R2-45 on Wikipedia Attacked By Scientology Asshole

Discussion in 'Scientology and Anonymous' started by DamOTclese, May 25, 2016.

  1. DamOTclese Member

    The Wikipedia page covering Scientology's "R2-45" policy dictated by Hubbard in policy letter and mentioned in audio recordings is under attack by the Scientology organization. One of their assholes has been attacking the page for a couple of weeks now trying to get the page removed, pretending he's a "Wikilawyer" and pulling the usual "Dev-T" to try to pretend that editors are engaged in "edit warring" when he's the sole problem asshole.

    If you're an editor, please check in to the Talk: Page and comment on the asshole.
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  2. The neutrality of this article is disputed. (May 2016)
    This article's factual accuracy is disputed. (May 2016)
    This article relies too much on references to primary sources. (May 2016)

    So those are the complaints against the entry, visible at the top of the page.

    And I can understand the first 2, but why on earth would Wikipedia classify it as a flaggable problem that an article relies too much on references to primary sources?
  3. fishypants Moderator


    See also:

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  4. JohnnyRUClear Member

    A Scientologist raised this objection?

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  5. Random guy Member

    A primary source does not necessarily reflect the consensus of the relevant community. Look at vaccines for instance. I could use a selection of primary sources (research articles) to document that there are major health problems with vaccines. If I on the other hand rely on secondary sources (review articles, university level textbooks), it will become clear the problems the articles are mentioning are really minor in the grand schemes of things. This is why secondary sources are preferred over primary.

    Did that make sense?

    The user who flagged the article is doing it disingenuously though. Primary sources can be used, as long as they are directly attributed to the writer, and not presented as reflecting consensus. You can quote Wakefield to document what he has to say about vaccines and autism, but you can't use him to document the veracity of his claims, for that you need a review article or textbook. In the R2-45 article, Hubbard is used to document what he actually said, which is how primary sources should be used. The user who complained is trying to get the article yanked on technicalities.
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  6. ArnieLerma Member

    "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." -- George Orwell, 1984


    Hope this helps,

    Arnie Lerma
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  7. The document on the left is completely unreadable.
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  9. It's a real pleasure to see Arnie Lerma posting here.

    We do not forget, Arnie.
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  10. Quentinanon Member

    I wonder if the editor who is bitching about this article Sfarney is the Lynn Farney of OSA int internet activism infamy. Has to get those PR stats up.
    That user's talk page on WP shows a great deal of scientology-related discussions and also uses the name "Slade Farney".
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  11. DeathHamster Member

    I suspect Laval is the latest incarnation of a string of identities, possibly going back to Jossi, probably ResidentAnthropologist, and a number more.

    That's just a general impression rather than a detailed style analysis.
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  12. DeathHamster Member

    There seems to be some spelling confusion between Lynn Farny and Lynn Farney.

    Lynn R. Farny keeps the books for CSI. Same person as Lynn Farney?

    Easter Sunday Funnies: David Miscavige has risen, & Scientology has more money than ever! April 20, 2014, Tony Ortega, Underground Bunker
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  13. Quentinanon Member

    Possibly different spellings used in error or for scienobfuscation.
    Arnie knows this creep pretty well.
    BTW, in scientology, keeps = cooks
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  14. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Cook Scientology Working? SMH
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  19. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Persistent scilon is persistent?
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  21. DeathHamster Member

    I would have thought Lynn R. Farny, tasked with handling the Internet would be focused on that, without time for Holocaust Denial.

    And now Laval seems to be calling it quits for health reasons.

    I expect that some existing editor with a uncontroversial history of editing will suddenly veer into Scientology.
  22. Quentinanon Member

    Laval alludes that he is "going PTS" to Wikipedia "SPs":
    "They've bullied me out of Wikipedia. My health and sanity is more important than trying to achieve NPOV here."
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  24. DeathHamster Member

    They keep tossing Single Purpose Account around, but I've yet to see any Wikipedia policy concerning it.

    It's usually made by what I call Wiki Factory Accounts, who do 100+ edits a day, every day, on apparently unrelated articles. That doesn't seem like normal editing behavior.
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  26. fishypants Moderator

    X-Ref from 2013:

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  28. Random guy Member

    A problem is the source has dried up, so it's hard to conform. Has he talked about PIs and dissconnection in other public media?
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  29. DeathHamster Member


    Editor Scottperry seems to feel that the press are unfairly beating on poor Scientology.

    Response from Sfarney:
    Does Sfarney think his topic-block will expire soon?

  30. Incredulicide Member

    I'll be back soon(ish) from the RPF.

    Fixed that for him.
  31. DeathHamster Member

    Laval seems to have stopped editing. Last edit June 7th.

    I'm sure someone will step into his role. Someone always does.

    Perhaps Scottperry with his "How to stop the drum beat of the negativity of the press towards Scientology"? Funny, I didn't know it was the job of Wikipedia editors to do that.
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  33. DeathHamster Member

    Laval's "health concerns" now extend to raging butt-hurt over over this thread:

    I doubt that anyone here rushed over to Wikipedia edit-war over R2-45. I certainly didn't, as I'm far too busy with my own projects.

    Category:Scientology organization

    What we do here is watch and comment on the goings on at Wikipedia, exactly in the same way that sites like Wikipedia Review does. (But without the flaming hypocrisy.)

    Oh noes, "use of foul language" upsets Laval! (Pro-tip: The WP:NPA rule doesn't extend to WWP.)


    "I've activated the email, so you should be able to send me a direct message."

    So now Laval and Sfarney are taking their plotting off-Wikipedia because they know that people are watching. :p

    Sfarney's unbalanced plea to ArbCom:

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  34. Random guy Member

    Problems as always is Wikipedia needs reliable sources discussing the source material, not the source material itself.
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  35. It is not unlike Jenna Elfman distancing herself from the Aids comment. As soon as the original on wich she was quoted site dropped of the web she made a statement it never happened.
  36. Random guy Member

    Quite. I'd hoped someone would have saved the page
  37. DeathHamster Member

    After his last and final word, sfarney continues to "and another thing" to the ArbCom...

    I don't know if he really believes that there is a pool of meat-puppet zombies here, or if he's only saying that so that he doesn't have to go back to plink-editing element articles for a year.

    Hey, ArbCom (blows raspberries!) I don't know about anyone else here, but I really do have better things to do, and I don't need Wikipedia to do it:

    Category:Religious Freedom Restoration Act

    I do pop into Wikipedia frequently for a look, because I do have a lot of sister links from my site.

    Seriously sfarney, if you think the ArbCom is being arbitrary, grow a pair and leave. Many have. (No, I don't need any element articles, sorry.)

    Oh yes, and another thing: Category:R2-45
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  38. RavenEyes Member

    This thread needs to be somewhere in the Scientology section, not General Discussion. Reported so a mod can move it.

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