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New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

Discussion in 'Media' started by Anonymous, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. Fomalhaut Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    With that kind of thinking, no wonder outsiders don't know jack about what's happening in this region of the world.
    You make it sound as if everyone who lives here has the same mindset as I. Get real. Also good job ignoring my last two posts. If that's what you honestly believe in then I'm not the one who's going to persuade you otherwise.

    Anonymous above me is quite right, even though he made it sound as if this were an active war zone, which wasn't too far from the truth. Criminal families who operate in Jaffa (mostly Muslim) do take arms against each other, but in 99.8% of the times it's not in the open and you wouldn't know about it. For the record, Jewish criminal families are not much better either, but the Muslim ones are more promiment here. Anyway what I'm trying to say is that they could potentially harm those Scientologists, both because they might not like the idea of having cultists hanging around spreading pseudo-religious propaganda in their neighborhood, and because of the center's proximity to their mosque.
  2. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    I would agree, but with this caveat:

    Scientology is a dictatorship in much the same way Hitler's National Socialist Party was, making bold claims to create a super-race and help mankind, unaccountable leadership structure, and huge propaganda department.

    If the neo-nazis built a clubhouse in Tel Aviv, they would be up in smoke before they had time to cut the ribbon.

    Israel is not the USA, nor is it Europe. Bad things do happen.

    And it's clear a lot of people have seen for themselves the comparison between Scientology and nazism, and they don't want it.

    And I am of the train of thought that it would be preferable for Israelis to attack the Scientologists by any means necessary than to let them get a foothold in Israel.

    I wouldn't be so bold had people died in this fire, but they didn't.

    And I don't think many sane and rational people would feel too much pity if, knowing what they know now, a bunch of Jewish people got together in the 1930's and burned down every nazi building in Berlin, the long-term saving of lives would have outweighed the short-term losses of prominent nazis.

    This is all speculative of course, and I'm trying to word it carefully because I know how jumpy the moderators are here about condoning this sort of crime (which I'm not) but you can understand what might motivate people to get angry enough to reach for the firelighters.

    All I'm saying is this: if you stick your head in the lions jaws, as Scientology is doing with this push into a volatile part of the Middle East, then don't be surprised if the lion bites down, hard.
  3. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    And I know enough about Jaffa to know that if you poke your nose into other people's business, you will get your nose shot off.

    That goes for much of Israel, but in the marketplaces and the alleyways of Jaffa it goes double.

    As a side note, Jaffa hosts the best bakery in the world, the Abulafia, right across from the clock tower, and they sell delicious cake 24 hours a day, so the local Anons will never need to go far for their food.
  4. AquaMan Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    BTW, "tainted windows"?

    Well, I suppose that this is Scientology we're talking about...

    (I know, not everyone speaks English perfectly. I just couldn't resist commenting on tainted/tinted. Not trying to be a dick or anything.)
  5. The Wrong Guy Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    I'm off to New York, to try to convince the people building the mosque near Ground Zero to build it in Israel instead.
  6. Fomalhaut Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    This guy knows what he's talking about.

    I actually wonder how long will it take before they are forced to close and relocate out of town. But what what makes me wonder even more is the location they had chosen for the new center. Perhaps they were under the impression that people here would be more tolerant of their nonsense, or are just very dumb. Right now I suspect that most of the local residents aren't informed about the nature of that building, heck, even I wasn't until today. Not to mention that most of them have never heard about Scientology.

    They're going to find out sooner or later though, and rumors are already moving around.

    Also, you must be the first person I've met online who knows about Abulafia. A former classmate of mine lives right in front of the bakery. That friend is also a son to a moderate Muslim family (except for his father, or he just has a terrible personality). As moderate as he is, I can assure you that he's not going to like the idea of having that center around even more than I. Muslim people here are very religious no matter what their political views are. You can imagine what will the radical guys do.
  7. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    Well of course, the local people will now know exactly what the old Alhambra building is being used for now that it has been all over the news, and they will watch with interest and indeed research for themselves on the internet all the terrible things that $cientology has said about the Muslim faith, even moderate Muslims will be moved to act against them.

    And whilst this of course serves our purpose, as Anonymous we are here to provide as much information about $cientology to people who are curious, or looking to remove it from their neighborhoods, or just people who want to protest against it, we must also be very careful to remain legally and morally correct in everything we do, so as not to leave ourselves vulnerable to attack by the church.

    I do not speak for Anonymous when I say I am glad the church caught fire, because that would be wrong, but I can say that if the fire has highlighted the intentions of the cult, to get a foothold in Israel (which their spokeswoman has admitted) then it is good that the local residents of Yafo are now aware of this.

    And yes, I love the Abulafia bakery, their bread and their meat-filled patties are the best I have ever tasted. People from all over Tel Aviv drive down there in the middle of the night to get their evening snack, and I am very glad it is still a good business.

    I have not been to Yafo for many years, but I used to love walking around Kedumim Square, the marina, and spend hours in the markets checking out all the crazy stalls selling all kinds of things. I hope to return some day soon, and I hope the $cientologists will have been kicked out before I do!


  8. AnonLover Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    What every muslim should know about Scientology
  9. Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    Too bad they didn't have any gOaTses available to put out this fire using the powahz of their minds. I hope the wog firefighters were able to spare them the worst of the physical damage, leaving them only with the steaming turd that is their public perception.
  10. Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    I wasn't going to say, but yeah. I preferred Bra'tac more, though. He had that cool wizened old warrior thing going on.
  11. Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    Perhaps it is too early, but has there been any confirmation this was NOT caused by stupidity, such as hoarding and/or wiring issues? Glad no one got hurt.
  12. eBag Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    Lol, I'm going to be in Israel for like four months next year. It'll be fun to take part in any protests that manage to pop up :V
  13. subgenius Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    I'm there dude.
  14. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    The $cilons are used to dealing with American/European type legal systems that protect them (to the point of utter insanity) in their dark dealings.

    However, not all places in this world are like those to which the $cilons are accustomed.

    Some communities have sectors of their population that tend to make their displeasure known in a more immediate and direct manner.

    "Live and Learn", you pesky $cilons.
  15. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    Oh man... the meat is obviously the win, but the texture of the pastry they use is unbelievable too, and it's all cooked in this giant flame oven right in front of you, to order, none of this preheated crap, everything is fresh, that's why they're open 24/7, it's a non-stop bakery and it is the best I've ever tasted, and I likes me my bakes savoury products too.
  16. Fomalhaut Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    To be honest, I didn't really know much about Scientology until today. I guess it's one of those things that you start to sincerely care about only when they show at your doorstep. Hopefully the uproar will be big enough, and from my experience as someone who was born and raised here for 18 years, it certainly should be. Might also be a chance for all three major religions in this town to unite against a common cause for a change. International support (though not official) is also a nice change once in a while.

    Totally right about people from all over Tel Aviv coming here. Looks like despite the higher standard of living, they can't prepare their food right. They also come here to eat humus and falafel. I might have to try those meat patties soon, seeing as they have some reputation. Abulafia is certainly doing well, the place is packed everytime I pass by.

    I haven't been to Kedumim Square in a while, but I love that place. I like its name too. That whole area is really nice, and I bet it's 10 times nicer at night. Another place I had the chance to visit in junior high school is the St. Peter's Church. It doesn't look too special on the outside, but once you go in -- wow. It was my first time in a church, and it really left an impression on me.

    Mind if I ask where you're from?

  17. Fomalhaut Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    That's cool. What for?
  18. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    There's a great curry house on Kedumim Square - not many of them in Israel, so get a table one night if you can and enjoy!!

    I'm from all over, global traveller.. mostly Europe but also South America too...
  19. Fomalhaut Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    Haha, seriously? I've never tried curry. Should be good.
    I'll look into that, thanks.

    And fair enough.

    Well then, it's 4:20 AM. I'll be taking my leave.
    P.S. Just learned that they put guards around the construction site. :rolleyes:
  20. Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    I am so glad to hear this. I tell muslims any chance I get. It will be nice to see an internal criticism spreading from the region.
    This is why.
    Point taken. While I don't condone this, I can see that this is their version of /b/

    I lived in Dubai for a year (when Hariri was killed) and a lot of news spreads by word of mouth. So do the theories. Lots more people will learn about Sci from this.
  21. RightOn Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    Found this in Reconnection Magazine # 12/1985

    "We hear that there have been three fires recently
    in the Cedars complex in Los Angeles. Two were in
    the American St Hill Org, and the third in the
    Cadet Org. As far as we know no-one was hurt."

    http://freescn.freevar.com/Documents/Reconnection12.pdf
  22. AnonLover Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    do tell - would that be private security (hired by the cult) guards, or local police guards?
  23. pedrofcuk Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    I like everything you said there, well done, Israelifag I support you!
  24. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    I like it too.

    And I fully support all the grass roots activity to combat this vile insipid little sect and prevent it spreading it's dirty oily little wings over yet another country that has the resources to clip its feathers without resorting to violence... yet.

    They've been kicked out of Europe, now they try to infiltrate Israel, like the filthy opportunists they are.

    Message to Scientology - thousands of Israelis, both Muslim and Jewish, are watching you like a hawk, ready to pounce upon your dying stinking carcass.

    We are more ready for you than you will ever be ready for us.

    Expect us.
  25. xenubarb Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    They have not been "kicked out of Europe. They're not even kicked out of Paris. I keep reading statements in comment boards claiming the cult has been ejected from here and there. They haven't. They're back in Greece, from which they were once banned. They are active in France, Italy, Belgium, the UK. They have also been in legal trouble in each of those countries.

    There has been some activity in the former Soviet Union where Scientology is rejected, but I don't think they're actually banned yet anywhere.

    Many of their disturbing invasions of third world countries are fleeting; a visit from the Scientology Volunteer Ministers, establishment of a school, etc. Happily, the model seems to be "move in, set something up, take lots of pix, go home." Schools For Slums, anyone? Hah, they didn't last very long in Mumbai. Seems the woman of the duo really objected to squatting over a hole in the floor to take a dump. So where's that school now? The "founders" are back in California, and the school wasn't much more than a year old. I don't worry about the PR invasions, as they're often fleeting projects for the consumption of event attendees.

    What I am concerned about is their incursion into South Africa. They have enough problems. They don't need another problem posing as a solution.
  26. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    They have a long history of quick departures from third world countries, going back to Rhodesia. Except as you point out, South Africa. They have had a long history of having a foothold there. SA needs Scis less than anyone else.
  27. AnotherSock Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    Slums to Schools. But yeah... that was funny. Brainwashed early 20s Vulture Ministers wrinkling their noses at how unhygenic the place is, despite the fact that the 'aid' they brought consisted of nothing but cult promotional leaflets.

    At least they weren't short of something to use for toilet paper.
  28. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    I think it's a little troubling that some people in this thread seem to be OK with this, or at least not opposed to it. I mean, last time I checked, scientology isn't out there torching buildings. So how can you criticize Scientology as being a dangerous organization on the one hand, and then tacitly support arson targeted at a group of people on the other hand? I would ask you to stop and think, "why am I ok with this?" Because it seems to me that an individual that finds this type of violence to be acceptable represents much more of a threat to others than anything scientology does.
  29. Anonymous Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    So declare war on him,,,destroy him in his present form,,,raid him! But do it quietly plz.


    That is all!
  30. Ron B DED Member

    Re: New Israeli Scientology org in Jaffa was set on fire

    VMs claim they have a permanent center in Haiti

    vmhaiti1.jpg

    Are these really VM tents in front of the White House? Seriously? or a shoop?

    Ability mag, Washington DC, Issue 391 (Sept 2010).pdf

    dclawn.jpg

    Oh, and here's some photos of the Israel org before it was torched

    telavivorg.jpg

    IAS Impact magazine, issue 124, September 2010
  31. tamsonsbairn Member

    I notice the scientology cross isn't anywhere to be seen in any of the photoshopped pictures of the finished org, WHY.
  32. AnonLover Member

    Bump4RelatedDox...

    Scientology paid their lobbyist Greg Mitchell to bawwl about the problems that had with getting the Jaffa org open.

    2011 3rd Quarter Mitchell received in the range of $30k (rounded to nearest 10k) to do six things for the quarter. The 4th one is relevant to the topic in this thread:
    http://disclosures.house.gov/ld/pdfform.aspx?id=300404893

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