New E-Meter Rules

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by Anonymous, Nov 25, 2013.

  1. Quentinanon Member

    U.C.C. § 2-314. Implied Warranty: Merchantability; Usage of Trade.

    (1) Unless excluded or modified (Section 2-316), a warranty that the goods shall be merchantable is implied in a contract for their sale if the seller is a merchant with respect to goods of that kind. Under this section the serving for value of food or drink to be consumed either on the premises or elsewhere is a sale.
    (2) Goods to be merchantable must be at least such as
    • (a) pass without objection in the trade under the contract description; and
    • (b) in the case of fungible goods, are of fair average quality within the description; and
    • (c) are fit for the ordinary purposes for which such goods are used; and
    • (d) run, within the variations permitted by the agreement, of even kind, quality and quantity within each unit and among all units involved; and
    • (e) are adequately contained, packaged, and labeled as the agreement may require; and
    • (f) conform to the promise or affirmations of fact made on the container or label if any.
    (3) Unless excluded or modified (Section 2-316) other implied warranties may arise from course of dealing or usage of trade.
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  2. From ESMB. No dox. Take it for what, if anything, it is worth.
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  3. Anonylemmi Member

    A fucking Wheatstone bridge gets malware and viruses these days? facepalm
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  4. As ifness Member

    You should see my toaster. It won't even boot.
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  5. Carly Crutchfield - is that you??
  6. Anonylemmi Member

    Now that you mention it, mine does funny things to sourdough.
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  7. tinfoilhatter Member

    Be careful, because the code is hard to understand here(at least for me). Merchants can waive warranties amongst each other, but not with consumers. Then there is the whole "warranty by title" crap, which means that if you buy something, it is yours, and you get special legal protections that we take for granted because we are used to having them.

    This stuff is complicated by itself, but throw in the whole "religion" aspect, and it just gets crazy. However, i am pretty sure that the more we dig, the better our chances to catch them breaking the law.
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  8. My Hubbard Qualified Sundial Mark 6 seems to have a virus.
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  9. Anonylemmi Member

    Goddamit. I gotta go check my Easy Bake Oven now.
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  10. tinfoilhatter Member

    Is it still under warranty?
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  11. Anonylemmi Member

    No, it's one of the first ones. They tried to get me to turn it in, but I hided it.
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  12. Anonylemmi Member

    The bulb burned out so I replaced it with a cfl. Food just NEVER seems to get done.
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  13. Quentinanon Member

    Sure, in court the scientology crime syndicate attorneys would be instructed to defecate the term "religious artifact" for the record, but that is just a ruse from what was written on scientology promotional materials. The emeter is a fungible consumer product, regardless of what the cult states to a government to give it a religious classification.
  14. dwest Member

    Same here. Since then I rarely post but read almost daily. Then again that's my usual habit being a librarian. Read,read, read
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  15. How did you know?
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  16. thesneakster Member

    There is no Wheatstone Bridge in the circuit of any ElectroPsychometer since the 1958 Don Breeding & Joe Wallis transistorized version patent (filed in 1966). There is a voltage divider circuit with the PC's body resistance as a component, but that circuit does not even work the same way as a Wheatstone Bridge. See the patent filing for the circuit diagram.

    The present Mark VIII circuit does not appear to be based on the Breeding/Wallis circuit to my (inexpert) eyes, but there is definitely no Wheatstone Bridge in that one, either.

    Inaccuracy damages credibility.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
  17. Don't call it a Wheatstone Bridge. Call it a Scientology Body Thetan Cluster Reader. DM would approve.
  18. tinfoilhatter Member

    Unless otherwise agreed a seller who is a merchant regularly dealing in goods of the kind warrants that the goods shall be delivered free of the rightful claim of any third person by way of infringement or the like but a buyerwho furnishes specifications to the seller must hold the seller harmless against any such claim which arises out of compliance with the specifications.

    Ok, now i have a question. If they scilons bought the e-meters from $cientology, would the cult be a third party demanding them back, or would they be the second party because they sold the meters? Or are these meters going to one of the "fronts", which may be considered a third party?

    This is a very interesting legal conundrum that they have written themselves into, because those e-meters that they are taking back, count as goods, goods taken outside of normal business, and therefore might invoke UBI taxes.

    However, i am new to this "party", Did they ask for the mk6 meters to be returned when the 7's came out?
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  19. Quentinanon Member

    If the demanding party is the same as the selling party, then the merchant is demanding the goods returned without recompense to the buyer. If the demanding party is different from the selling party, then you have a third party engaging in contract interference.
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  20. DeathHamster Member

    So much for those people who have a shelf (or more) full of old meters as mementos.
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  21. RightOn Member

    Dear Scientologists,
    please buy all the emeters you can ASAP. They are going like hot cakes!

    I figured I would say this since they don't agree with anything SPs have to say.
    A little reverse psychology? uh oh, did I say the nasty psyche word?
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  22. BigBeard Member

    Talked to an attorney friend of mine, and he says Cof$ could be setting themselves up for a racketeering charge.

    If the older meter was purchased free and clear by the current owner, Cof$ has no legal basis to demand it back. Especially with no cash or credit in return.

    Also, according to my friend, not disclosing the old meter had to be returned until after payment for the new one was received, and refusing a refund unless the old meter that was purchased by the current owner is returned, violates Federal law. It also violates state law in many states.

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  23. RightOn Member

    good news BUT! Doesn't the purchaser have to file a complaint? We all know how scilons are sworn not to sue.
    Or can someone else file a complaint to spark an investigation?
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  24. Quentinanon Member

    Done by "the most ethical people on the planet."
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  25. Daverator Member

    You don't drive because you might accidentally run over dead John Gotti's dead son?
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  26. Anonylemmi Member

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  27. tinfoilhatter Member

    This is the form to fill out if you suspect a tax exempt organization is engaged in "wrong doing". they don't define wrong doing however.
    This is the "general purpose form" and it lists "organized crime" as a reason for reporting.

    Otherwise, we would need direct proof that this is occurring, and report it to the state DA.

    The thing to keep in mind, is that with this topic, we should first talk about the money spent. How much were the old emeters, how much are they charging for the new ones, how long were the old ones out before they demanded their return. Normal people will not care until you mention that the old meters were a few thousand dollars, and the new ones are more expensive. If we want law enforcement to take notice of this, then we will have to demonstrate that a significant amount of money is involved.

    Also on a different note, is CO$ forcing people to sign contracts related to this(or anything else for that matter)? From my understanding of contract law, a contract is invalid if one of the parties was under duress, and i believe holding someones "eternity" for ransom would count as duress.
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  28. It's time to call in John Shaft to shut these Scientology scamming mutha shut your mouths down.....

    ''Shaft might take you down, but he'll never let you down.''
  29. Yep. It's quite common around here, especially in the spring when they go to the water to mate.
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  30. The Wrong Guy Member

    tchotch·ke [chahch-kuh]
    noun Slang.
    an inexpensive souvenir, trinket, or ornament.

    What will you do with your Scientology E-meter tchotchkes? | The Underground Bunker

    It appears someone has scrapped a bunch of E-meters. How do we know? The meter movements are available for $5 each at All Electronics.

    The item description says “125 DC Microampere = full-scale. High-quality 6″ wide DC panel meter. Solid plexiglass enclosure, 6″ wide x 4.25″ oval. Removed from equipment.”

    The “Rise-Set-Fall-Test” markings are unique to Scientology’s E-meter. The markings aren’t the only unusual thing about this meter. As detailed on my “Secrets of the E-Meter” page, the meter uses an undamped “taut band” movement designed to produce a specified amount of bounciness, per Scientology’s specifications. Auditors are trained to interpret the needle movements, so you have to have some bounce in order to produce phenomena for the auditor to interpret. You can’t locate those sneaky BT’s with a bounceless meter.

    After an informant bought one of these movements and let me know about the item, I contacted All Electronics to find out how many they still had in stock. They had 67. My informant, who wishes to remain anonymous, is fully aware of the significance of the meter, and is considering some ironic artistic uses for it...

    Continued at
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  31. vaLLarrr Member

    You still believe in the horseshit of L Ron Hubbtard, and you're here attacking poster's credibility?

    DIAF you fat dumb fuck.
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  32. tinfoilhatter Member

    Hmmm, they sold the components? That sounds like a taxable UBI.
  33. RightOn Member

    Would be wonderful to buy and use at Protests :D
    Make a necklace!
    Make your own emeter
    Glue it to a sign
    Make a hat
    Put it on cake
    mount it on your car
    for 5.00 it is SO worth it
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  34. Anonylemmi Member

    Make Woo Finders out of them. Should be easy.
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  35. thesneakster Member

    From my personal FAQ posted back in Nov, 2012 on a thread currently in the Dome:

    "(5) None of my belief in or use of any of the principles of the Scientology spiritual philosophy are in any way predicated upon worship of or faith in Ron Hubbard. Neither do I consider him some sort of infallible super-being or any other such bullcrap. So, you are welcome to make whatever ad hominem attacks on Ron Hubbard you wish as I just don't care."


    "(9) I don't get any of my thoughts or opinions from Ron Hubbard or anyone else. Neither do I think, believe or do so much as one single bit of Scientology (or any other subject) purely because Ron Hubbard said so. (see point #4 above)."

    Learn to read. I did not attack Anonylemmi's credibility at all. I simply pointed out that inaccuracy is detrimental so anyone's credibility.

    However, your comment is not even remotely responsive to what I wrote above concerning the lack of a Wheatstone Bridge in the circuit of any Hubbard Electropsychometer device supplied by the Co$. In any case, I don't depend upon my personal credibility for that claim as I cited the relevant USPTO document to demonstrate it.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
  36. Scientology E-Meters scrapped and movements on sale for $5 each at All Electronics.

    Tony Ortega: What will you do with your Scientology E-meter tchotchkes?


    All Electronics: 6" WIDE DC MICROAMP METER, USED


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  37. Ogsonofgroo Member

    still too much...
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  39. Thanks, CommunicatorIC, for doing a good job of keeping us updated on the latest goings-on.
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