New E-Meter Rules

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by Anonymous, Nov 25, 2013.

  1. Random guy Member

    I suppose this reflects that the remaining field auditors do not bring in much raw meat these days, and is only seen by Flag as a pool of people to be regged 'til they bleed.
  2. Several observations.

    First, this erases any doubt concerning whether and how soon Field Auditors must purchase their two Mark Ultra VIII E-meters. Their first step is to study their Mark Ultra VIII E-meter owners manual. Their second step iit to go into their org and go through the E-meter drills using their Mark Ultra VIII E-meter, both as a coach and as a student. Thus, the Field Auditor has the immediate expense of $10,000 for two Mark Ultra VIII E-meters.

    Secondly, there is a bit of carrot / stick thing going on here. (Ok, very little carrot.) The good news is that once a Field Auditor has completed the short-term "high-crime" and study steps 1 through 6, they are authorized to being auditing again -- at least in the short term. The bad news is that it is if the Field Auditor does not "sign up and start [their] full training line-up starting with the Student Hat," authorization to recommence auditing will be withheld. There is no way the Org is going to allow a Field Auditor to complete their short-term "high -crime" and study steps 1 through 6, leave the Org without signing up and starting their full training line-up starting with the Student Hat, and recommence auditing.

    Thirdly, this means the Field Auditor will soon have to pay for his training package -- i.e., Student Hat, Pro TRs, Upper Indoc TRs, Metering Course, and Academy Levels .

    Fourthly, the Field Auditor will suffer a drop in income in the short run, at the very least.. An intensive is 12.5 hours. The Field Auditor is required to do the training line-up "on a standard study schedule," allowing him to "deliver 1-2 intensives a week as an auditor." If the Field Auditor was delivering 3 intensives a week (i.e., 37.5 hours), their income is cut by 1/3 to 2/3. If the Field Auditor was delivering only 2 intensives a week (i.e., 25 hours), and can manage to deliver only 1 intensive a week with the new full-time study schedule, then his income is cut in half.
  3. Woo Hah Member

    ^ Preclear Indoctrination Manuals

  4. At least these dumbass Independents (or whatEVER) like to publish informative and hilarious leaks we might not otherwise have. Glass Half Full Saturday Night FTW!
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  5. Anonymous Member

    Yeah! I seriously laughed a lot when I saw that line.

    LRH Eyes Rolling.gif
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  6. Confirmation from Mike Rinder that all Field Auditors must buy two Mark Ultra VIII E-meters:

    Bludgeoned With A Blunt Object

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  7. DeathHamster Member

    Software license agreement and a waiver?

    That waiver sounds interesting. I wonder what they absolve CoS from, death from the hidden taser circuit?
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  8. DeathHamster Member

    Probably better in this thread, in case anyone ever captures the network traffic and posts to the other thread.
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  9. DeathHamster Member

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  10. RolandRB Member

    'til they bleed?
  11. Woo Hah Member

    Yes, /r/ copy of waiver
  12. As noted above, Mike RInder has a leak of the two contracts:

    PDF of the two contracts:

    The first contract is a software license. The second contract is for purchase of the meter itself.









    Some key provisions:

    First contract, Software License: paragraph 6:
    Second contract, Purchase Agreement and Covenant of Religious Use, paragraph 3:
    Second contract, Purchase Agreement and Covenant of Religious Use, paragraph 6(f) concerning what happens if the purchaser is forced to return the E-Meter to CSI:
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  13. DeathHamster Member

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  14. RolandRB Member

    ^^ "Until they bleed" kind of assumes they stop at that point.
  15. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Found @ ESMB~

    'Over on Mike's Blog the following was posted. I don't know if the poster is a lawyer.'

    Interesting no?
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  16. I have a feeling they will try and play the "religious artefact and not an electronic device" card.
  17. BigBeard Member

    At first glance I'd say paragraphs 1, 2, & 6(d) of the "Purchase Agreement" pretty much puts and end to the so called "Stress Test" tables.

    Unless they are going to start claiming anyone taking the "Stress Test" is a parishioner " need of locating areas of spiritual distress or travail".

    There own document could be used to point out the fraudulent nature of running a "Stress Test" on people who are not $cientologists to law enforcement.

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  18. Woo Hah Member

    define "artefact"

    In a legal, courtroom setting.

    Tommy Davis to the witness stand please.
  19. DeathHamster Member

    A religious artifact that requires yearly software "updates" or it self-destructs. Yeah, that would be an interesting argument.

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  20. Indeed. But they will try. No Scientology court case is complete without them warning the court about getting entangled in religious disputes.
  21. DeathHamster Member

    That and the appeal road-trips booze-cruising up and down the legal system.
  22. There's an interesting story going around...about why the ultra e-meters aren't selling. Not sure if I believe it or not, but you decide for yourselves....

    Everyone knows that formal sales of the Ultra Mark VIII e-meters are very anemic. In fact, so weak that the midget is pulling out his hair trying to figure out what's wrong. WHY AREN'T THESE THINGS SELLING?

    What the midget doesn't realize is that sales of the Ultras are actually quite brisk - on the black market.

    Apparently, someone has been quietly taking e-meters out of their boxes, then re-taping/re-wrapping the shipment boxes to make it appear they've never been opened. The weight of the e-meter is replaced with something of similar weight. The boxes are located throughout the warehouse, and there is no easy way to tell which boxes have the missing e-meters.

    Word has it, that they have been quietly selling them for around $1000, out of the trunks of their cars, cash on delivery only. Apparently several staff/SO/FSMs are involved. The internet ad only stays up for 10 - 12 hours, then it's pulled down. Some parishioners have also received letters offering them the bargain price, in recognition of their hard work and stellar efforts. However, the letter cautions them that only a few upstats have received these special offers, and if they talk to anyone about it, they will lose their opportunity to buy one. One estimate puts the sales at 200 - 300 e-meters in the last two months.

    I don't know what to think, but I'm just passing this on, if anyone else has additional information, please chime in.

    Sounds like some people are planning for a handsome retirement sans scientology.
  23. Two things:

    First, according to the Purchase Agreement and Covenant, you must return the E-meter to $CN if you are "no longer in good standing" [i.e., declared]. They will give you a refund with a reduction if it is damaged beyond ordinary wear and tear. Any chance they will be "fair" about wear and tear? And what if the CO$ wants to subtract depreciation and pay you "book value"? "Computer equipment" (many assets, really) is depreciated over 3 years in the US. You could be lucky to get a single cent !

    Second, if you sell the meter to someone else in the "church", and CO$ approves it, who gets the money? You? I wouldn't be so sure.

  24. Dox?
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  25. DeathHamster Member

    That seems unlikely. You wouldn't be able to register the things with the updater program, and within a year, they'd self-destruct--assuming that they'll work out of the box without being "updated" in the first place.

    Unless there's a work-around or the meters have a pre-timebomb version of the software, they bought a $1000 paperweight.
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  26. DeathHamster Member

    How much of the cost of the meter will they assign to the software license? Software depreciates 100% in a year.

  27. Can an e-meter be PTS? If you use an e-meter that was formerly owned by an SP, can that affect your case gain? If so, what's the procedure for rehabilitating an e-meter?
  28. Woo Hah Member

    Touch Assist.

  29. Sonichu Moderator

    Maybe not so much. I haven't studied the software like some people here, but here is a theory:

    Illegally selling emeters might be difficult to track if the COS doesn't properly inventory and activate software.

    For example, When you buy like Microsoft Office from a store, the store itself connects to Microsoft and tells them which license was just purchased. That's why you can't just steal the activation card and use it.

    Knowing that COS Does more things improperly than not, I suspect the website that registers the emeter probably only compares the inputted Serial number with a Master list, to make sure you are not spoofing. I doubt they are smart enough to actually activate serial numbers as the emeters are sold.
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  30. That makes a lot of sense, Sonichu.

    The programming for matching the input serial number with actual sales information (for each e-meter sold) would be much more complicated and expensive, than just comparing it to a static master # list. And way too complicated a concept, for a high-school dropout to understand.

    How could the drunk dwarf figure out who is ripping him off? There are several ways, but none of them are easy or cheap.

    It does explain though, what has happened to the missing anticipated revenue from those meters.

  31. I don't see why this is so difficult or expensive. At the time of sale, the E-Meter's serial number is recorded on both the Software License Agreement and the Purchase Agreement and Covenant of Religious Use:



    So at the time of sale they input: into the Org's computer system (a) the name of the authorized purchaser; (b) his IAS membership numbner (everyone now has a unique number); and (c) the serial number of the meter.

    A year later somebody tries to re-authenticate / reactivate meter with serial number XXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX. The IAS number doesn't match -- no activation. The IAS number matches, but IAS status has lapsed -- no activation. The IAS number matches, but a SO member has flipped the "not authorized" toggle in the database, indicating that purchaser blew, was declared SP, determined not to be in good standing, had his certs cancelled, etc. -- no activation.

    All they have to do is tie an identity with a serial number.

    Where they screwed up was not requiring entry of the IAS number on either form, and preferably both. Stupid, it would have made things easier. But as it is, it is, as a Scientologist would say, "workable." They are supposed to verify IAS status at the time of sale anyway, so they will have the number.
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  32. Anonylemmi Member

    Knowing that this thread is being condensed and reported to El Dwarfo makes me smile. Imagine his impotent raeg.
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  33. OTeleventy Member

    Why aren't the e-meters selling? For exactly all the reasons mentioned in this thread.

    Even as dumb as clams are, i think their thinking is, "shit... I'm buying a $5k googaw (or two), i want it to be mine. Too many strings attached."

    Am I giving too much credit to the clams?

  34. Yes.
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  35. CommIC -

    Given your remarks, I'm guessing that you are not an IS programmer, amirite?

    Just because information is written in on a sales contract, does not mean the system magically knows what to do with that information.
  36. I love imagining the drunken dwarf getting this information. I certainly wouldn't want to deliver it in person. In fact, I wouldn't want to be in the same building when he gets it.

    And, I certainly wouldn't want to be the poor IS person responsible for setting up the program for the sale invoices of Ultra VIII e-meters! That person is burnt toast.


    Mmmm... unless.....unless.....

    Is it possible that that person is part of the ring covering up this fraud?

    Will the dimwitted dwarf EVER catch on?
  37. DeathHamster Member

    CoS's FUCK YOU factor is over 9000, and assuming that their software defaults to that is a safe bet.

    If the meter isn't in the database with matching IAS info for the member, FUCK YOU!

    If someone hasn't keyed in the data from the contract yet, FUCK YOU!

    If someone keyed in the wrong data and it doesn't match when the Scilon tries to register and unlock it, FUCK YOU!

    If there's an Ethics flag on the Scilon's record by mistake, FUCK YOU!

    "Please take your meter to the nearest org and play tech support merry-go-round... Oh, and FUCK YOU! ML."

    If someone is selling black-market meters out of their trunk, I expect there will pictures of the inside of the case sooner rather than later.
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  38. Sonichu Moderator

    But that's where I think the break is..

    All you have to do to "spoof" an unofficial emeter is be in good standing and register with your number. If COS didn't do the due diligence of tracking what serial numbers they sold, then it would be hard for them to figure out which emeters were obtained legally.

    But that's assuming the scis even bothered to input all this data into a program. The clams are not very good with computers in general.

    I suspect given how lazy the clams are, that the authenticator online merely cross checks all of the lists, and doesn't really have the ability built in to brick your system remotely.

    Besides, the easiest way to get flagged immediately is to not have your IAS current, and don't most people just buy the lifetime membership anyways?

    If COS didn't catch the fuckup at the beginning, then you wouldn't need to re-authenticate. and if you don't need to re-authenticate, then the COS has no chance to brick you anyways.

    And lastly, i suspect given a little more time, someone will be able to work around their e-meter so it resembles the genuine article.
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  39. DeathHamster Member

    The meter has a real-time clock that isn't in the patent schematics. That's obvious from the time display on the meter. There's no reason to leave that off the patent schematics unless they were feeling shy about it and didn't understand that "security through obscurity" doesn't work.

    They must have at least demoed the one year "update" timeout and Bad SP shutdown to Miscavige before he gave the go ahead on the meters. Whether it works in real life remains to be seen. We should know within a year.
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  40. Another blog is talking about a big scandal going on at CCI, and it involves the FCS (Field Control Secretary) and Treasury - anyone remotely connected to it is being busted. Here's the remark:

    Quick post to give you all an update: very, very insanely crazy week of the WTF variety because of some recent scandals and humiliations rocking the CCI Field Control Sec (P.L. Johnson) and also Treasury and we’ve got yet another confidential RTC mission here (there must be 3-4 “top secret” RTC/CMO missions at CCI right now — not so top secret if we know about them tho we wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t know about each other), so heads are rolling. All staff even remotely connected to the FCS are being stripped of privileges, eg rice & beans time, no personal phone or Internet time, limited sleep etc.

    Although not 100% certain, the scandal mentioned above, may be regarding the Ultra VIII e-meters being sold at bargain prices. The timing fits, and the departments in the org (FCS and Treasury) would be the ones involved. Let's hope we hear some more details.....

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