Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? I was wondering if we have any kind of comprehensive list of the orgs that have closed in the last year, as well as any other downstats (such as sales of Dianetics and Scientology Service Completions). All info would be greatly appreciated!!
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Woefully out of date Org/Front Group closings - Ex Scientologist Message Board
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Started this list on another thread. Its also is vacant buildings THE FOLLOWING ORGS ARE CONFRIMED EMPTY!!!!! (or as "Dubber" quipped, these are NOT IDEAL ORGS BUT "IDLE ORGS") THERE IS ALSO A LIST OF UNCONFIRMED VACANT PROPERTIES ON POST #64 IN THIS THREAD, IF YOU CAN HELP CONFIRM ANY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT! Boston, Mass Alexndria Hotel corner of Mass Ave Gatehead UK Brussels Belgium Closed '08 Church of Scientology Vosstaniye Square St. Petersburg RUSSIA Church of Scientology of Sunderland 51 Fawcett Street Sunderland UK South Taiwan -10 story building vacant for 10 years Cleawater Florida POWER BUILDING next to Fort Harrison Hotel vacant for 10 years Pitmaston building in Moor Green Lane Birmingham UK- purchased in 2008 - for 6 million Hollywood CA .- 6724 Hollywood Blvd. Purchased in 1979- vacant since 2005?? Washington DC purchased 2005 Ascot Vale Ideal Org Mt Alexander Rd Victoria Australia purchased in 2007 for 7 million Clearwater Academy International corner of S Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue and Wyatt Street in August 2006 for $995,000. NASHVILLE- The Church of Scientology 1130 Eight Ave. S. -6 million ( this one may have a Grand opening, soon will take off list if it happens) Super Power Building - 215 S Fort Harrison Ave Clearwater Fl. bought for 3.5 mil -bought in 1998! Harlem NY East 125th Street bought for 10 million in 2003 New Haven Ct. Ideal Org 949 Whalley Ave bought for 1.5 mil in 2003 Montreal Canada -La Patrie Building on 182 St Catherine St E. , bought for 4.25 mil in 2007 St. Louis MO. Ideal Org-2345 Lafayette St Paul MN Ideal Org 505 Wabasha St bought in June 2007 Church of Scientology Mission Largo Inc. Fla is paying $389,000 -160 Sixth St. SW and the house behind it at 520 Cleveland Ave Chicago Il. Artcraft Building Printer's Row 650 S Clark St - bought in 2007 (The Church of Scientology proposes to change the building from DX-12, a downtown mixed-use district, to DR-10, a downtown residential classification.2/25/09) "Do you want to come into a neighborhood that doesn't want you?" asked Printers Row dweller Susan Rice. "Nobody wants you here that I know. Is that what you want?" Passedena Ca.- 12 mill Detroit Michigan One Griswold Street bought for 3.5 mil in 2007 Las Vegas NV- on Emerson Ave bought in 2007 San Diego Coleman College Bldg bought in 2007 San Diego Ideal Org bought for 9.8 mil? in 2007 Gizmo Building Albuquerque NM -401 Central bought in 2007 for 2.2 million- now renting out to clothing store . Masonic Temple Building 505 N. Sycamore St., Santa Ana, CA purchased 2006 Mission of East Toronto, NORTHUMBRIA IDEAL ORG Canada -purchased in 2006 Pugent Sound Washington State-old state-government building in lower Queen Anne for $3.7 million in 2005 CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF GEORGIA INC 5395 ROSWELL RD- 5 mil ....purchased 2004? Ohio Columbus Org 1266 Dublin Rd. (purchased from Time Warner!) purchased for 2.8 million The Stevens Building in Portland Oregon bought for 5.4 million
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Mission of East Toronto is closed. http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/cos-mission-east-toronto-closed-41752/
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Can re-confirm its empty. (But these are already confirmed, rite?) But Pasadena hass only one Ess. Confirm empty (redundant ikno) - also confirm they are the same campus. It appears that Anons may actually be doing more "work" on it than CoS; on our last few visits, there has been little sign that CoS had been there at all in the interim. Structure is bad shape; unsound and may need to be razed and rebuilt from scratch. "Fixer upper" LOL.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? I make this about 30 buildings, total cost perhaps $150 million. Is this a large, small or insignificant amount for an organisation whose annual income was recently estimated at $500 million? but that was in the good old days before the nameless ones. Let us say it is negligible. Would those who know the local market say the value of these buildings was going up, down or through the floor? Is this a kind of land bank or portfolio or does Co$ have some coherent plan? How long have most of these buildings been empty? Are they part of the Ideal Org scam or is this FAIL on a large scale? My own idea is that these buildings should all be full of new recruits writing large cheques which would keep everything going but that this is no longer happening. It makes the $22 million raised for Ideal Orgs in 2008-9 in Western USA (other thread of Stats for WUSA) seem a tiny amount.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Gateshead UK is NORTHUMBRIA IDEAL ORG purchased in 2007 (Mission of East Toronto, NORTHUMBRIA IDEAL ORG Canada -purchased in 2006) hope this is not another case of canadians nicking our tourist attractions BBC NEWS | England | Tyne | Northumberland beach in Canada ad
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? OK not to be a downer but: You have the super power building listed twice here. I remember a recent discussion about kids going to the Clearwater Academy. So can we get a clarification from Clearwater anons as to this status? Nashville has opened, right? So that shouldn't be in here. Harlem org is open(at least at the moment). I think that the Whalley street org in CT is open. Can we get a clarification of the others on this list from Anons in the areas?
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Missing from the list is Philadelphia, PA. Their downtown location has been locked closed for months with all of their crap left inside.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? maybe because SP Bldg. is so large they had to list it twice? Clearwater Academy is still open. it did move from one location to another.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Atlanta: currently moving from Shallowford Org to Roswell Org, though a lot of neighborhood / Anon protest may halt that. Stay tuned.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Thanks will update. Whalley Ave New Haven , Ct. has TWO locations up the street from one another. The smaller one is open, the BIGGER one has been sitting there for 6 years empty. Nashville .....I will update if its the same building? and are you sure about Harlem???? Some on the list are just vacant buildings they bought and never did anything with.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Do you have the address for this one ???? and price paid and when, and how long has it been vacant?
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? SD: moving from downtown to la mesa (High-profile, reasonably nice building in the center of town ---> a dump) move is still "in progress" as the dump is not habitable at present. Possibly will need major repairs, though maybe they can fill in the holes with Ogres. The good news (for CoS) - much bigger, more space, farther away from nosy Anons. New neighborhs don't yet haet them as much as the old ones do. The bad- pretty much everything else.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Double checking. I think the question here may be two buildings in each case. So it can be confusing.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? That org is NOT closed. Although, it's never going to OPEN. That's the building the local scilons bought to set up an Ideal Org, but it needs a ton of repairs and has shown no improvement since chanology began. Those signs and books out front are the only things in the building. The actual philly org a couple roads over is (unfortunately) still open.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? You can add the old Dallas org on becker. As far as i know they haven't been able to sell it yet so its just sitting there.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? WIN! One of our SD anons went by the Chula Vista mission to drop off a flier. It's GONE! In a way, that's a shame. We never got to raid it. We did stake it out once, from the Marie Callender's restaurant patio across the street. We were there for several hours, and did not see one person go in. They folded and left, and never got raided!
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Co$ is suffering, like everybody else these days. My guess is that we will see a lot more of the smaller satellite orgs closing. Also, I think they know that it looks bad that their shops are always empty. It's probably better for morale to have a handful of people gathered at one location, than hardly anybody at five. Cheaper too, and I suspect the properties they own will either be rented out (and subject to tax), or sold. This is inevitable. Scientology seems to have shrunk over the last 10 years or so. Other fringe groups, like BOTA and Eckenkar, are sustaining themselves at low, practically invisible levels (without celebrities), and I'm sure Scientology will follow suit once the money vanishes. I don't think Scientology will ever go away completely. It will become marginalized over time. The world has moved on, and most people are far too sophisticated to buy into their outdated "tech".
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Flubtard's BS will never go away, not while there's still a Freezone, or Marty Rathbun selling his home-brew auditing. But we can sure as hell make sure Organised Scientology, is raep'd into oblivion
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxN-YQcPH1Q]YouTube - only a downstat[/ame] Only a downstat Personality problem He would say things like 'I love you' And cry real tears Met him in some place Like a home for old mothers Where the cure is always death But no-one ever leaves He wore a number 7 Badge on his collar He would show it with pride And say 'it means I can feel' He'd bribe the warders To send letters to someone Who didn't even know his name But said she'd read them anyway And in the evening (??) He writes poetry for people Who deny he's alive And say 'I'll mention that name' A violator of the law of no feelings They should be put in the chair Until their eyes come in (??) If you have reasons I might sell you my time I'll leave it under the stairs In a body of mine Old memories are slowly fading out of me We are the unknowns, we are all you need If you can get hold of a copy of Gary Numan's "Replicas" album there's some great songs on it like Only a Downstat, Praying to the Aliens, Me I disconnect from you, clearly written with Scientology in mind.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? To my knowledge the Harlem Org in NYC is running, but I doubt there's anything going on in there.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? The org has moved from Friedrichstraße to Hermannstraße and the CC has moved from Luisenstraße to Wiesenstraße.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Ok. What if we all posted the stat of Bodies in the Shop for any area you have info on? This stat reflects how many ACTIVE public on lines on a PAID for service. This can be in the course room or on auditing lines. This can give us an idea how well the orgs are REALLY doing. Week ending 19 April 09, per a staff member at the Battle Creek org, the BIS was running around 50. This org has a combined day & night crew.
Re: Orgs Closing and Other Downstats? Bay Cities Mission/Benicia is gone, no longer in existence. I called a few months back and was told that this mission "consolidated with Berkeley Mission". In scientology, missions and orgs do not consolidate. The truth is Bay Cities Mission no longer exists!
