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Obamacare and Health Insurance for Sea Org Workers & Staff

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by failboat, Aug 3, 2013.

  1. TrevAnon Member

    As I said on ESMB I don't have an opinion, but this post below - on Rinder's blog - looks informed to me.
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-new-years-eve-so-give-us-your-money/#comment-72934
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  3. failboat Member

    This bill is dead as of the end of the previous Congress. AFAIK, it never made it past a Senate committee.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1814
    I forgot to mention that Hobby Lobby won its case, but my understanding is that it's a narrow ruling only exempting them from paying for contraceptives.
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  4. Hugh Bris Member

    It's even narrower than that. They were not objecting to contraceptives, but to what they considered abortifacients
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  5. Quentinanon Member

    The "religious exemptions" angle is more likely to affect public scientologists who work for WISE companies and employees of missions and orgs (morgs). Most sea ogres get paid below the poverty line.
  6. failboat Member

    And it turns out their mod staff won't delete or move derails -- and the one mod who has deigned to respond to me claims to be too busy to even correct broken links.

    Fortunately WWP's mod staff has corrected the borked links in this thread (*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*), so most/all the links in this thread that go back to other WWP threads are now working.

    BTW, if you've had the experience of clicking a broken link back to a WWP thread, just delete "/community" from the URL.
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  7. failboat Member

    A while ago, someone at ESMB provoked me to think about who may care about the information in these threads (this one and its counterpart at ESMB), so I brainstormed for a while and came up with this.

    IRS, HHS, and OSHA would be the federal agencies to contact if you become aware of violations to PPACA carried out as institutional policy. I can think of a lot of other people who might be interested in the info gathered in these threads, and who might be contacted depending on the circumstances. Here's an incomplete list:
    • Congresspersons, especially those overseeing IRS, HHS, or OSHA
    • state representatives, especially those involved in healthcare or worker's comp
    • exes or even current members with loved ones who are still inside, especially those on Staff and in Sea Org
    • the next Damian Kevitt - i.e., a Scientologist known to be Staff or Sea Org who gets terminally ill or catastrophically injured, with no insurance
    • the family, friends, and associates of this aforementioned uninsured Scientologist
    • journalists, especially ones who either report on Scientology or report on the catastrophic illness or accident befalling the aforementioned Scientologist
    • other activists, especially those who are anti-Scientology or those who care about getting healthcare to oppressed minorities
    • current Staff and Sea Org, if anyone reading this has open lines to them
    • health care providers tasked with providing care directly to uninsured Scientologists - in LA and Clearwater, and wherever else there is a significant number of Staff & Sea Org
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  8. failboat Member

    The Affordable Care Act survived another challenge in a SCOTUS ruling issued today. This is the 2nd major ruling in favor of Obamacare by SCOTUS.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/06/25/supreme-court-issues-decisions-on-thursday-live-blog/
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-upholds-obamas-health-law-subsidies-1434737182

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  9. Hugh Bris Member

    “We should start calling this law SCOTUSCare.” — Justice Antonin Scalia.
  10. failboat Member

    Your tears are delicious, Antonin.
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  12. failboat Member

    HT to CommunicatorIC for this material. The Church signed on to a Congressional petition opposing mandated employer insurance coverage for birth control & abortion back in April, 2015. I'm quoting his OP in full below.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...insurance-coverage-for-abortion-birth-control
    Scientology opposes mandated employer insurance coverage for abortion, birth control

    The Congressional Record shows that on April 30, 2015, the United States House of Representatives (controlled by the Republican Party) considered a proposed "joint resolution (H.J. Res. 43) disapproving the action of the District of Columbia Council in approving the Reproductive Health Non-Discrimination Amendment Act of 2014."

    https://www.congress.gov/congression...rticle/H2727-1

    Attached to the Congressional Record is the following letter:

    * * * * * BEGIN QUOTATION * * * * *
    Hon. Phil Mendelson,
    Council of the District of Columbia,
    Washington, DC.
    Dear Chairman Mendelson: We represent the city's broad and diverse faith community. We may believe and practice our faith differently. We may have divergent positions on important issues. However we all agree that faith communities have a right to freely exercise their religion and a responsibility to promote and protect this important freedom. We believe religious freedom is not only our priority, but also a priority in our society.
    We come together then to oppose the Reproductive Health Non-Discrimination Amendment Act of 2014. We believe it would infringe upon religious employers' freedom to make employment decisions when necessary to preserve their religious mission and identity. In doing so, the legislation would allow for unjust and unnecessary government interference into religious employers' governance and operations.
    While religious employers do not police employees' or dependents' private reproductive health decisions, these employers must have the freedom to respond to employees' public behavior repudiating their religious mission and identity.
    We believe that the legislation would in fact discriminate against religious employers in a manner prohibited by the significant constitutional and legal protections provided to religious organizations in the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
    We respectfully request that you oppose the Reproductive Health Non-Discrimination Amendment Act. We pray that you will be fair and reasonable in your considerations of our sincere concerns. We will follow up with you with regard to these priority concerns.
    Sincerely,
    Reverend Patrick Walker, President, Baptist Convention of D.C. and Vicinity; Reverend Susan Taylor, National Public Affairs Director, Church of Scientology National Affairs Office; Talib M. Shareef, CMSgt, USAF-Retired, Imam/President, The Nation's Mosque, Masjid Muhammad; Reverend Kendrick E. Curry, Pastor, Pennsylvania Avenue Baptist Church--DuPont Park; Reverend Dr. George C. Gilbert, Pastor, Holy Trinity United Baptist Church--Hillbrook; Reverend A.C. Durant, Pastor, Tenth Street Baptist Church--Shaw; Reverend Sylvia Stanard, Minister, Church of Scientology; Reverend Lee Holzinger, Minister, Church of Scientology; Reverend Monsignor Robert Panke, Rector, Saint John Paul II Seminary--Brookland; Reverend William Byrne, Secretary of Pastoral Ministry and Social Concerns, Archdiocese of Washington.
    Michael Scott, Director, D.C. Catholic Conference; Reverend Frederick Close, Pastor, St. Anthony Catholic Church--Brookland; Reverend Adam Y. Park, Pastor, Epiphany Catholic Church--Georgetown; Reverend Michael Briese, Pastor, Holy Name Catholic Church--Capitol Hill North; Reverend Monsignor Godfrey T. Mosley, Pastor, St. Ann Catholic Church--Tenleytown; Reverend Mark R. Ivany, Pastor, Assumption Catholic Church--Congress Heights; Reverend Michael J. Kelley, Pastor, St. Martin Catholic Church--Bloomingdale; Monsignor Raymond G. East, Pastor, St. Teresa of Avila Catholic Church--Anacostia; Reverend William Gurnee, Director of Spiritual Formation, Saint John Paul II Seminary--Brookland.
    Monsignor John Enzler, President and CEO, Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Washington; Reverend Henry A. Gaston, Pastor, Johnson Memorial Baptist Church; Reverend Beth Akiyama, Minister, Church of Scientology; Reverend Kay Holzinger, Minister, Church of Scientology; Reverend Mario E. Dorsonville, Vice President of Mission and Immigration Outreach, Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Washington; Reverend Avelino A. Gonzalez, Director, Ecumenical and Inter-Faith Affairs Archdiocese of Washington; Reverend Monsignor Ronald W. Jameson, Rector, Cathedral of Saint Matthew the Apostle--DuPont Circle; Reverend Monsignor James D. Watkins, Pastor, Immaculate Conception Catholic Church--Shaw; Reverend Monsignor Paul Langsfeld, Pastor, St. Joseph's Catholic Church on Capitol Hill.
    Reverend Gregory Schommer, O.P., Pastor, St. Dominic Catholic Church--Southwest Waterfront; Reverend Andrew F. Royals; Reverend Mark R. Ivany, Pastor, St. Benedict the Moor Catholic Church--Kingman Park; Reverend Ron Potts, Pastor, Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament--Chevy Chase; Reverend Thomas Franks, S.S.J., Pastor, Our Lady of Perpetual Help Catholic Church--Buena Vista; Reverend Cornelius Kelechi Ejiogu, S.S.J., Pastor, St. Luke Catholic Church--Marshall Heights; Reverend Alfred J. Harris, Pastor, St Mary Mother of God Catholic Church--Chinatown; Reverend Evelio Menjivar, Pastor, Our Lady Queen of the Americas--Kalorama; Reverend Richard Mullins, Pastor, St. Thomas Apostle Catholic Church--Woodley Park; Reverend Raymond M. Moore, Pastor, St. Thomas More Catholic Church--Washington Highlands; Monsignor Charles Pope, Pastor, Holy Comforter-Saint Cyprian Catholic Church--Capitol Hill.
    * * * * * END QUOTATION * * * * *
    Thereafter, on April 30, 2015, the Washington Posted noted that the House of Representatives had voted to strike down the Washington, D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination.
    Even leaving aside issues concerning mandated employer health insurance under Obamacare, abortion, birth control, and reproductive health, this is very important for a nuumber of additional reasons.
    It shows that the Church of Scientology has allied with the religous right, and particularly the Christian right, to push the issue of "religious liberty" -- i.e., religious exemptions from secular laws (e.g., concerning abortion, birth control, gay rights, etc. -- or, for Scientology, mandated employer health insurnace coverage for pssychiatric, psychological or other mental health care) under the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision.
    Perhaps redundantly -- but it bears repeating -- the Church of Scientology has allied with the religous right, and particularly the Christian right.
    The Church of Scientology National Affairs Office is perhaps not the joke some thought it was.
    The Church of Scientology may be playing a deeper game than many supsected. I don't believe the Church of Scientology really cares about the issues of abortion or birth control. This was about builidng alliances and the larger issue of "religious liberty" as discussed above.



    <Thanks again to CommunicatorIC for doing this research & analysis and posting it last month>

    If I were asked, I would opine that the CoS probably doesn't think the letter goes far enough, and would oppose mandated employer health insurance coverage of any kind for its employees - though I doubt we'll find them saying that on the record.
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  14. failboat Member

    Congress and the Trump Administration have failed in their attempt to repeal and replace Obamacare, which will remain the law of the land for the foreseeable future. As always, TWG brings us the headlines in this post. Trump told reporters today that he would be moving on to the next item in his agenda, tax reform, meaning it is unlikely this issue will be revisited soon. Next year is an election year, which will make health care even more of a sensitive and difficult issue around which to build consensus. It may not be until after the 2018 midterm election or even the 2020 general election that the Trump Administration might be able to return to health care policy - in the disastrous and unlikely event that he somehow gets a second term.
  15. failboat Member

    On Thursday, Republicans voted a bill through the House to repeal and replace Obamacare. Its prospects seem dim in the Senate, but a compromise bill is still possible after the Senate has their chance to modify or re-write it. Notably, the Congressional Budget Office has not yet issued a report for the House bill, and the Republicans neglected to hold any hearings on their bill, so the vote taken Thursday was a leap-before-you-look situation, something that the more deliberative Senate is unlikely to do. Expect the Senate to hold public hearings after the CBO report is released, and then a long, bickering sausage-making process.

    Personally, I am hopeful that they fail to reach a compromise and the Republican House members who voted for this have to pay in 2018 for the imprudent step of passing this before their own non-partisan budget office issued its findings on the bill.
  16. failboat Member

    Obamacare is still the law of the land after the Senate Republicans failed to gather enough votes for a motion to proceed to debate on their bill to repeal and replace. The Republicans' backup plan of repealing without replacement is also dead on arrival, as three of their Senators have immediately declared their opposition to that idea as well. It appears that the Republicans are stymied in their plans to repeal and replace ACA.
  17. failboat Member

    So-called "Skinny Repeal" failed to pass the Senate, 49-51. Republicans voting against were McCain, Murkowski, and Collins. Senate Majority Leader McConnell called for the Senate to move on to a defense bill that was passed by the House. Obamacare remains the law of the land.
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  18. The last gasps of the Republicans' attempts to repeal and replace Obamacare will take place this week, as the window for Reconciliation passage of any such bill ends on Saturday night (Sept 30). Right now, their bill looks dead.
  19. The Internet Member

    Good. A pox on those fuckers for scaring the shit out of tens of millions of Americans repeatedly, just to please their billionaire donors who want more billions.
  20. Universal healthcare will cost half the amount and will cover everybody

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