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National Association of Forensic Counselors vs. Narconon

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by sallysock, May 18, 2014.

  1. fishypants Moderator

    Mary, thanks for all this interesting info, and for all your fantastic work at RftTP.

    I'm a bit confused about this:

    If his certification was expired and his website still showed him as certified when he wasn't in fact certified any more, then how was his certification 'not in question'?

    Maybe I'm confused and the pronoun 'his' is referring to someone other than Lee in one of those two sentences.


    If I were in NAFC's shoes then I'd go for maximum pain to everyone involved, not to get damages from them but to deter other people in the future from misusing or fraudulently NAFC's certifications.

    The reputation of its certifications is its strongest asset by far (so far as I know) so clearly NAFC would want anyone who in future is thinking of fraudulently claiming certification to believe that the NAFC will pursue them to the ends of the earth and sow the ground with salt behind them. IYSWIM.

    If NAFC lets anyone get the impression that they can claim certification fraudulently and expect anything other than the Ride of the Valkyries, then (IMO) the NAFC might as well close down their business today.

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  2. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology leader David Miscavige gets in just under the wire in NAFC lawsuit

    On September 23, we told you about the struggles of a process server who was trying to serve a lawsuit on Scientology leader David Miscavige. Despite the best efforts of the security guards at the Hollywood Guaranty Building to keep the process server from getting anywhere near Miscavige, he managed to succeed under California law by making three attempts and then mailing a copy to the Scientology honcho.

    The clock then began ticking for Miscavige to do something after all the time he’s spent ignoring the lawsuit filed in May by the National Association of Forensic Counselors.

    The NAFC accuses Miscavige and Scientology of a years-long conspiracy to misuse the credentialing organization’s logos and certifications in order to make Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon, appear more legitimate than it is. The lawsuit names 82 defendants, and since the suit was filed in federal court in Oklahoma, those defendants have been scrambling to get representation and file motions to dismiss or “special appearances.” In the latter, a defendant argues that the court has no jurisdiction over them.

    And that’s what Miscavige did yesterday on his last possible day to submit some kind of response after being served last month. Besides filing a notice that he was entering a special appearance, Miscavige also asked for a time extension so that he could provide a more complete response on October 31.

    We wonder if what Miscavige will file that day will look something like his response in another special appearance, which he submitted as a defendant in the harassment lawsuit filed by Monique Rathbun in Texas. Miscavige argued that he should be let out of the suit because he had nothing to do with Monique’s harassment, and because he had no business dealings in Texas.

    It will be tougher for Miscavige to argue that he had no business dealings in Oklahoma, because that’s where the flagship facility of the Narconon network is, Narconon Arrowhead. But his attorneys usually come up with something creative. It should be a fun trick or treat.

    Continued here:
    http://tonyortega.org/2014/10/17/sc...-gets-in-just-under-the-wire-in-nafc-lawsuit/
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  3. RightOn Member

    snake
    title should be "David Miscavige Emerged from Under his Rock and Slithered in Under the Wire"
    fucking coward
    Stand up and speak for yourself you little shit! I said stand up!
    oh! he was standing :D
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  4. The Wrong Guy Member

    RIFFER MADNESS: Scientology leader David Miscavige goes smeary in new court filing

    Scientology leader David Miscavige has filed a motion to get himself dismissed from the massive lawsuit filed by the National Association of Forensic Counselors against Scientology and its drug rehab network, Narconon. But unlike the many other similar motions filed in the case, this is far from a routine legal document, and it includes a short declaration by the reclusive church leader himself.

    We told you recently about the NAFC’s interesting adventures trying to serve Miscavige, who was one of 82 defendants named in the lawsuit along with many people who work at Narconon centers and related entities. The NAFC’s lawsuit alleges that Miscavige and the other defendants were involved in a years-long conspiracy to misuse the logos and trademarks of the NAFC in order to make the Narconon centers seem more legitimate than they really are — and all in an attempt to sucker new people ultimately into Scientology itself.

    As we expected, Miscavige is responding to the lawsuit by saying that he has nothing to do with the state of Oklahoma, where the lawsuit was filed. But for the first time, we see in a filing from Scientology or Narconon’s attorneys a somewhat vicious and smeary attack on the NAFC and its president, Karla Taylor. And it comes courtesy of one of Scientology’s most colorful litigators — Jeffrey K. Riffer.

    Continued here:
    http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/06/ri...id-miscavige-goes-smeary-in-new-court-filing/
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  5. RightOn Member

    SubGenius's comment was spot on...
    "David Miscavige is the leader of a "world wide" religion except for the states he gets sued in"
    :D
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  6. Anonymous Member

    Miss Fortune has published another epic report on Per "Purr" Wickstrom's NN scams.

    http://glisteningquiveringunderbell...Underbelly (Glistening, Quivering Underbelly)

    Miss Fortune has learned Indiana’s Division of Mental Health and Addiction conditionally certified Wickstrom's much anticipated South Bend facility, now called “Choices Recovery,” for one year, (effective November 1, 2014), as an Addiction Services Regular Provider.

    Indiana's approval is conditional upon Choices Recovery receiving accreditation from the Commission on the Accreditation of Rehabilitation Facilities (CARF).

    A spokesperson confirmed in an email to Miss Fortune that Choices Recovery has applied for CARF accreditation but has not received it yet.

    HEY, RANDY RICHARDVILLE, WE'RE OPEN IN SOUTH BEND...OOPS!

    Wickstrom initially applied for Indiana approval in early 2013 under the name "Tranquility Detox", seeking a license for the facility located at 3606 E. Jefferson Boulevard in South Bend.

    Although the application process stalled and eventually went off the rails, it didn't prevent Wickstrom from bragging in a series of videos nearly a year ago that he'd "just opened up" in South Bend.

    After his deception was revealed on this blog, Wickstrom quickly edited the video and removed his South Bend comment.

    AROUND THE BEND IN SOUTH BEND: SCIENTOLOGY & NARCONON CREEPS IN ON "PURR" WICKSTROM'S LITTLE CAT FEET

    Wickstrom is one of 82 named defendants in a massive trademark violation lawsuit filed on May 16 in US District Court in Oklahoma's Eastern District by the National Association of Forensic Counselors, Inc. (NAFC) and the American Academy of Certified Forensic Counselors, Inc. (AACFC).

    According to court documents, the case "emanates from Defendants’ theft of Plaintiffs’ logos, trademarks, certifications and established business reputation in order to bait vulnerable victims into the Scientology religion."

    NAFC and AACFC operate a certification board for forensic counselors, and have established a series of standards, skills, training and competencies required for professionals working with criminal offenders in addictions to enhance the delivery of safe and effective treatment.

    This lawsuit involves the misappropriation and misuse of logos, trademarks, certifications, and established business reputation by the defendants for the purposes of marketing Narconon programs for profits and promoting the Church of Scientology.

    Best Drug Rehabilitation, Inc. was added to the complaint based upon its "specific role as a player in the conspiracy to utilize Plaintiffs’ logos, trademarks, certifications, and established business reputation to attract individuals into the Narconon Network and, consequently, the Church of Scientology."

    A recent response filed by the NAFC in the case reserves some of its harshest language for Per Wickstrom. The document accuses Wickstrom's Best Drug Rehabilitation of operating "a confusing scheme of corporations in an attempt to launder their ties to Narconon, the Church of Scientology and the use of L. Ron Hubbard’s technologies."

    It goes on to state that despite Best Drug Rehabilitation's "self-serving affidavit attempting to claim otherwise", Best Drug cannot escape the reality of its ties to Narconon.

    On one side of the mouth, Best Drug makes the statement that it “is not operating as part of any Narconon Network run by Narconon International.” However, the same paragraph contradicts its self-serving statement when Best Drug admits its use of the Narconon materials.

    Best Drug claims to operate through a separate corporation named My Best Drug Rehabilitation, Inc., which licenses training materials called “Narconon Book 1” from Narconon International, and then utilizes Best Drug’s facilities to teach classes using the Narconon training.

    Best Drug Rehabilitation's founder, Per Wickstrom, posted a series of videos on Best Drug’s official YouTube channel which contradict an affidavit attached to its motion to dismiss.

    And here's where it gets funny—the NAFC's response featured the unintentionally hilarious "Purr" Wickstrom video.

    In addition to being called "Purr" instead of "Per" by interviewer Ingrid Kelley, Wickstrom demonstrates a singular mix of petulance and defiance that hasn't been seen on screen since Pee-Wee Herman (before the weight gain), claiming that his "personal beliefs have nothing to do with the beliefs that I teach at my rehabilitation centers."

    Kelley had deftly set it up, telling Wickstrom that there are "some reports about you being a Scientologist, and actually using your centers as recruitment tools. Would you like to respond to those allegations?"

    He pauses and continues: "I am a Scientologist. What religion are you?"

    [Way moar fun at the link...]

    http://glisteningquiveringunderbell...Underbelly (Glistening, Quivering Underbelly)
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  7. Narconon files class action lawsuit against National Association of Forensic Counselors.

    Tony Ortega: Classic Scientology shenanigans as class action lawsuit is filed against legal opponent NAFC
    http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/14/cl...lawsuit-is-filed-against-legal-opponent-nafc/

    * * * * * BEGIN EXCERPT * * * * *

    Yesterday, the National Association of Forensic Counselors filed a pointed response to Scientology leader David Miscavige’s motion to dismiss himself from the NAFC’s massive 82-defendant federal lawsuit against the church and its drug rehab network, Narconon.

    As we told you earlier, Miscavige’s motion had been written by one of Scientology’s most colorful legal voices, Jeffrey K. Riffer, who made a name for himself writing bombastic, over-the-top letters to Vanity Fair and CNN in which he made his client, Miscavige, sound more holy than the saints in heaven. And the motion also contained a smeary attack on the NAFC’s president, Karla Taylor, which we expected NAFC attorney David Keesling to answer rather forcefully.

    He did do that, but in his response, Keesling also referred to a stunning new development: On October 6, Clark Carr, the president of Narconon International (pictured above and characterized as a “Miscavige lackey” by Keesling), quietly filed a class action lawsuit against the NAFC and Taylor in Los Angeles Superior Court, claiming fraud and alleging that his fellow (unnamed) victims number in the untold hundreds.

    * * * * * END EXCERPT * * * * *


    NAFC vs. Narconon: Clark Carr Class Action against NAFC
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/24655170...nst-NAFC?secret_password=z4NsOgluykWxgA7TKr5o
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  8. The Wrong Guy Member

    Classic Scientology shenanigans as class action lawsuit is filed against legal opponent NAFC

    Wasn’t it just yesterday we made the point that Scientology is incapable of evolving into a more benign form?

    For you connoisseurs of classic Scientology legal chicanery, you’re going to love the full body and complex flavors of this vintage.

    Yesterday, the National Association of Forensic Counselors filed a pointed response to Scientology leader David Miscavige’s motion to dismiss himself from the NAFC’s massive 82-defendant federal lawsuit against the church and its drug rehab network, Narconon.

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/14/cl...lawsuit-is-filed-against-legal-opponent-nafc/
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  9. anon8109 Member

    How deliciously scientological.

    The Scientology corporation is arguing that NAFC is not actually a legitimate drug abuse accreditation body because California removed it from a list of recommended accreditors for giving accreditation to Scientology's Narconon.

    Here's an analogy.

    1. A health inspector approves a meat-packing plant.
    2 The meat packing plant is known to be sub-par so the health inspector is given a warning by the government.
    3. The inspector revokes his approval.
    4. The meat packer lies to the public and claims to still have the approval.
    5. The inspector sues the meat-packer for falsely continuing to use his seal of approval.
    6. The meat-packer sues the inspector claiming that because the government gave him a warning he was a fraudulent inspector and they are his victim.

    Miscavige and his lolyers are an endless source of lulz.
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  10. Random guy Member

    The irony is so thick and sweet...
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  11. RightOn Member

    it would be funny if it wasn't true.
    Only COS would come with such a defense.
    Utterly ridiculous
    Great Xenu I hate them!
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  12. BigBeard Member

    It looks like the rats are feeling trapped in the corner and getting desperate. Between Hambo's and NAFC's suits, I'd say the writing is on the wall for narCONon. Which means a major cash cow may soon be drying up.

    BigBeard
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  13. Quentinanon Member

    The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.
    —L. Ron Hubbard, The Scientologist, a Manual on the Dissemination of Material, 1955
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  14. Anonymous Member

    Dude, you left out the good part.

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  15. Anonymous Member

    I like it when a new thread is opened instead of sticking shit in a tl;dr thread just because the subject is the same. Mega threads are killing this place. Thanks CIC.
  16. Your welcome!
  17. DeathHamster Member

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  18. From http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12782.msg34913.html#new
    Funny Narconon would cite the Pennsylvania case.

    16. In 2002, the state of Pennsylvania denied the petition of Taylor and
    5 Deisler to be recognized to certify drug and alcohol counselors. Most importantly, they
    6 falsely stated that NAFC certificates were recognized by the state of California.

    From http://caselaw.findlaw.com/pa-commonwealth-court/1163422.html

    Dr. Deisler further testified that Petitioner is approved in the States of California, Oregon, Washington and Alabama as a certifying body for alcohol and drug abuse counselors.   In addition, Petitioner certifies the drug abuse counselors in the United States Army and is the only certification body for the United States Coast Guard's family advocacy program for addictions counselors and domestic violence.   Petitioner also certifies the Federal Bureau of Probation and Parole and a number of other State probation and parole departments.   Dr. Deisler also noted that the State of Indiana, which is where Petitioner is based, recognized Petitioner for the purposes of “grandfathering” in the licenses of mental health counselors.
  19. The Wrong Guy Member

    Another Riffer-ific salvo from Scientology leader David Miscavige in our legal roundup

    We have several legal updates for you today, and we’ll start with the always entertaining Jeffery K. Riffer, attorney for Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige.

    You’ll remember that the colorful Riffer, known for his over-the-top threat letters to Vanity Fair and CNN in which he comes off sounding exasperated that anyone would question the godlike ecclesiastical awesomeness of his client, had submitted a salvo of outrage aimed at the National Association of Forensic Counselors, which is suing Miscavige and 81 other defendants in a massive civil lawsuit regarding the misuse of the NAFC’s trademarks and logos.

    The NAFC filed its suit in federal court in Oklahoma, because that’s where Scientology has the flagship facility of its drug rehab network, Narconon, which, the suit alleges, fraudulently misused the NAFC’s credentialing certificates in order to make the Narconon system look more legitimate than it actually is. The NAFC calls it a massive conspiracy, with Miscavige lording over it all as the dictator of Scientology.

    Miscavige had Riffer file a motion to dismiss, claiming that the church leader has nothing to do with Oklahoma. NAFC attorney David Keesling came back with a response reiterating Miscavige’s seat atop the Scientology organization, which runs the Oklahoma facility. And now, Riffer has come back with a reply that trashes Keesling’s deeply documented response. And, since it’s Riffer, we hear about Miscavige’s lofty status.

    “The burden on Mr. Miscavige of litigating in Oklahoma is significant because he (a) is a California resident; (b) is the ecclesiastical leader of a world-wide religion; and (c) has no meaningful contacts with Oklahoma.”

    <snipped>

    NAFC v. Scientology: David Miscavige reply in motion to dismiss

    More here:
    http://tonyortega.org/2014/12/02/an...-leader-david-miscavige-in-our-legal-roundup/
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  20. BigBeard Member

    I think if Riffer keeps ignoring the actual facts of Miscavige's involvement with narCONon, and NN Arrow Head in particular, the judge is going to:

    A. Start thinking of Riffer as "Reefer Madness"
    B. Get really ticked with the way Reefer is wasting his time.

    BigBeard
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  21. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology’s Clark Carr: Those letters after my name were no good and I didn’t know it

    There’s more back and forth between Narconon International’s president, Clark Carr, and the National Association of Forensic Counselors. If you recall, the NAFC filed a massive lawsuit — with 82 defendants — against Scientology and its drug rehab network, Narconon, alleging that Scientology had been misusing the NAFC’s trademarks and logos for several years in an attempt to make the rehab program appear more legitimate than it is. The ultimate aim of this effort was to attract people into the program and then into Scientology itself, the NAFC alleged. The lawsuit was filed in federal court in Oklahoma, because that’s where the rehab system’s flagship facility is — the ailing Narconon Arrowhead.

    But then Carr countered by filing a class action lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court, saying that he and an undefined number of other people had been harmed by the NAFC’s “fraudulent” and useless certifications. Carr said that although the NAFC claimed its certifications for drug counselors were “national” in scope, they aren’t recognized by California state government, where Narconon International is headquartered. Carr had apparently just realized this was the case after listing “CCDC” after his name for years — the Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor certification that the NAFC issues.

    NAFC lawyer David Keesling responded by having Carr’s class action removed to federal court, and then filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit, criticizing Carr for trying to pull a fast one by not notifying the Oklahoma federal court of his Los Angeles lawsuit, or even mentioning that the NAFC was suing him in his complaint. Carr filed an opposition to the remove, asking for his suit to be remanded back to state court. And now, we have two new filings. We have Carr’s response to the NAFC’s motion to dismiss the class action. And we have the NAFC’s opposition to Carr’s attempt to have the case remanded back to superior court.

    We’ll let the lawyers go through both documents and let us know in our comments section if they’re impressed by the legal arguments they find.

    Here’s the opinion of one of our legal helpers, who went through Carr’s filing:

    Continued here: http://tonyortega.org/2014/12/17/18695/
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  22. RightOn Member

    Next thing Carr will say is "he just came for the Dianetics"
    BWA HA HA
    What a fucking slime ball
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  23. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology’s Clark Carr wins a round against the NAFC

    Narconon International president Clark Carr has won his request to have his class action lawsuit against the National Association of Forensic Counselors remanded back to Los Angeles Superior Court after the NAFC had removed it to federal court.

    <snipped>

    We asked attorney Scott Pilutik for his thoughts on Judge Walter’s order.

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/01/02/fi...s-bbc-film-on-scientology-stairway-to-heaven/
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  24. Intelligence Member

    I haven't been following updates on this NAFC case, but when searching this eveining for
    political influence in Canada, I came acrosss one potential plaintiff that may have been missed?

    Don't see their name in the Lawsuit:

    http://richardsonlawfirmpc.com/nafc-vs-narconon-church-of-scientology-intl/

    RE: The DPNC includes Narconon Trois-Rivières:
    On their list of drug treatment centres. Two DPNC board members
    promote Narconon in their bios:

    JEANNETTE HAY, CCDC (Certified Chemical Dependency Councilor) has been
    involved in the anti-drug field at both
    local grass roots and at international levels with successful drug
    awareness and prevention campaigns including,
    detoxification, rehabilitation and drug education for more than 22
    years. As a previous addict and graduate of the
    Narconon program and later as an anti-drug advocate she has a unique
    understanding of both sides of the illegal drug
    issue.




  25. The Wrong Guy Member

    NAFC files a new complaint, attends hearing in LA

    By Tony Ortega, The Underground Bunker, May 10, 2015

    Continuing our legal updates this weekend, we’ve been trying to keep up with what’s happening in the giant National Association of Forensic Counselors lawsuit against Scientology. If you remember, NAFC director Karla Taylor filed a federal lawsuit in Oklahoma against 82 defendants, including Scientology leader David Miscavige, over what the NAFC characterized as a deliberate misuse of its logos and certifications. Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon, was fraudulently misusing the NAFC’s trademarks to make it appear that its counselors had credentials they hadn’t actually earned, the lawsuit alleged.

    Narconon International president Clark Carr struck back with a class action lawsuit in Los Angeles that appeared to be a pretty naked legal maneuver. After the NAFC had sued Scientology (including Carr) over the way its certifications had been misused, Carr countered that he was harmed because NAFC’s certifications had been useless to begin with. (Um, then why did you advertise for years that you had the certificates, even in cases where they had long ago expired?)

    Since then, we noticed that NAFC recently filed an amended complaint in the big Oklahoma suit, but that according to the case’s court docket some of the original 82 defendants are being dismissed from it. NAFC attorney David Keesling tells us that based on the feedback they were getting from the court, they have decided to break up the case and file against some of the defendants in California and other venues. So we’ll be looking forward to seeing those new complaints.

    Meanwhile, on Thursday a hearing was held regarding the Clark Carr class-action suit in Los Angeles. And get this — Scientology now says it wants to replace Carr as the lead plaintiff with Daniel Manson, president of Narconon Fresh Start, the Northern California network of rehab clinics. Why? Well, maybe the fact that Carr suddenly absconded from the Narconon International offices in Los Angeles, which were hastily shut down, and lately has showed up in Tijuana has something to do with it. (We’re told that Carr’s adventure south of the border won’t keep him from being deposed in the NAFC suit. We can’t wait to hear about his sudden urge to close up shop in Hollywood and vamoose to TJ.)

    Anyway, Keesling says that the NAFC’s motion to dismiss the class-action suit will be heard on August 11 in Los Angeles, and it sounds like it might be a pretty entertaining day in court. We hope to have someone there to watch.

    Source:
    http://tonyortega.org/2015/05/10/ry...suit-against-scientologys-drug-rehab-network/
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  26. RightOn Member

    ahhh thanks for the update, I was wondering what was going on with this suit
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  27. DeathHamster Member

    Correction: Narconon Fresh Start is formerly Narconon Southern California. Daniel Manson is president of Halcyon Horizons, formerly Narconon of Northern California, which was doing business as Narconon Vista Bay. (Arrrgh!)
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  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Narconon International Annual Conference | Sec Check

    m0aZOHD.jpg

    Last week we reported that the Narconon International Conference is being held at the ABLE building on Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles. Today we have photos from inside the conference. We received word from a source that the timing of this is not typical, it is usually held in April, and they rent facilities large enough for the number of attendees. Perhaps it’s a cost-cutting measure to squeeze everybody into the ABLE building, or better security. They have wrapped the fence in a white tarp to prevent anybody from seeing inside.

    Above is Dan Manson, who runs the Narconons in Northern California. He is Scientology’s nominee to replace Clark Carr in the lawsuit against Scientology by the National Association of Forensic Counselors.

    Continued here:
    https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/narconon-international-annual-conference/
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  29. DeathHamster Member

    ^^ Stupid schmucks are a step behind on their own name changes.
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  30. DeathHamster Member

    With the benefit of time and whole lot of indexing, "Narconon, Incorporated" is the Narconon Canada legal entity.

    Category:Narconon Ontario
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  31. DeathHamster Member

    ^^ Now with added Gumby Escapes!
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  32. Anonymous Member

    This seems to be a GIF embedded in a JPEG:

    Narconon Run Away.GIF

    It uploads as GIF, and works as a JPEG, too.
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  33. TorontosRoot Member

    I cannot believe me eyes... :p
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  34. DeathHamster Member

    I think I'll stick to the motion lines and the flop sweat.
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  35. Quentinanon Member

    Any relation to Charles?

    charles-manson.jpg
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  36. Anonymous Member

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  37. DeathHamster Member

    Narconon of Northern California did a recent name-change and is now Halcyon Horizons
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  38. RightOn Member

    thanks for keeping up with them
    Someone needs out how many times these places change their names
    I hate to say make a "list"
    But do we have a list of how many times each NN center has changed their name all in one place?
    Would be a neat little package to present to the powers that be. ;)
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  39. DeathHamster Member

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