Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. While Planned Parenthood is a national organization, each chapter is independently run and organized. Reaching out to specific clinics isn't a bad idea but they are usually understaffed, overworked and don't have the authority to set policy for the organization as a whole. A better approach would be to start at the top and get them to be concerned about potential legal ramifications and the interference with a woman's right to choice. From there, they can take whatever steps are appropriate to make sure their councilors and doctors are aware of this matter and respond accordingly. Planned Parenthood of Los Angeles' headquarters is: 400W. 31st St. Los Angeles, CA 90007 Ph 323-223-4462 The President and CEO is Mary-Jane Wagle and she would probably be very interested to learn about some of Scientology's coercive practices and would be able to direct this matter to the appropriate department. Information on all local headquarters can be found here.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. 1: Florida is also a two-party consent state, which means it wiill be just as illegal there as in California 2: The idea wasn't to prank call Planned Parenthood, it was to get their help.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. No. Then we all cry. It's pathetic that Scientology coerces their Sea Org staff to have abortions. There's nothing funny about it at all. google coerced abortion
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Yes. You can help by staying away from this particular operation. The OP has a really great, specific idea that would help Planned Parenthood help women who are in a horrible situation. I don't want to see it fall by the wayside because anti-choice anons want to co-opt us into their agenda. Planned Parenthood performs abortions. Anti-choice groups have never helped them, except maybe in the way Scientology helps people, and they never will. There is no role for anti-choice people in an action that involves assisting PP. If PP believes Anon is using the forced abortion issue, cloaked as a pro-woman issue, they'll ignore us. We're here to fight Scn, at least I am. One of the reasons I'm against Scn is forced abortions, which are illegal. I don't want to ally with a group that wants to make all abortions illegal and sees us as the way in. In fact, I don't want to ally with any group. I want to be an Anon who fights all of Scn's illegal practices, with no ulterior motives. I'll fight for a woman's right to choose elsewhere, and without the kind assistance of anti-choice Republicans. (Thanks for the offer, though. 'Ppreciate it.) Chanology is not a microcosm of anything. I don't want to see this particular, specific, Planned Parenthood- related good idea go by the wayside because anti-choice Anons want to co-opt us and clog up this thread with their fantasies about Sarah Palin and blue-and-white clad nuns. YUCK.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. As someone who was forced to get an abortion while in the SO, I think having some kind of flyer or pamphlets at the place would be perfect. Planned Parenthood doesn't perform abortions from what I know, that is where a lot of SO members go for birth control though. I know that I went there on more than one occasion, so it would be worthwhile to have flyers there too. The place where I went (and many others that I know of, including at least one friend of mine that was at Gold) was Family Planning Associates in Glendale. I am pretty sure that this is the one that I went to: GLENDALE 372 W. Arden Ave., #200 & 202 Glendale, CA 91203 (818) 502-1341 It's either that one or this one: MID-WILSHIRE 601 S. Westmoreland Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90005 (213) 738-7283 It's pathetic that I don't know, but when you are in the SO, you don't really drive around LA very much... Having info at both would be wise anyway.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Sorry, but you're misinformed. Planned Parenthood performs abortions. I've had one at the Riverside facility. Forgive me if I question, but why Glendale of all places? There are two FPA offices (one in Riverside, one in San Bernardino) that are at least half of the distance that it would take to get from Hemet to Glendale. Hemet to Glendale would easily be over an hour's drive, whereas Hemet to Riverside or the SB office would be maybe 20-30 minutes. There's also at least three Planned Parenthood offices in that area of Riverside County (one in High Desert, one in Moreno Valley, one in downtown Riverside) that perform abortion services. It would seem that hoofing it all the way to San Gabriel Valley would be not only extremely time consuming, but costly.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. That's why I said from what I know, the one on Vermont (that was listed in a pp) doesn't perform abortions there. That is where a lot of the SO members from both the Complex and the HGB went for bc though. I have no idea why people from Hemet went to the one in Glendale, other than like BFG said at one point, they stopped going to one in Riverside as there were so many being done it became suspicious. I worked at the HGB. The one in Glendale was close.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. No worries, thanks for sharing. The distance thing just made my head explode a little.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. What? No. moarxenu is capable of helping with this. Why do you stall at the idea to inform both sides about an issue - coerced abortions - which should be important both to pro-life and pro-choice activists and to everyone else as well. The idea wasn't to have nuns outside Planned Parenthood. It was to inform them of the coerced abortions in the Sea Org so they could protest THAT. At least that's what I got out of moarxenu's post. tl;dr: GTFI
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. I think that it was probably considered "close" as there are three trips a day from Hemet to LA by the External Communications department. So all one would have to do is hop on the "run" go to LA and then get to Glendale.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. tinfoil alert i know nothing of Planned Parenthood, save what i saw in "Endgame" essentially made them out to be the seeds of our destruction, pun intended. am i taking Jones too seriously?
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Thank you! Input from someone who has experienced it really really helps. Still at work, checking these on the fly so I'll get back with a better response shortly.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. I said nothing about the location of the nuns or Gov. Palin. I also believe moarxenu meant they'd be standing outside the orgs. I was merely commenting on the disgust factor of any fantasies involving that combination of players standing (or sitting or lying) anywhere on earth. I'm still mopping up my lunch. Well, it's never happened on these boards before, Vir, but what I think we have here is a disagreement. I do not believe anti-choice activists have anything to contribute to any activity meant to use Planned Parenthood to help women who are in an illegal situation. Their assistance will always be tainted by their larger goal of making all abortions illegal. This is precisely the reason I don't see them as allies in any part of the fight against coerced abortion, a practice I personally abhor. I haven't stalled anywhere. I want to force Scn to obey the laws we already have against forced abortion. Anti-choice activists want to expand the law to make all abortion illegal. These are 2 different battles, fought by 2 different militias. It fascinates me that people try to claim the moral high ground yet don't balk at masquerading as "pro-woman" (or anti-Scientology) when it serves the interests of their hidebound agenda. Fuck that attitude, I say.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Actually, you are on to something here. One of the problems with offering help is that we need to have actual help to offer. I am not so sure the XSEAORG number is the answer, however... Catholic Charities is a wonderful organization that will help women who do not want to abort and have no place to go. In my experience with them, they offer places to stay and even half way houses for women who are in trouble and have no place to go and do so without pushing any agenda. I am not Catholic, but I have a tremendous respect for these people. They put their money where their mouth is and with no strings attached. They may be willing to provide real time emergency help to Sea Org women, no hail Mary's required. Moarxenu, do you have any contacts with Catholic Charities? Remember folks, this isn't about politics or personal feelings, I'm looking for solutions for women who feel they have none. It doesn't matter what group gives the help, only that women in a terrible situation have a choice, and real help if they need it.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. I'm all for Catholics Charities helping women who do not want to abort. That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. It's the anti-choice helping Planned Parenthood that I distrust.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. It doesn't matter, they don't have the resources to help the women, that isn't what their agenda is, so they aren't really an option. Going to research a little to see if there are any other groups set up to help women in need like that, but for now I really think Catholic Charities is a good choice. Okay, how do we make this happen?
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Honestly, I think the only way to go about something like this is get approval to put a flier or something like that in the place. When an SO member goes there it isn't like they say "oh I'm a Scientologist and work for the Sea Org". The people at the front desk aren't going to know jack. You go in "civvies", you fill out the forms and go and do it. The subject of Scn doesn't come up. The only indication that the person is an SO member is going to be their address. But HIPPA laws are going to prevent that information from being correlated in any fashion. And that should be the case. There are notice boards and such from what I remember, it may or may not end up being seen by an SO member but having it there could help. Maybe the spouse, or the person that goes to the clinic with the girl will read it, even if it doesn't prevent that one abortion from happening. My 2 cents.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Is there more than one visit normally? Like one to confirm pregnancy and set up the procedure, then the actual procedure or do they make the appointment by phone and only get off base for that one time?
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. There are two visits, one to do the abortion and then one 2 weeks later for a follow up. It's two different parts of the building too. From what I know they do abortions on two days a week (at least at the place I went to). Wednesdays and Saturdays or something like that. I know Sat was one of the days. They confirm the pregnancy at the actual abortion appt (ie. you do a pee test and get an ultrasound right before the procedure).
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Hmm, that makes it tricky. But not impossible. Do the women on base go for yearly check up or birth control visits? Nvm, obviously not. I think a flyer is in order.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. The planned parenthood on Vermont is a place that women at both the HGB and Complex go to for check ups and birth control. Between there, Shaw Health Center and another Scilon Dr that is also on Vermont (her name escapes me right now). PP is the cheapest obviously as you can pretty much get the exam and bc for free. I suggest flyers for both the Family Planning facilities and for the PPs as both are frequented by SO members. Not sure where the women in Hemet go for their check ups and bc but likely the pp is one place.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Totally awesome to hear from you dt2000. With pro-lifers and pro-choicers on this case we are sure to hasten the downfall of the Miscavige regime.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. +1 Also, who would have thought that an internet thread involving abortion would collapse into overwrought pontificating?
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Depends on the place, and on the procedure. If you go into Planned Parenthood for a pregnancy test, you make an appointment to come back for the actual procedure. I can't speak for what happens if you have already confirmed that you are pregnant. If it's a "medical abortion" (meaning within 6 weeks of pregnancy, non-surgical), you come in for blood work, a sonogram, and you are given an injection and are sent home. A week later, at home, you take another medication to actually induce the miscarriage. After that, you usually have a follow up visit to ensure that it's finished and that you're intact. If it's a surgical abortion, the whole procedure is done that day (obviously), barring any follow ups. Family Planning Associates is pretty much the same, though I only know of their medical abortion procedure. Bloodwork, sonogram and injection, second medication later, follow up. However, the follow ups aren't mandatory and if you skip out on them they pretty much don't try too hard to contact you. Hope any of that helps.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Zonker, I'm looking forward to hearing about the results, but if telling too much about it would jeopardize the initiative, I think we all agree that it's better to keep it on a need to know. Try not to be so narrow minded. People who disagree about things can work together sometimes, and even those who can't, can both work towards the same goal independently. This is not a masquerade. People are "anti-Scientology" for a set of reasons, and their abuse of women is one of those. I'm pro human rights, pro woman, pro free speech. Tell me how that isn't compatible with fighting Scientology abuses. Point is both sides of the abortion controversy should be outraged by coerced abortions. Well good. Some of the pro-choice and pro-life people may be able to work together, but for all those who don't they can just attack the same "target" without having to work together. Perhaps it could be a learning experience for them too?
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. As long as the PL REP agenda doesn't get in the way of staying on target, which is informing PP about the coerced ab's AND providing info to them and $ci's going to these places for these procedures, why couldn't he/she help?
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. ok ok, fine, no prank calls....moralfags everywhere..... since they go in civvies they wouldnt know anyway so prank wouldn't work. But HIPAA will deff stop them from telling anyone here shit about whos getting what done. So agreed that asking to be able to put up fliers would be the best route in the hot areas. Thank you dt2000 for your input on how Scilons do it. You wouldn't have any further knowledge on where they go in Flag for this would you?
I've already made this point above. chrisanon has gracefully taken his politics to personal messages. I guess we could start a separate thread in the dome if people feel like debating abortions. By the way, I just did a google search for coerced abortions. Two of the first ten links are about Scientology. (results may vary on your location)
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. You do realize that would just turn into a series of abortion jokes and pictures of aborted fetuses, right? Actually, that might not be too bad of a thread.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. Because I don't trust someone who's anti-choice to deal honorably with Planned Parenthood. moarxenu believes in coercion; he would coerce women to give space in their bodies to unwanted fetuses. So he clearly has no problems with coercion, just issues with medical procedures. I oppose coercing women to continue or to terminate a pregnancy. If moarxenu can help women who have already decided not to have abortions, great. This thread was not initially about those women, it was about working with Planned Parenthood. Second, anyone who thinks that Sarah "I believe abstinence works, too bad my daughter doesn't" Palin is going to open the way to the abortion-free millennium is laughably misguided. Third, the goal of ending forced/coerced abortion is separate from and unrelated to the "goal" of ending all abortions. I support a woman's right to choose abortion. moarxenu doesn't. He's using the goal of ending forced abortion as his way in to ending all abortion. That is an immoral goal, and for that reason, I don't support it. BTW, (since people have mentioned this) I have no problem with moarxenu whatsoever. He seems like a fine fellow, and I'm glad he's working to end Scn. I'm sad he's working to end abortion, but that's his right, and I'll beat him on that in other arenas. I just don't want him to try to advance that agenda while claiming he wants to help all SeaOrg women. He has nothing to offer women who want abortions.
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. So, is anyone helping to put together a flyer - given that Zonker initially indicated she needed help in the design area?
Re: Planned Parenthood Riverside Co. My design skills are pretty lousy, but I think the info is more important than how good these flyers look. Pretty heretical to say about something that's going to be distributed in SoCal, but I think it's true. I'd love to help; this is a great project. It would still be nice to have a real designer-type, and we'll need someone who lives in the area and could get the flyers to the clinics.
