Operation Armenia 2013

Discussion in 'Projects' started by HelloComputer, Apr 13, 2013.

  1. HelloComputer Member

    DISCLAIMER: This content pertains to the Armenian Genocide, a massacre of Armenians committed by the Ottoman Empire which is now Turkey (and this country refuses to acknowledge the events as a holocaust/genocide, sometimes even refuses to acknowledge it at all.) If you are offended by this content, please try and keep yourself under control instead of lashing out in this forum.

    I know this probably won't matter to some, but here goes. Story time.

    What was the Armenian Genocide?

    The Armenian Genocide, as defined by Wikipedia, was "the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minority Armenian subjects from their historic homeland in the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey."
    Tensions between Armenians and Turks first arose when Armenia was taken under the rule of the Ottoman Empire in the 15th and 16th centuries. The Turks extremely despised the Armenians, as they were Christians and refused to become Islam like them. With the exception of some extremely wealthy Armenians, most (≈70%) of Armenians were poor, living in a cruel regime under the Turks, and, along with the Greeks, were spat upon by the Turks. They were not equal to Muslims, and could not do many things that Muslims were allowed to do, such as to be armed or to ride a horse. And even though there were rich Armenians which were more successful than even the Turks, the Turks only resented their success.
    Fast forward multiple years into the future (the 19th century), and a new class of Armenians, the intellectuals, arrived. With the intellectuals to carry out their government, Armenia was strong enough to be recognized by the Three Great Powers of Europe (Great Britain, France, and Russia). The Powers had pressured the Ottoman Empire and had stated that they had the right to protect the Christian minority living in both the Empire and Europe. When the Ottoman Empire refused this, their comment only led to a war between them and Russia, with Russia winning and the Armenians looking up more to Russia than the Turks.
    Now, this is where it gets fun.
    With the Ottoman Empire angry at the constant sympathy received by Armenians from Europe and America, they decided that Armenians were never a majority in the Ottoman Empire and that they had lied about their constant claims of abuse by the Ottoman Empire. And, with that, the Empire launched a string of attacks against the Armenians, including 2 large-scaled massacres (protests by Armenians against them were violently broken up) and even an attack against an Armenian defense force (The Siege of Van), which resulted in an Armenian victory. Just 4 days after the Siege of Van, however, the Ottoman Empire ordered the deportation and mass execution of around 250 Armenian intellectuals living in Constantinople (later, the figure was brought up to 500-600) and eventually ordered the massacres of what was later totaled up to 1-1.5 million Armenians in the Empire. Ways for killing the Armenians included mass burning, drowning, and use of poison/drug overdoses, to name a few; ways to deport them included either sending them to extermination camps in Turkey or making them march by foot to a desert in Syria, depriving them of any supply or help (Help? Ha, the Turks even tried raping, robbing, or even killing the Armenians when they were marching to nowhere.) In the end, despite the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire in 1923, the assassination of Talaat Pasha (who conceived the Genocide in the first place) in 1920, and relief from the Americans, the Armenians were saddened by the event they now refer to as "the Great Crime."


    What, according to the United Nations, is a "genocide?"
    "The deliberate and systematic destruction of, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group." Due to its motives, the killings of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire can be considered an attempt at the annihilation of the ethnic group, thus labeling it more of a genocide than a large-scaled massacre.
    How many countries fully acknowledge the Armenian Genocide?
    With the exception of America (its government and only 43 states acknowledge the Genocide) and Bulgaria (whose protests to recognize the Armenian Genocide were voted down), 21 countries acknowledge the Armenian Genocide: Argentina, Armenia, Belgium, Canada, Chile, Cyprus, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Lithuania, Lebanon, The Netherlands, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Sweden, Switzerland, Uruguay, Vatican City, and Venezuela.
    What were the after-effects of the genocide?
    Surviving Armenians went away to places like America (the largest population of Armenians being centered in California) and Europe (the most common destination being Russia). Now, estimates of the Armenian population worldwide say that ≈50% of the worldwide Armenian population was actually located in the republic of Armenia (This is an accurate statistic of the worldwide population of Armenia.)

    As of now, Armenia is an emerging democracy and is negotiating with the European Union to become a member of the EU. However, the majority of the after-effects of the genocide were not as hopeful as the current state of Armenia mentioned above. They are, at the core, parallels to the results of the Holocaust in Poland and the peoples of Poland, troubling the what-was-once rapid development of both the country and the religion. Just as the Holocaust impacted the Polish people and the country of Poland negatively, the Genocide troubled Armenians both mentally and physically. In one case, Komitas Vardapet, an Armenian composer, was freed from Ottoman torture during the genocide due to the fact that he was a "genius" (his release was agreed on by the American and Turkish governments), but had a psychotic breakdown after witnessing the events and spent the last 20 years of his life in a psychiatric hospital, never composing anything again. The negative after-effects of the genocide made the what-could-have-been-thriving country of Armenia a weak and maybe even poor country that wasn't as strong as what it could've been had the event never occurred.
    How many countries deny that the genocide even occurred?
    2; Turkey and Azerbaijan, the two countries being old rivals of Armenia, albeit Azerbaijan's rivalry with Armenia being more verbal than physical (Other than a war that occurred between the two involving Azerbaijan taking land from Armenia and claiming it as theirs lasting from 1988-1994, there have been only political conflicts and minor, non-military border fights between the Armenians and the Azeri.)
    However, there are mixed opinions in Turkey on what really occurred. For instance, some people in Turkey believe that the term "genocide" is not the way to describe it, while some believe that the event never occurred altogether.

    Thread Info

    What is the purpose of this thread?
    The purpose of this thread is to inform the community of WWP about the Armenian Genocide and get them to realize that there WAS a mass genocide in Armenia, that this was the reason why many Armenians fled to places around the world, and that it greatly, but negatively, affected both the Armenian population and the country of Armenia. Even though the event is considered by a number of countries to be both de jure and de facto, de jure in many countries states that the genocide never occurred. So, in short terms, this thread was created by me to try and get people to realize what had happened and try to make their governments realize that the events were both de jure and de facto, if they hadn't.

    How does this relate to other threads with similar purposes on WWP?
    The genocide was a mass killing that affected the history of Armenians and the country of Armenia so much that it just made Armenia look just like a small blob on depictions of the world. Most of WWP's threads have to do with rebelling against the lack of information given to the people by "cults" (i.e. Scientology), governments, and systems that play a certain amount of power in the world. If we were to convince our governments that yes, the genocide did happen and that it did almost wipe out the entire Armenian ethnic group, then our governments could educate their people about this small nation, nearly wiped off the face of the planet, that did not fall from getting no help. It did not fall when we ignored and abandoned it, leaving it in the dirt, and it is struggling now to get to the stage it wants to be in, a prosperous democracy with a large history that could not be knocked out by any strength.


    "I should like to see any power of the world destroy this race, this small tribe of unimportant people, whose wars have all been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, literature is unread, music is unheard, and prayers are no more answered. Go ahead, destroy Armenia. See if you can do it. Send them into the desert without bread or water. Burn their homes and churches. Then see if they will not laugh, sing and pray again. For when two of them meet anywhere in the world, see if they will not create a New Armenia." -William Saroyan, 1935

    Again, I am sorry for any inconvenience I might have caused.
    I do not hate Turkey or any other country that I might have mentioned in a "negative" way. My only purposes for this thread have been listed above.
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  2. Anonymous Member

    Thank you for that informative post, HelloComputer.

    I think that an acknowledgement of facts, such as the crimes genocide against the Armenians is an absolute good, in itself, and that the understanding of that truth cannot but have positive results.

    But the current Turkish government seems less and less secular, more and more belligerent by the day, and will not acknowledge the genocide while it continues down this path, I suspect. The genocide offends the aspirations of the Turkish government, as far as I can see.

    Had the National Socialists survived WWII, one could imagine that Germany might still try the bold holocaust denial of the Turkish Government.

    I wouldn't expect much from the current Turkish Government, but no-one else need be so constrained.

    Apart from the nations that acknowledge the Turkish crimes, subnational governments do so, as well.
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  3. Anonymous Member

    Its conspicuous that the claim that "Tehran regional government recognized the Armenian Genocide" on Wikipedia doesn't have a citation.
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  4. This is a great way to spread the word about the Armenian Genocide. Serj Tankian might like this idea too!

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