Official complaints made against Plymouth Cult of Scientology

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Stu, I don't want to be the cause of more stress for you, and I know you want this ended, but is it wrong of me to hope that you get another delay, one of, oh, exactly two months to the day?

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heh, I see what you did there.

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Feel free

To be quite honest, I'm not looking forward to a crown court trial, especially when there is every chance (in this mad Daily Mail world) that I would face jail time if I were convicted, as I have zero remorse for my actions.

You guys all know how I attack an 'enemy' when I get the chance (I'm a bit of a passive bulldog).... The government has been hiding from me for 18 months... refusing to speak to me (and boy, did I try getting through to them). Same goes for the CPS and the police. They all know what I am like, and I have been refused a soapbox to speak from up until my arrest....

... I personally think that they KNOW a trial over my medicinal cannabis stance would create yet more bad press for them, and I think that there are elements in power who will do everything to prevent me from having that soapbox. I have a little theory that my case will eventually get thrown out over administrative fuckups like today, but it will be dragged out and will take months...

Time will tell if I am right. Whatever the outcome, I have no fear about telling a courtroom what it is like living with my condition, my fear of being forced back onto NHS medication (and losing my mind) along with their refusal to prescribe me Sativex (the only cannabis med available on the NHS), and what it is like to receive phone calls from grown men who are in tears and who are suicidal, pleading with me to help them address their pain management needs.

Anyway... I have a month R&R time before all of that. I'm still going to be enturbulating in whatever ways I can (damn anti-harassment letter) and have a few master plans

Thank you everyone for your continued support and empathy!

I fucking love you all!

xxx

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Have you tried Sativex? Would it be possible to actually buy it direct from the company that produces it? Or even on a private prescription? I know it wouldn't be cheap, but is it a possibility?

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I tried Sativex once (I managed to get a vial on the black market), and it worked amazingly.

The problem in the UK is that it is not a fully licensed product. Even though its made in the UK (at Porton Down) by GW Pharmaceuticals, it has to be exported to a country that has a full license for the medicine (normally Canada) - and is then re-imported back into the UK (at $125CAD a vial) on a named patient basis. Many NHS trusts have blacklisted the medicine (its a drug maaan!), offering poison chemical meds instead.

It is very hard to obtain Sativex in the UK, and I know fully diagnosed terminal MS sufferers who have had the medicine withdrawn or denied.

So, its not available to me legally even if I did have the money to pay for it.

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Will be Praying for You stay God Blessed.:flowers:

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That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant defense - "I should be let off from doing something illegal because if you hadn't caught me for the other thing I was doing you'd never know".

If stu used that his sentence would probably be made 10x harsher just for his cheek in attempting it. And sorry but you're a twat if you actually think it would work, even for a second.

Stu: good luck with everything buddy. You deserve it - you actually follow shit up way more than practically anyone on here; someone fucks with you, it's go time. Other people, they get shat on and go "no, no, I don't want to draw attention to myself" and make a trillion excuses as to why they can't make an official complaint.

Protip to those of anon that follow aforementioned behaviour - if you have to make more than one excuse for something then you are attempting to find a reason to justify it to everyone including yourself, given that you don't actually have one.

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I did not say Stu should say 'not guilty' to the cannabis charges, because clearly he is, according to the current laws regardless of what you think about medicinal use of cannabis. I'm just trying to make the point that this case would never have got to court if it hadn't been for the police raid following the BULLSHIT ALLEGATIONS that he 'assaulted' that $ci in Plymouth, and if it were me I would make the point that it is only because of the 'fair game' policy of scientology that they made up the charges, so he would be raided, so they could get him on that because they knew the evidence against them on the assault case was far stronger than their case for it... which presumably they've quietly tried to drop?

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I think you fail to realise that if he does say anything along those lines the judge will view it as attempting to weasel out of the charges. Additionally, illegal is illegal, regardless of how it was discovered. And if no laws were broken to get the investigation to happen, then stu will have to wear the charges as legitimate. As it stands I also don't think he should have to, but that's not for either of us to decide. Also, the judge is not going to care that stu was caught because scientology was being crafty. He was caught, that's the long and short of it, and there's no putting the cat back in the bag.

So back to my original contention: your advice was atrocious and it would have been more fitting if you'd left your e-mouth shut.

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UNP, I think that basil didn't express himself very well, but the sense I got from his post was something along the lines of what I feel about the whole thing, that it's so fucking unfair that the Scilons get to tromp all over Stu because they set him up and then went BAAAAAAAAWing to the police.

Unfortunately, the world is a flawed and generally unfair place, something that all judges understand perfectly well. And you're right that no judge is going to give a shit one way or another about Scientology. So yeah, bringing it up in court would sound like a weasel wearing a tinfoil hat.

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He expressed himself perfectly. He stated that stu should "bring it up" in court and it's tough to be any more clear than that.

Right now he's trying to save face, which is pathetically amusing. I continue to stand by my original statement that it was a useless post containing a terrible idea.

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What would be the legal status of the search that originally uncovered the marijuana if it were found to be based on a false police report? And where are things with getting the $cilon charged with filing a false police report?

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I'm not trying to 'save face' as I have nothing to prove actually. I certainly don't have anything to prove to you.

I suggest you stop trolling me, and go back to enturbulating the cult. That's why I'm here, not to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

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At the end of the day, the police arrived at my place, and after they had identified me they had legal right of entry and a legal right to search (under the PACE laws).... this is regardless of their initial reason for coming to my door. I understand this now....

Re: Sandra filing the false report, they are aware of the facts (they have seen the vids) and it is up to them if they wish to pursue this (I cannot force them to).

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I know that if the case goes ahead you want it to be a show-trial for your pro-drug stance, but I'm afraid it simply wont be that. Even if you represent yourself the judge isn't going to entertain extended rhetoric on why it should be allowed in the UK - it's not within their powers and it's not relevant to the offence. I'm afraid they'll simply tell your solicitor to STFU and move on if he tries to spend any serious time talking about what you think government policy should be.

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Yeah, I know. I'm fully aware of the risks etc. involved... (and the lack of any real legal argument). I think I'm just going to put my head on the block, but in doing so, explaining my reasons for my actions. There is a little known fact that while a UK jury cannot say if a law is right or wrong, they do actually have the power to say if a law has been misapplied in a certain case and ask the judge for a mistrial. Its a weak shot, but I'm going to give it a go.

At the end of the day, not a single person has been able to explain to me why cannabis is denied for medicinal reasons. The reason for this, is that there is no real answer. The law is totally unjustifiable, and nobody in power will discuss this law with me.

All I can do is improvise on the day...

[Edit] .... and pray to the great lord Xenu.

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Just be careful, courts are no place to be improvising really stu.

Courts are bloody stressful places.

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I can tell you the answer, and here it is:

Because there was a huge anti-pot movement in the 60s, probably related to the fact that the hippies scared the shit out of the establishment. So they trumped up studies showing how BAD OMG!!!!! it is, and how it MAKES YOU DO CRACK AND HEROIN!!!!!

Most of the people who passed this shit are still in power. I think that a time goes by and a generation or two interposes itself between the people who started the anti-pot ball rolling and the people in charge, you'll start to see a shift towards legalization. That's already starting to happen in the US, and we're not exactly known as libertines over here.

Just as long as no one is smoking it where the smoke can make me sick, I'm good.

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Can we equally put half our chromosomes into a little pile of a cell and create life to be grown in my abdomen for nine months to emerge as a combination of our genetics and thus at least 50% awesome?

Srsly Stu.
Bless you and keep on rockin'.

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You've got over nine-thousand Anons supporting you. Good luck. Just do your best to relax in the meantime. Stress doesn't help.

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1)

Stop the flaming in this thread.

2)

Stu, you rock, I wish you the best of luck and personally support your position.

3)

Next time londonanons come up to plymouth for a raid, I support the idea of a group cleanup for you, got a vacuum cleaner? :flowers:

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if not i have a small vacuum cleaner that is practical to bring

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Moralfag mode ENGAGE

:flowers:
:anon:

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Yeah, I've got an old battered Dyson, but I also have a huge amount of male pride... and even refuse my parents into my place (they offered to clean/tidy up) due to the mess. I do have my ex (Billie - star of the undercover job interview vid) who pops in from time to time, and she has a cleaning OCD

Thank you so much for the offer, but my pride will probably force me to say no

:flowers:
xxx

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Hi guys.

I was called in to Charles Cross police station today to speak to the two PC's who were dealing with my complaints against Scientology. The long and short of it is that they will not be taking any further action

It was explained to me adequately, the reasons why etc, and I can see why this is the case. The 2 PC's had watched nearly every cultwatch video, and had also gone through City Centre CCTV footage of the incidents... They had also asked for advice from their superiors and also the Crown Prosecution Service.

Re: the theft of the signs - as an officer had already attended and retrieved the signs back, and gave Vicky a stern telling off, as far as the law is concerned, the situation was dealt with.

Re: the various assaults.... it was explained to me that a good defense solicitor could easily argue that there was a lot of tit-for-tat.... and none of the videos show clear signs of assault.

Re: the telephone harassment - because I phoned Ryan back (to let him know I had his number after he refused to block him), and also spoke with him for 20 odd minutes when he finally called me back, it basically destroyed any legal argument I had.

So yeah... Because I am such a bull-baiting protester at times, I kind of fucked up any chance of them being prosecuted....

*BUT* the police will be having a word with all the Scientologists involved, and reminding them about the laws (as they did with me)....

I tried guys... but at least its all on record at the police station and also on youtube for all the world to see. I will try and do another video tomorrow (first one using Ubuntu linux) explaining in a bit more detail.

Thanks for all your support guys!
Im sure that one of us will get a Scientologist in court before too long.

xxx

[Edit] \/\/\/\/ I agree 100% with everything you say.

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This is why I feel that:

1. No one should protest or otherwise (including the pursuit of a scilon thief) alone, for violence and for witnessing
2. Multiple cameras should be on ANY scilon at all times... not just "let's film this person from my perspective" since there is no way that you can capture assault. This was evident to me recently with the viewing of the hammer assault on WBM. With Mark's camera perspective, all you could see was the guy go at the camera, but with the German cameraman's perspective you could see that the assaulter was armed with a hammer and struck it at Mark.

You can say, "ASSAULT!!" all you like, but with no injuries and a camera that just shows a scuffle and "Don't touch me!" from an anon... you pretty much have nothing. People are skeptical, especially when it comes to an activist group and any contact between the two opposing sides. "So and so only acted like they were assaulted and cried out to make the other side look bad... but all you can see is a shuffled camera."

So far, all of the assault videos have had nothing other than cameras that are shuffled around, with the exception to very few.

I don't mean to come down on you Stu, or anyone else, but this has been bothering me lately with the recent rise of your pressing charges as well as others attempting to press charges against church officials. Even though one could have plenty of testimony and plenty of video where a scilon gets too close and the video is shuffled around, we don't have any actual footage of someone being touched, restrained, or otherwise.

I still support you and still stand by what my last post said... but I was a little concerned about the video being the proof.

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Ne'er mind. It'll just make them cocky, and they'll end up getting themselves in shit again.

Stay well brudda.

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At least the fuzz looked into it properly and have a much better idea of both sides of the situation now.

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This is exactly how I feel. I knew when I made the complaints that there would be very little chance of seeing the Sci's in court, but I wanted the police to appreciate and understand the bigger picture.

The police are now aware of the full story, which is good
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That's enough for me to call it a win.

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so: there will be no dawn raids at Vicky, sandra or Ryans gaffs then???


hmmn, if plodz don't do this then there's a clear disregard for assaults by $cilons on Stu, they got to trawl thru' Stu's stuff & find shit.

Stu still has the harassment order agin him & if teh $cilons don't get one too...? then thats just shit.

innit?

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I kind of agree with Mickturate. This all seems very one sided. The $cilons made one trumped up charge and Stu's house got ransacked, and nothing was done about the trumped up charges. Not even a slap on the wrist for wasting police time, but Stu gets basically a restraining order.

Several charges against the $cilons later, they allegedly get a telling off.

So the $cilons have brought false charges, have harassed a peaceful protester, have stolen property of protesters, and have slandered protersters. Result: Maybe get a word in their ear.

Stu. Has Peacefully protested. Result: Police raid on home and court time.

Does this picture look 'off' to anyone else?

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Yes.

Although I guess it's always easier to say "I'd have handled it differently" when it's not us that's the one suffering the harrassment.

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A song about aboriginal land rights in Australia? wut

OT: All the best Stu and I hope rampant police corruption doesn't get in the way of your complaint.

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NOT roast of Stu' and his handling of teh situation...
the man does what he does & he does fucking it well.

what it is: is a fucking indictment of the faggot cowardly plodz in plymuff who will not/dare not? stand with us against these slime...

rant? don't get me started.

teh $cilons have got plodz to twist a law agin stalking to stop Stu' from peaceful protesting,
because:
he did it well, he made them look like the sick n twisted twunts they really are, he got vidz, gained lulz & enturbulated the fuck out of em...so they dead agented him & the plymuff plodz use section 60 on us, harasment letters on Stu to do the dirty work of teh $cilons....

a word in their ear? the world SAW sticky vicky boyce STEAL, ASSAULT & ASSAULT again & they do FUCK ALL,
ghandi tech? Ghandi would've called em cunts.....cos he saw things as they ARE.

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PC Moon (the arresting officer, and the one who issued the anti harassment order) fucked up in my eyes by issuing me with the anti-harassment order. He saw a situation.... didn't really get to the bottom of it, and took the easy way out to diffuse the situation.

The fact is, is that I have been issued with this letter.... and there is no going back.

However, I have made enough noise with the local force to remind them that peaceful protesting != harassment.... so the letter is NOT going to stop me protesting against the cult this Saturday. Nor will it prevent me from picketing their stress-test cart in town.

There is a risk involved with all of this, and that it is up to the interpretation of the attending police officer as to whether I am allowed to protest, or have to move on, or have to be arrested.... *but* like I said, I've made enough noise that I think the police will play very fairly.

Re: the police actions of late - see it from their point of view. They are being bombarded with complaints from the cult, and are having Sci lawyers write to them citing DIRECT QUOTES from the law... The police eventually had to act....

Is it unfair? YES! Totally!

... but the laws in the UK as we all know are not that fair any more, and side with the rich and powerful.

Welcome to an Orwellian society. Its been that way for a while now.

Please do not change target, and attack the police over this. It will help nobody... and at the end of the day, I personally don't think that it is the Police's fault. They just have to police fucked up laws.

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Can this PC Moon guy not cancel this anti harassment order?

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Yes, he can.

but for pc mo(r missing here)on to do this, he'd have to accept he fucked up.
& plodz don't liek doing this.

in many ways they/plodz are like $cilons: their mindz move along pre programmed tracks, & if summink new comes up, they find it hard to improvise, what we do have to do is to get these stories into the press-and right now?

press is scaerd; responses to my invite to them to come along/cover the story = 0.0

we kno's the $cilons are not made of titanium, teh press don't, & thats why boys n girls (we can't have nice things) they call it: Yellow journalism.

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We CAN write letters to Plod citing the letter of the law - I've got chapter and verse with bloody Section 60 now so why should that make a difference? Granted we don't have a knowledge of precedents but that doesn't make us any less potent - makes me rail for a written constitution!

Plod are consistently taking the easy way out over all of this - Section 60 last month was supposed to disperse us the easy way but it failed. Stu's anti-harassment letter is also the easy way out. If we get another one this month then it's IPCC time for a breach of the Police Code of Conduct.

For me this is on target since if the police walk all over us then we can't take on Co$. That, and I'll just go to Bristol for my raids rather than Plymouth since Plod there are so much nicer (only got a PCSO this time who just wanted to know how long we'd be there).

Anyway, good luck with everything Stu. *hugs and caek*

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Sure... Please do!!! The more the merrier. As long as the letters are polite and to the point... and we are persistent... I'm sure that the police will eventually see the bigger picture and allow us our legal rights.

So yeah, please start a paper trail and force a far greater line of communication with the police. The more protesters who get involved with this, the more police will become involved - which means that the police will slowly be informed of the full facts about the protests.

I for one am going to stay in Plymouth and continue to fight for my legal right to protest. I have had many offers to go to other cities to protest (where there are hundreds of protesters instead of 15), and where they have had virtually zero policing problems.... but I have to stay in Plymouth to make a stand. I've been tempted.... sorely tempted, to go elsewhere for the global protests (where I wouldn't run the constant risk of being arrested and locked up)... but like I said... I have to make a stand.

See you Saturday
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