I was wondering if Ben Ali had a militia,now I know. Was it them that set fire to the train station ? Thanks for the pics nemesis,glad you are ok bro.
thats amazing, they say thanks for the support and for hacking the gov sites. not enought time yet, i might translate it later.
The ex security chief for for Ben ali has been arrested. His name zine al abidine. There are reports of exchanges of fire between the army and gunmen in Tunis.
go on germanfags, just a quick translation, dont mind spelling 'n all that. Pretty please? /sugarontop
There is heavy fighting in the northern suburbs of tunis near the presidential palace. The fighting is between Ben alis bodyguards and the army Heavy exchanges of gunfire reported.
This are nice http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/01/20111614145839362.html --> cyberwar in Tunisia http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/01/2011115135046129936.html ---> To the tyrants of the Arab world... Edit: mmm, did the old wwp automatically render articles titles for links? Can it be done in the new wwp?
Hopefully the army will restore order quickly and then step back to let the civil government run things--without a radical faction gaining power or western powers trying to interfere. (Interference always creates problems that have to be "solved" 20 years later with more interference.)
I would caution against the phrase "any means necessary." Many equate those words as justification or encouragement of violent action.
Has anyone else been looking into the situation in Libya? I've been spending a lot of time looking into it, and through twitter, I got in contact with someone currently IN Libya. Here's what I know FOR SURE so far: The Libyan Government has blocked ALL access to YouTube due to people uploading videos from protests. I have found a few videos, most of them are here: http://www.enduringamerica.com/home/2011/1/16/libya-and-egypt-videos-politics-and-protest.html These protests/ riots have been going on for three days. Reports and video of unrest have so far come out of Beida, the third-largest city in Libya, Darna, Zuwara, Zawiya, Tajoorah, Bayda, and Benghazi. These protests were indeed sparked and influenced by the events taking place in Tunisia. Do any other anon's think Libya has the potential to pull a Tunisia? I've seen some talk about the desire for an Operation Libya, but I think we need more information first. After getting enough information about the situation in Libya, we can decide whether these are just some small protests or could be something bigger. With YouTube being blocked, things look as if this isn't normal unrest. There has been a great lack of media coverage of what's going on in Libya, it's very confusing right now. Lets figure some shit out and see if the success of Tunisia can spread to Libya! It would truly be an unprecedented event if revolution began there too. I encourage any anon's interested to start doing some research, look for Libyan people on twitter/ facebook, look for news articles etc. Google translate has been doing a passable job with Arabic to English translations for me, so don't be discouraged if you come across websites you can't read. Should we make a Libya thread? I'd love to spread the information and articles shared with me by the guy I found in Libya. He's offered to share everything he learns about what's going on. edit: Good ol' leakspinner seems to have a good handle on the Libya situation as well. Need a summary; here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-o9IlpMHhs Also he linked to in article I had seen earlier in Arabic, also gives some information http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/4032.aspx
So here's an interesting ethical question, what do you do if the people you supported start engaging in reprisals and retaliatory violence?
My advice is to prioritize. My suggestions: Establish peace and a stable government. Get the basic services up and running and allow private business to happen. (Provide a safe environment for commerce, but try not to get in the way, especially with fruit vendors.) Transition from military control. (Probably have to shake the roaches out of the police organizations.) Good relations with neighboring countries. Good relations with large outside powers. Reassure banking/financial groups of the country's stability. Rebuild the confidence of tourist trade. (Spin it as a flourishing re-birth of Tunisia, come and see!) Any trials and justice (not revenge) should come later. Certainly seize assets and bank accounts now to stop them from disappearing, but even if Ben Ali retires to a luxury villa on Ex-Dictator Row, at least he will be gone. The best revenge is living well.
It looks like the new government will have a mixture of lawers and trade unionists included,so we will have to see what happens
fucking this guise. This should be the focus of the op now, In my view. It would not only give great justice, it would also send a message to the other tyrannies in the world...
How many barrels will thy vengeance yield thee even if thou gettest it, Captain Ahab? it will not fetch thee much in our Nantucket Carthage market.
What does Tunisia have economically that would attract outside investors and private enterprise. I am asking from a real sense of curiousity. A previous poster made statements about ways that Tunisians should act now that Ben Ali is gone, and it made me question. As far as I can tell they do not have any large oil reserves but they do seem to have respectable amount of zinc, iron and raw steel. Looking at the statistics I saw it would be a good place for several industries to setup shop. Recently Zinc has been in demand for Zinc Oxide batteries to help run electric cars, and iron and raw steel will always be useful for industry. I think one of the problems though was that it seems most of their mineral wealth was being exported cheaply to outside organizations which meant very little manufacturing jobs. Perhaps some of the tunisians with the help of private foreign investors could work together and create some real manufacturing in the country itself creating many jobs. Here is one thought considering what is available in their country, perhaps they could produce electric cars to run off of zinc oxide batteries. As far as I know it would be the first african nation to do so and the materials are already there so it should make the idea relatively cheaper to produce in country and import them. All I know is that this revolution occured becuase of a depressed economy based mostly upon service industry that could not provide adequate employment opportunities to the young men and women. It would be horrible if they did all this and brought democracy to their country only to have it fall apart because they still have the same problems.
Sorry if this has already been posted still going through thread. But I requested translation on You Tube and was sent this:
[/quote] Gaddafi gets the internet. I bet he spends all his time on /jb/, when his big titted ukrainian nurse is sleeping.
If Muammar Gaddafi leaves the woman alone while she sleeps he's at least one up on Julian Assange - allegedly.
In using that image, are you implying that the "mission accomplished" is just something to hold us over for now?
