Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by oooo000, Feb 28, 2021.

  1. Gnome Chomsky Member

    The industry I work in is constantly in a state of reappraisal we're always looking at methods to improve our processes whether it's being greener, more productive or whatever, you get me on that.

    Why not spend the time saving the planet and working on a greener alternative instead of wasting time on R&D on robot technology where the ultimate goal is to have the robots literally work the world.
    It won't end well for us humans.
  2. oooo000 Member

    You're right in that it will not end well if those in control are primarily concerned with the extraction of profit. Post-work will not benefit society much unless the economy moves toward post-scarcity in tandem.

    If you truly enjoy the work you do, you'd do it without getting paid. Nothing wrong with that unless what you do is harmful to others. In a post-work world you'll be free to work as much as you desire. You just will not be forced to work in order to survive and thrive.

    Here, it sure is about saving the planet; it also is about saving everyone and everything on the planet from exploitation. And it's about shifting society from the dysfunctional factory it is now to a space where anyone, no matter what they do, will be able to live life the way they enjoy living it.
  3. Gnome Chomsky Member

    It's all a bit pie in the sky and I can't be arsed giving it any more consideration life's too short.
  4. oooo000 Member

    Implementing anything new sure is for the few who believe the effort is worthwhile. Here, the effort is not trying to convince anyone who will follow later, but sharing information with those among us who will lead.
  5. oooo000 Member

  6. oooo000 Member

    The refusal of work "is directed not to this or to that job, but to the larger system of economic cooperation that is designed to produce capital accumulation for the few and waged work that is supposed to support the rest of us." (

    — Kathi Weeks, author of The Problem With Work: Feminism, Marxism, Antiwork Politics, and Postwork Imaginaries. (
  7. oooo000 Member

  8. oooo000 Member

    "The subreddit is antiwork, not reformwork. We're not liberals, a capitalist ideology. We're leftists, anti-capitalists, and we want to abolish all work.

    Reforming a broken system still gives a broken system.
    Unemployment, poverty, famine... They're all part of capitalism by design.

    We want to abolish work and capitalism. Not reform them. We're leftists.
    We're not liberals. We're anarchists, Marxists, Trotskists, all flavours of the left, and this is our subreddit. We've never been interested in capitalism and will never be.

    We're into crushing it, abolishing it. Liberalism is a capitalist ideology and we're not tolerating it. So if you're anywhere right of abolishing capitalism, Fuck off."
  9. oooo000 Member

  10. oooo000 Member


    "In response to capitalism specifically, ideas about refusing work developed out of Marxism in the late 1880s. In 1883, Karl Marx’s son-in-law Paul LaFargue, a French-Cuban revolutionary, wrote The Right to Be Lazy, a critique of socialist ideas about work. 'Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy,' the book opens. Lafargue argues against the socialist push to expand or redeem wage labor through public ownership, and says we should abolish work altogether.

    A similar ideology resurfaced again in the 1980s, with the anarchist Bob Black’s popular essay 'The Abolition of Work,' which argues that the abolition of work is just as critical as the abolition of the state. Critical of the Marxist tendency to valorize work, Black argues that in order for humans to be free, they must reclaim time from their jobs and employment, and return to necessary tasks of subsistence, which can be done voluntarily in the form of play and games, in an approach referred to as 'ludic.' Black’s essay has inspired cyberpunk science fiction.

    Today, academics and activists have continued to theorize and organize for a work-free society, namely by pushing for universal basic income and shorter work weeks. Kathi Weeks, a professor of gender and feminist studies at Duke University, is one of several academics currently pushing for radical reassessment of the status of work receives in the wealthy countries. In her book The Problem With Work, Weeks questions why there has been so little resistance and scrutiny to our 'willingness to live for work' and fundamentally capitalist purposes."

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