
    An article from TO in Feb 2013:

    An hour ago, Tony Ortega posted this on Facebook:

    BREAKING: Narconon's staff certifications are in jeopardy after an investigation has been launched by the National Association of Forensic Counselors. The NAFC is reacting to a new whistleblower, Eric Tenorio, who says Narconon staffers fraudulently obtained credentials -- and he's backed up by Luke Catton. And yes, Gary Smith's own certification may get yanked!

    Narconon Staff Certifications in Jeopardy After New Whistleblower Comes Forward « The Underground Bunker


    We spoke earlier today with Karla Taylor of the National Association of Forensic Counselors, who sounded furious that Narconon websites are misusing the NAFC’s logo and are giving the appearance that the NAFC has accredited Narconon’s program, which is not the case.

    She has also received a formal complaint alleging that Narconon employees fraudulently obtained individual certifications as Certified Chemical Dependency Counselors (CCDC). Taylor says she is taking the complaint very seriously and that several Narconon employees have already been sent revocation notices, and she’ll be investigating the rest of Narconon’s CCDC certifications.

    “I take this extremely seriously. The integrity of this organization is of the utmost importance. There’s a zero tolerance policy for any mendacious claim of any kind, and I have no intention to let this slide by,” she says.

    Although Taylor did not identify the complainant, Eric Tenorio tells us he’s the one who alerted NAFC that its logo and certifications were being used improperly by Narconon.

    Tenorio got involved with Narconon in 1996 at its first Oklahoma facility, in Chilocco. He eventually became the executive director of a Narconon center in Michigan. He left Scientology in 2010, and only this week began speaking out about what he’d seen in his years at Narconon.

    There's lots more, and open comments, at
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  19. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Their tears..... will go great with a shot of tequilla :p
    For many years sci-cult has used deception to try and gain some sort of credibility in mainstream society by playing chameleon, using their resources to appear similar to actual accredited, effectual programs of all sorts. Cult has been doing this since it's inception, and its crowning achievement was playing the 'religion' card after it gained its 'charitable' (bwahahaha) status.
    I love the Lrony of it all :p
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  20. sallysock Member

    And this follow up article from Feb 2013:
    Tony Ortega wrote this today:

    Yesterday, we reported that Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon, is the subject of yet another investigation, this one regarding the credentials of its staff members. The National Association of Forensic Counselors is looking into allegations that Narconon employees improperly received Certified Chemical Dependency Counselors (CCDC) credentials. Specifically, two former Narconon officials have come forward to say that they were given answers before taking exams by the test proctor, a man named Kent McGregor.

    McGregor’s involvement with Narconon goes back many years. Carnegie Mellon University professor David Touretzky has been watching McGregor for much of that time, and made us aware of a page he’s assembled about McGregor. We encourage you to give it a look for a more full picture about this interesting character.

    Source, and comments:
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  21. Intelligence Member

    Well - FUCK a DUCK and Touch Me ... I LOVE THIS THREAD!!!

    The timing is incredible.

    Let's see if we can get this up on Google News - Narconon searches with a couple Wire Service
    and Cult Examiner stories by tomorrow night? :D

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  22. anon8109 Member

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  23. Intelligence Member

    April 27, 2013 - Recorded voice message "Here you go David Miscavige, you and your OSA Goon Squad can suck on this Entheta for a while." Scientology's drug rehabs, Narconon, are facing big troubles around the globe for fraud, civil conspiracy, wrongful deaths, and trading drugs to patients in exchange for sex.

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  24. anon8109 Member

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  25. anon8109 Member

    Ahhh the memories...

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  26. Intelligence Member

    BULL-SHIT! -- Mods -- Please delete this after an hour or so as not to Derail thread,
    but I have the ORIGINAL - FUCK-A-DUCK-TOUCH-ME video ... LMAO:D

    June 3, 2012 - Scientologist harasses and pushes David Love in front of Montreal Scientology.

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  27. tinfoilhatter Member

    This is not something that should be taken lightly. This lawsuit has the potential to be an apocalyptic event for the cult.There is a reason why it is being pursued as a "trademark violation":
    "a company that accuses one of its competitors of false advertising,"
    The false advertising was the misuse of the National association of forensic counselors, a trade group's trademark symbol to insinuate certification. This is a huge legal no no. Not only is this a civil case, but it is now a UCC civil case, so if the lawyers can trace it back to the cult successfully, then the "freedom of religion" card gets tossed right out the window.

    worse still, this is most likely an lanham act case.
    What does this mean? It means that scilon "delay delay delay" legal tech will not work here, because this is a lamnham act case. they will on the hook for ALL the legal fees.

    What's more, because they have misused accreditation and symbols from the National association of forensic counselors, ALL former patients who relapsed or died, or have complaints about the facility, can file consumer complaint lawsuits.

    This is super ugly, because in many states, you get TRIPLE DAMAGES, and the defrauded consumers do not have to file a class action lawsuit. Even if they settle, because they fraudulently used the associations symbols, and because there are reports of their counselors getting fraudulent certifications, they have committed a very serious fraud, and are liable for the damages. So a settlement will not help them on this front.

    No, team scilon has to win this case, otherwise narconon will be the largest legal liability in the cult's history.
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  28. Intelligence Member

    I AGREE! This is indeed, a very serious matter for the Cult and Davey-Boy will
    be changing Diapers often now. *Tick-Tock* -- It's GETTING YOUR BALLS SQUEEZED time, DM:oops:
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  29. TorontosRoot Member

    Epic damage is epic. You fucked up CULT!! ;)

    Nao yew will paye!
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  30. rickybobby Member

    They have totally fucked themselves on the "freedom of religion" aspect with their admissions in Mosey Rathbun's case. They have admitted that they were protecting their intellectual property in harassing Marty and Ms. Rathbun, thus negating the expression of religion defense. They cannot simultaneously claim that they are a religion that deserves protection and that they are a business that deserves protection of their trademarks. They have declared themselves in that case to be a BUSINESS protecting their intellectual property. They made their choice, now they have to live with it.
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  31. elar aitch Member

    Damn. No Per Wickstrom.
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  32. tinfoilhatter Member

    There will be multiple repercussions from that case too. They never sent a cease and desist order, instead they did stupid crazy shit, so that "trademark protection" defense is also thrown out the window.

    I had a long TL rant to go on this, but i will save that for later.

    They are boned on this. When they lose/settle, all the lawyers will start hunting down narconon patintens for that sweet, sweet, consumer fraud money.

    this is going to make the Arizona lawsuit much much easier now.
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  33. nevarmore Member

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  34. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Ain't that the truth eh, one of the major Hubbard paradox, and I am sure the old tub of drunken lard agonized for years how to meld it all into one small pill... so not sorry about his luck.. and now the smaller, slicker, weaselier version will spend fortunes trying to re-connect the spaghetti back together again, add spice, wash the plates blah-blather.
    The specter of any 'Religious corporation' is frightening on its own, the mutation in any form is repugnant to any sensible peoples imho. In their own culty terminology they are trying to wear two hats on a tiny head, all the while pepper-spraying the eyes of the world.
    Fuckity-fuck them imho.
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  35. Tony Ortega now has the story.

    Scientology’s drug rehab network sued for conspiring to misuse counseling credentials

    NAFC vs Narconon: Complaint
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  36. TorontosRoot Member

  37. snippy Member

  38. If Narconon lose this case will the floodgates be open for former clients of Narconon to sue for fraud, demanding refunds and compensation
  39. DeathHamster Member

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  40. Random guy Member

    No, he's plaid the name-game quite successfully. I think he'll have to be taken down in a separate case.

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